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Post by eternaloptimism on May 8, 2016 1:48:36 GMT -5
So I've been reading tonnes of the posts on here and wondered about how you guys who outsource get on with it. I was always that little know-all who said anyone who is in an unhappy relationship, whatever the reasons, should leave and then think about seeing someone else afterwards. I frowned big time on affairs.
However... After 17 years of battling an unhappy relationship I have outsourced!
Honestly, I have met an ex about 6 times purely for sex. I am messaging another ex about sex and life ( both chaps have always kept in contact with me not the other way round. I have always batted them off until about 6 months ago when I realised I can't fix my relationship)
I also met a chap from EP once and another who I'm still in touch with who I stayed 2 nights in a hotel with in business.
I have found all of this perks me up briefly, but it's not for me. The stress and deceit eat me up inside.
I wondered if anyone else has the same experience? I'm left it seems with the default options of staying in the sex starved hell (with plenty other issues in the relationship too) or leave. I don't think I can do outsourcing because of the lies and deceit.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 1:53:37 GMT -5
I haven't outsourced for the same guilt you just described, but I am interested in reading the responses. My ambivalence about it, keeps me "stuck."
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Post by eternaloptimism on May 8, 2016 2:25:23 GMT -5
I haven't outsourced for the same guilt you just described, but I am interested in reading the responses. My ambivalence about it, keeps me "stuck." Has the opportunity arisen and you've declined it Z or have you kept your distance intentionally? I swear you feel like a princess.... For a brief while. Until reality hits again with gusto !! Xx
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 2:41:20 GMT -5
Honestly, it's a combination of major ambivalence about the entire act of outsourcing and not putting myself out there as "looking for a FWB," eternaloptimism. Part of it, is my own poor self image (I'm obese and feel unattractive at times) and a lack of motivation to seek out available men. I'm in a holding pattern right now, and it works for me. Although, I'm more and more frustrated with my situation these days.
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Post by eternaloptimism on May 8, 2016 2:47:13 GMT -5
Honestly, it's a combination of major ambivalence about the entire act of outsourcing and not putting myself out there as "looking for a FWB," eternaloptimism. Part of it, is my own poor self image (I'm obese and feel unattractive at times) and a lack of motivation to seek out available men. I'm in a holding pattern right now, and it works for me. Although, I'm more and more frustrated with my situation these days. I have serious self image issues too. But for being big in the other direction! I'm over 6foot. I think the fact they came to me was what made it easy. I didn't actively have to do anything. And the ex made it easy too. I knew what I was getting an I knew I could trust him. I procrastinate about things for ages then a switch comes on and I pick a direction and fling myself fully into it.... Only considering it properly after the event. I have to say the excitement when a text from the ex comes through is immense! But I feel horrific being deceitful. It's not my nature.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 3:01:04 GMT -5
Hmmmm...I don't know how I would react if I was propositioned eternaloptimism. I probably wouldn't notice it, tbh. I'm so used to be a pal or wingman, that I would think the man was just being nice, not trying to get in my pants. LOL But, I completely relate to the guilt, Sister.
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Post by eternaloptimism on May 8, 2016 3:04:46 GMT -5
Z I always have walked round oblivious to whether I'm being looked at it not. Only since the hotel friend sat me down and spelled it out did I even think to look out for it.
I swear to god. When you pay attention you will see opportunities everywhere. My default setting is still to be oblivious but if I'm having a good day and feel positive about myself I remember to look. It's a little ego boost. You should make a mental note to notice. Xxx
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Post by petrushka on May 8, 2016 6:02:53 GMT -5
No, it sure isn't a magic bullet, at least not for most people.
In the past I've had affairs, or I could say friends with whom I also expressed my love physically at the same time as being in a relationship.
It was never a secret. No hiding, no lies. I think if you have to hide, then you're potentially in a shipload of trouble. However, since I was open about it, and my partners had their own little adventures ...
It only really works well if your relationship is rock solid at the time. The moment one person starts lying, the moment one person looses trust, you're toast.
But then those affairs were not about making up for a bad relationship, for a lack of sex. They were experimentation and expression of our feelings for each other.
My wife knows that she's not being fair to me, and she's given me a free pass. I just haven't found anyone in 10 years whom I would care to have that kind of relationship with (i.e. FwB) because we'd need to bond and become good friends, first. It's a little harder than just dating, for me, because you need to find someone who is secure enough in themselves to actually enter into that kind of relationship willingly and enthusiastically without being consumed by guilt and doubt.
Just a quick fuck with someone who's a virtual stranger seems unfulfilling to me.
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Post by snowman12345 on May 8, 2016 6:34:07 GMT -5
For me outsourcing is not about fulfillment, it is not about love, and it is not about being a "magic bullet". It is simply the best way to keep my life as it is and still get sex when I need it. That's it. It fills a reoccurring need. Guilt plays a tiny part, but when I get refused (which happens much less often because I don't ask very often) it makes me angry and frustrated - which is why I outsource in the first place. The euphoria of having been with a lover lasts a few days for me and allows me to continue in a job that takes a toll by boosting my confidence. I am still worthy; I am still wanted. When our marriage was not a SM I got these things from my wife and never even realized what was missing until I started outsourcing. I am not in love with anyone anymore and I don't foresee that in my future. I have had enough of it and as