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Post by week5of35years on Nov 28, 2023 9:36:11 GMT -5
yes she rolled onto her side and I just stoked cheeks, closest sensation to actual sex I have found, but still not good for the future me..... that is what I had termed "shagging her bum" i.e. lots of rubbing, not anal... it is a regression and it caused some heated discussions last night... This sounds like a recipe for frustration. My wife has told me that she's only open to limited touching including massage, but nothing beyond that. I have not initiated since she told me that, knowing it will likely result in me going downstairs to take care of myself and just being more depressed. Dry humping with no penetration possible sounds even more frustrating. It can be, but certainly not dry.... lots of lube of one sort or another.... depending on the feeling.... @the Talk I told my W what I wanted with time scales and its been a roller coaster since then, but she has explored more and done more and expressed more in a couple of months than basically ever.... I have been surprised by what she actually likes and one thing is for sure I must not assume I know what she thinks/feels/wants... that is a car crash that has governed my past for too, too long, many many years, and I have had enough.... I keep telling her I am not going to die having never had a fuck in the shower (insert preference).... full stop.... If that is not making things clear about what will she expects to see on my "to Do" list about variety this week then I will be reaching.... I am going to use the Sex Geek list FYI |
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Post by week5of35years on Nov 28, 2023 9:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by week5of35years on Nov 29, 2023 6:11:30 GMT -5
Monday 27th Nov - unpacking my shit.... (this one is dedicated to isthisit because she knows the truth)Ok, so I have asked her not to fill any YES/NO/MAYBE tick list stuff out yet because of basically what happened on Monday night.... We had a great discussion Mon AM and lined up what we wanted to do, I sent her pics of good positions to try, she agreed lingerie and trying a blow up pillow we got.....we started well and had great foreplay, but we crashed on the anal.... and after feeling bad about our conversation on Tue 1am and how supportive she was, all day yesterday I felt bad but unsettled and I now realise why... She gaslighted me... when I asked her to flip over after foreplay (we had already agreed earlier in the day she would not want intercourse, but we would try anal) she went "starfish" in a prone position where anal could not/would not happen, she offered me the opp. to shag her arse after I gave up, which was regressive and then she let me watch her play with herself to cum. She was on script until that point and then acted as if we had not communicated and agreed what we would be trying when we spoke earlier in the day... Later when we discussed at 1am that I was not happy with us going backwards/regressing she said I had asked to shag her bum earlier in the day, basically that everything had gone exactly as we had agreed.... that's not what I had recollected we said but I went with it as my comms has been poor in the past if I am honest.. But yesterday I looked at what we sent each other on Monday and I have decided we HAD agreed to try anal, and not even discussed shagging her bum at all.....holy shit, I realised last night late, basically she had made the decision at some point that day that we were not going to try anal regardless of anything else and then instead of telling me that and saying "sorry, not tonight babe, what else shall we try....", she instead decided to play along, sabotage our session and then compound that by gaslighting me about the conversations we had had earlier in the day... basically turning it all round and saying "oh... you feel bad... your paranoia, your problem..." This shit is the consequence of her not wanting to say she did not want to try out a sex act/position and created 2 days of angst and emotion for me and all because she is just pathologically unable to say "sorry" - the convo would have been “Sorry babe, anal’s not going to happen tonight how about xyz?” on Monday. She could have said that at any time, before we started having sex, during, or after when I was annoyed and feeling angry sat on the sofa downstairs at 1am, but she kept up the fucking LIE just to validate her point of view and not admit that either she just did not fancy it or, as I believe, because she has this thing about not ever saying sorry...... So what the hell chance do we have if, after she would have completed a tick list tomorrow asking what kind of sex and kinks she is or maybe into.... it will, or could all be just lies and a whole load of old horse shit and end up a complete disaster of miss-set expectations leading to more frustration and lies... I am absolutely fucking furious, and I have told her we need to have a sit down tonight and close down Monday night as its cast a bit of a shadow these last few days.........
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Post by worksforme2 on Nov 29, 2023 7:32:31 GMT -5
week5of35years,...having anal sex with your W is clearly pretty high on your wish list of things you would like to do with your W. Like isthisit, I am not so sure she is keen to have a go at it. Communication seems to be somewhat poor between you two. You say in the past you have been somewhat less than clear, but you were clear about Monday night. To be specific, did you specifically state you wanted to have your penis inside her rectum, that you wanted to ejackulate in her ass and not on it? How is it that the pillow purchased specifically for engaging in anal never found its way into the picture? She could not have been in a starfish position if her backdoor had been raised in the air. Or why didn't you ask her to move into the doggie position, again putting her backdoor at the right height and position for you to enter her?
Anal sex is such a simple thing it is difficult for me to understand how the 2 of you cannot know definitively that it is happening. Either your penis is in her rectum or it isn't.
One other thought. Next time(if there is a next time) you have agreed to have anal try being on your back with her straddling you in the cowgirl position. Have her line up your penis with her anus and lower herself onto you. She will be in control of how fast and how deep the penetration happens(or not). Put her in charge of making it happen. If she doesn't want to try this (or the doggie position) you will know definitively she is not interested and has no intention of engaging in anal sex with you.
And let me be clear, it is her right to decline anal sex if she so chooses. Some women simply do not like anal sex or they fear it. But she should say so and not keep dangling the prospect and then denying you.
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Post by week5of35years on Nov 29, 2023 7:42:08 GMT -5
week5of35years,...having anal sex with your W is clearly pretty high on your wish list of things you would like to do with your W. Like isthisit, I am not so sure she is keen to have a go at it. Communication seems to be somewhat poor between you two. You say in the past you have been somewhat less than clear, but you were clear about Monday night. To be specific, did you specifically state you wanted to have your penis inside her rectum, that you wanted to ejackulate in her ass and not on it? How is it that the pillow purchased specifically for engaging in anal never found its way into the picture? She could not have been in a starfish position if her backdoor had been raised in the air. Or why didn't you ask her to move into the doggie position, again putting her backdoor at the right height and position for you to enter her? Anal sex is such a simple thing it is difficult for me to understand how the 2 of you cannot know definitively that it is happening. Either your penis is in her rectum or it isn't. One other thought. Next time(if there is a next time) you have agreed to have anal try being on your back with her straddling you in the cowgirl position. Have her line up your penis with her anus and lower herself onto you. She will be in control of how fast and how deep the penetration happens(or not). Put her in charge of making it happen. If she doesn't want to try this (or the doggie position) you will know definitively she is not interested and has no intention of engaging in anal sex with you. And let me be clear, it is her right to decline anal sex if she so chooses. Some women simply do not like anal sex or they fear it. But she should say so and not keep dangling the prospect and then denying you. totally agree with these points.... BTW the cushion did not play a part she lay prone and starfished when she could have just said.... not tonight... My issue here is not the act.... it would have been fine by me for her to say no at any point and that is what she should do if she is uncomfortable or does not want something, I have said that to her many times in the last 2 mths. She played along then lied and then gaslighted me.... what for? to placate me and make me feel better? well it hasn't and where the heck does that leave future comms when I have first hand knowledge she will say OK but she is thinking "no way, lets just lie" |
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Post by miestas on Nov 29, 2023 14:39:40 GMT -5
I have found, from years of experience, that you can never change a person from who they are. Leopards don’t change their spots, the scorpion stung the frog in the middle of the river, the snake bit the man who pulled it out if the snow, and all that. So, after the anger goes away, you have to start accepting the fact that you are the problem because you expected the other person to act against their nature. You know your wife lies and then tries to avoid admitting it by saying that your conversation never happened or she doesn’t remember or you didn’t say what you thought you did. I think you are going to have to either record your conversations or write out contracts and have her sign them after reading them back to you. I realize that sounds extreme, but it would appear to be necessary to avoid your feelings of frustration and anger.
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Post by week5of35years on Nov 30, 2023 4:21:53 GMT -5
I have found, from years of experience, that you can never change a person from who they are. Leopards don’t change their spots, the scorpion stung the frog in the middle of the river, the snake bit the man who pulled it out if the snow, and all that. So, after the anger goes away, you have to start accepting the fact that you are the problem because you expected the other person to act against their nature. You know your wife lies and then tries to avoid admitting it by saying that your conversation never happened or she doesn’t remember or you didn’t say what you thought you did. I think you are going to have to either record your conversations or write out contracts and have her sign them after reading them back to you. I realize that sounds extreme, but it would appear to be necessary to avoid your feelings of frustration and anger. Thanks miestas and worksforme2 I think you are both correct, I know this and she keeps validating this is the situation, I think doing as worksforme2 advised and actually checking right up to the act that "this is what I am intending to do" (paraphrase) and also checking in to make sure we have both been heard but more importantly understood what both of us are agreeing to is mega essential. We talked last night, she is adamant that we did not have a conversation that used the word "anal" I was adamant we did because I made a conscious effort to use the actual words to avoid any ambiguity or childishness and then sent her links to a sex position website and said I thought two of the positions would be perfect... but we agreed we did not agree and talked about how we can make sure we are not in the same position again. One new thing I learnt, for her each interaction (conversation, suggestion, touch etc etc.) we have during a day/few days are all totally independent events and do not add up to a sexy mood or an understanding about leading to sex or a certain act. She said she thought the links to the sex positions was because we had talked about using various positions a couple of weeks ago.... totally not connected to the conversation we had had 2 hrs before in her mind.... she said I would get no clue to how she was feeling and whether she was going to be open to intimacy until I actually tried, in the evening or what ever, and that any events during the day for example, did not have any bearing on how willing she would be when we got into bed that same night.. I explained for me, in line with my libido growing over the course of the days, every event is a chain leading somewhere in my mind.... her being responsive to a touch or a exceptionally passionate kiss in the AM was a link in a chain that led to great sex that evening....... nah... not the way it works for me she tells me... so I asked her to bear that in mind, as if she gave the impression (to me) she was keen during the day, and then rejected by the evening, I would not be happy at all. To get over that we agreed to talk at bedtime about what would be ok that night to be clear about stuff, no matter how un sexy it felt and do it before any petting started. I am ok and we again got better guidelines established which is good, but I am a bit sad that it sounds like "anticipation" of us having sex in general is not really going to be a thing in our relationship...... I will explore that with W as again I may be applying what she said about daily interactions too broadly, if the scenario was a planned event we both agreed on and could look forward to maybe it would be different.... |
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Post by mirrororchid on Nov 30, 2023 6:49:24 GMT -5
totally agree with these points.... BTW the cushion did not play a part she lay prone and starfished when she could have just said.... not tonight... My issue here is not the act.... it would have been fine by me for her to say no at any point and that is what she should do if she is uncomfortable or does not want something, I have said that to her many times in the last 2 mths. She played along then lied and then gaslighted me.... what for? to placate me and make me feel better? well it hasn't and where the heck does that leave future comms when I have first hand knowledge she will say OK but she is thinking "no way, lets just lie" I'd like to hear you explain your position factually, absent what seems like rage. I think she screwed up. You've started with straightforward communication because you'd been planning and thinking for years. She's a rookie. She's new at this, and she fell back on old habits. This is almost predictable. She's been "letting you down easy" because it's a learned habit that used to serve her. It still did, and you're upset. Let me ask whether you'd be willing to let that pass as a mistake. A frightened retreat to comfortable territory when something scary was in front of her. She agreed to scary sex acts. She didn't want to lie, or disappoint, so she contorted her actions to feign compliance with teh plan because she felt it was the right thing to do, to do what she didn't want at that moment. You seem to have found a style that allows her to explore dangerous/scary/taboo sex. You push her to do things she's curious about and she need not express interest and embarrass herself by violating puritanical rules that make her a "bad girl". It's okay if you wanted it and she gave in. Not okay if she wanted anal sex. She may want it some day and last night wasn't it. She thought it was, but she was wrong. Then the old shagging the arse replacement became a "consolation prize" that she may have thought would soothe the situation? She may have had no ill intent, she may feel crummy about switching plans too. Never saying "Sorry" may be a function of shame, not pride or secret manipulation. Admitting a mistake or error of judgement is painful for some people. I know too well. I'm terrible at apologies. It's a humiliating character flaw so the mistake is embarrassing, the inability to atone properly adds another layer of shame. It can be bad on teh other side too, as unsympathetic as it may be. You expect shame for this behavior? It may already be there. Instead, maybe just correct teh behavior and do not delve too deeply into motives. Make it easy to be sorry? Perhaps it'll be verbally expressed some of teh time. Not sure how one handles contrition as the dom personality you're adopting. Others may have direct experience. That said, she may have been deceptive, but perhaps a good course is to take it at face value, and correct her behavior like the dom role you're exploring? (Other may have a better feel for this unspoken dom/sub dynamic) My impression is that anger is a show of uncertainty and weakness in a dom. You'll want to enlist more cerebral, stoic behavior/reactions to steer her towards what she wants but is scared of. Or I'm wrong and more sexually divergent ILIASM members than me can do a better job. What I learn of such alternate sexual behavior comes form podcasts about polyamory, which bleeds over a lot into these alternatives. If you break one Christian puritanical taboo, the others become dominos of varying precarious orientation. Your next message sounds like you may be doing much or what I suggest, so please forgive any equine corpse bludgeoning. The claim that behavior during the day does not affect how she feels in teh evening is in direct contrast to much marriage reignition advice I've read/heard. (Dr PsychMom, PsycHacks, etc.) Intriguing. So what does trigger a yes, no, or maybe persuaded to yes. What signs might there be? "Tells" so to speak. Ones she may not even know exist. |
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Post by mirrororchid on Nov 30, 2023 7:12:41 GMT -5
I am going with these 2 .... BexCaputoYesNoMaybe.pdf (926.72 KB) yes_no_maybe_checklist 3.pdf (236.72 KB) An idea I had concerning these lists could dovetail with her hesitance to allow things that she wants to try but is afraid to refuse or is not in the right headspace to try on a particular night. I envisioned making these types of lists into a Google Form couples can fill out. These forms fill in a spreadsheet of the activities in these lists. The spreadsheet can then present all eligible activities that have Yes/Yes, Yes/Maybe, and Maybe/Maybe combinations and returns it to the couple. Neither knowing which are "Yes" and which are "Maybe" until someone asks. The other way I had in mind is the spreadsheet spits out a random set of five possible activities, four from the accepted categories, one that occasionally contains a "No". An algorithm uses low probabilities for No, higher for maybe, highest for "Yes" This allows the couple to change their minds about things later on. It can also introduce an opportunity to refuse a "Maybe" and have the random "No" to blame. You should expect "No" to be a valid response at least some of the time and no one is to blame. In this case, neither knows who is okay with what, but 80% of the time, it'll be okay at some point, and asking for something from the five act list cannot be seen as "badgering." It's on the list. So ask if it sounds good. "No" can mean, "Not tonight" Just kicking ideas around. |
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Post by week5of35years on Nov 30, 2023 8:31:36 GMT -5
totally agree with these points.... BTW the cushion did not play a part she lay prone and starfished when she could have just said.... not tonight... My issue here is not the act.... it would have been fine by me for her to say no at any point and that is what she should do if she is uncomfortable or does not want something, I have said that to her many times in the last 2 mths. She played along then lied and then gaslighted me.... what for? to placate me and make me feel better? well it hasn't and where the heck does that leave future comms when I have first hand knowledge she will say OK but she is thinking "no way, lets just lie" I'd like to hear you explain your position factually, absent what seems like rage. I think she screwed up. You've started with straightforward communication because you'd been planning and thinking for years. She's a rookie. She's new at this, and she fell back on old habits. This is almost predictable. She's been "letting you down easy" because it's a learned habit that used to serve her. It still did, and you're upset. Let me ask whether you'd be willing to let that pass as a mistake. A frightened retreat to comfortable territory when something scary was in front of her. She agreed to scary sex acts. She didn't want to lie, or disappoint, so she contorted her actions to feign compliance with teh plan because she felt it was the right thing to do, to do what she didn't want at that moment. You seem to have found a style that allows her to explore dangerous/scary/taboo sex. You push her to do things she's curious about and she need not express interest and embarrass herself by violating puritanical rules that make her a "bad girl". It's okay if you wanted it and she gave in. Not okay if she wanted anal sex. She may want it some day and last night wasn't it. She thought it was, but she was wrong. Then the old shagging the arse replacement became a "consolation prize" that she may have thought would soothe the situation? She may have had no ill intent, she may feel crummy about switching plans too. Never saying "Sorry" may be a function of shame, not pride or secret manipulation. Admitting a mistake or error of judgement is painful for some people. I know too well. I'm terrible at apologies. It's a humiliating character flaw so the mistake is embarrassing, the inability to atone properly adds another layer of shame. It can be bad on teh other side too, as unsympathetic as it may be. You expect shame for this behavior? It may already be there. Instead, maybe just correct teh behavior and do not delve too deeply into motives. Make it easy to be sorry? Perhaps it'll be verbally expressed some of teh time. Not sure how one handles contrition as the dom personality you're adopting. Others may have direct experience. That said, she may have been deceptive, but perhaps a good course is to take it at face value, and correct her behavior like the dom role you're exploring? (Other may have a better feel for this unspoken dom/sub dynamic) My impression is that anger is a show of uncertainty and weakness in a dom. You'll want to enlist more cerebral, stoic behavior/reactions to steer her towards what she wants but is scared of. Or I'm wrong and more sexually divergent ILIASM members than me can do a better job. What I learn of such alternate sexual behavior comes form podcasts about polyamory, which bleeds over a lot into these alternatives. If you break one Christian puritanical taboo, the others become dominos of varying precarious orientation. Your next message sounds like you may be doing much or what I suggest, so please forgive any equine corpse bludgeoning. The claim that behavior during the day does not affect how she feels in teh evening is in direct contrast to much marriage reignition advice I've read/heard. (Dr PsychMom, PsycHacks, etc.) Intriguing. So what does trigger a yes, no, or maybe persuaded to yes. What signs might there be? "Tells" so to speak. Ones she may not even know exist. I let it pass and dropped all the anger and just focussed on hearing her viewpoint and making sure she heard mine also.. and then working out how we can make sure it does not happen again... as per the note above... I focussed on my main issue looking forward, being that when we complete the tick lists to be sure that what she says is actually the truth.... I told her it could be a relationship train crash if the responses were not truthful, but that she could always change her mind at anytime, just by telling me....She said they would be for sure.... but as with a lot of things sexual (I read) the "truth" may be different depending on the time of the day/month/level of stimulation etc. I asked her today, that if all my approaches and suggestions during a given day are just "islands" of disconnected activity then, a) how do I influence her feeling in the mood at all? and b) does that mean any attempt at for example sexting, are pointless or worse, counter productive and actually unwanted. She said that for a) I should do things right before we go to bed for example text her that I would like her to wear this item of lingerie, tell her I think she looks sexy etc. and for b) that sexting was fine but I needed to be more specific, so that if I was trying to get a mood set for the evening I should start a text with "tonight ... I would like".... or "later today I want you to xyz to me"... Also she said she would have a good think about the kind of stuff that was more likely to incline her to feeling in the mood for sex vis a vie during the day as I think she herself realised that some actions during the day MUST be an influence on mood at bed time, she is just not recognising them (or telling me) I'll post a factual account if that would help but I am over this bust up... |
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Post by worksforme2 on Nov 30, 2023 8:40:12 GMT -5
Thanks miestas and worksforme2 I think you are both correct, I know this and she keeps validating this is the situation, I think doing as worksforme2 advised and actually checking right up to the act that "this is what I am intending to do" (paraphrase) and also checking in to make sure we have both been heard but more importantly understood what both of us are agreeing to is mega essential. We talked last night, she is adamant that we did not have a conversation that used the word "anal" I was adamant we did because I made a conscious effort to use the actual words to avoid any ambiguity or childishness and then sent her links to a sex position website and said I thought two of the positions would be perfect... but we agreed we did not agree and talked about how we can make sure we are not in the same position again. One new thing I learnt, for her each interaction (conversation, suggestion, touch etc etc.) we have during a day/few days are all totally independent events and do not add up to a sexy mood or an understanding about leading to sex or a certain act. She said she thought the links to the sex positions was because we had talked about using various positions a couple of weeks ago.... totally not connected to the conversation we had had 2 hrs before in her mind.... she said I would get no clue to how she was feeling and whether she was going to be open to intimacy until I actually tried, in the evening or what ever, and that any events during the day for example, did not have any bearing on how willing she would be when we got into bed that same night.. I am ok and we again got better guidelines established which is good, but I am a bit sad that it sounds like "anticipation" of us having sex in general is not really going to be a thing in our relationship...... I will explore that with W as again I may be applying what she said about daily interactions too broadly, if the scenario was a planned event we both agreed on and could look forward to maybe it would be different.... This has to be some of the most artful dodging on your W's part that I have ever read. Hopefully you are preparing her anus and rectum for your penis by using plenty of lube and using your fingers or other things like a small dildo or vibrator to get her accustomed to having something in there. She can have no doubt about what is on the way if you are lubing up her rectum and getting her in a position to recieve your penis and asking her specifically if she is ready for your penis to be inside her. If she bolts at this point you know her actions on Monday night were preplanned and not a misunderstanding. |
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Post by week5of35years on Nov 30, 2023 8:43:03 GMT -5
I am going with these 2 .... BexCaputoYesNoMaybe.pdf (926.72 KB) yes_no_maybe_checklist 3.pdf (236.72 KB) An idea I had concerning these lists could dovetail with her hesitance to allow things that she wants to try but is afraid to refuse or is not in the right headspace to try on a particular night. I envisioned making these types of lists into a Google Form couples can fill out. These forms fill in a spreadsheet of the activities in these lists. The spreadsheet can then present all eligible activities that have Yes/Yes, Yes/Maybe, and Maybe/Maybe combinations and returns it to the couple. Neither knowing which are "Yes" and which are "Maybe" until someone asks. The other way I had in mind is the spreadsheet spits out a random set of five possible activities, four from the accepted categories, one that occasionally contains a "No". An algorithm uses low probabilities for No, higher for maybe, highest for "Yes" This allows the couple to change their minds about things later on. It can also introduce an opportunity to refuse a "Maybe" and have the random "No" to blame. You should expect "No" to be a valid response at least some of the time and no one is to blame. In this case, neither knows who is okay with what, but 80% of the time, it'll be okay at some point, and asking for something from the five act list cannot be seen as "badgering." It's on the list. So ask if it sounds good. "No" can mean, "Not tonight" Just kicking ideas around. The first one is a good idea because there is actually a lot of writing and transcribing needed, especially in the Dr. Sex Geek list (which is the one I actually prefer because it has the option for ... I did not say YES but I have no objection if you want to do this to me or me do it to you.. which I think allows an opportunity to open up and explore more avenues of variety..) neither list leads to any opportunity for spontaneity as there is quite a bit of work involved. The one using probabilities & randomness I would personally avoid as I don't want any self introduced random factors in the bedroom at the moment, there are enough already!!! I will just go with the empirical evidence and see where that goes. I read an article that said men rely too much on what has been said and agreed historically, stuff like " ....but you told me it was ok to give you hickeys 10yrs ago and NOW you say its not ok?  ? WTF" and I think if I get the chance to explore her or my kinks then the checklist should be retaken after a few weeks/months to see if the honesty/hornesty bar has moved up or down at all base on experience. I currently have a mail I sent her that she is reviewing which list out my interests and what I want to do with her and what I want her to do for me... its very, very honest and why I had to get over Monday before she responded (wrt. telling the truth) as it is my own personal YES/NO/MAYBE list.... after that, and I guess, when she has got the hang of the raw honesty of the language in those lists, we will fill out the two forms and compare notes... lets see where it goes... PS - I already told her today it is Day 3 libido for me I I would love to have sex with her tonight.... she did not say no... so we will see... (as "arse shagging" is now, by mutual agreement, not on the sex menu anymore) |
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Post by week5of35years on Nov 30, 2023 9:33:46 GMT -5
She said she is keen to get it on tonight, I sent her this... Reverse CowgirlAnd she has said OK, looks good, so lets see! |
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Post by mirrororchid on Dec 1, 2023 6:49:05 GMT -5
She said she is keen to get it on tonight, I sent her this... Reverse CowgirlAnd she has said OK, looks good, so lets see! Hope you're okay. I've heard vigorous action by the lady can bend the gentleman in the wrong way and cause damage. Either so slow, or don't move more than an inch or two fast. Others may be able to share battle scar stories. Got none myself, but was aghast at the reports. |
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Post by week5of35years on Dec 1, 2023 8:13:05 GMT -5
She said she is keen to get it on tonight, I sent her this... Reverse CowgirlAnd she has said OK, looks good, so lets see! Hope you're okay. I've heard vigorous action by the lady can bend the gentleman in the wrong way and cause damage. Either so slow, or don't move more than an inch or two fast. Others may be able to share battle scar stories. Got none myself, but was aghast at the reports. : LOLS - am am sure it could be an issue if it all got a bit wild.... went fine last night, she was very willing and aroused and we stayed in missionary... I attach my log to date...  |
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? WTF" and I think if I get the chance to explore her or my kinks then the checklist should be retaken after a few weeks/months to see if the honesty/hornesty bar has moved up or down at all base on experience.
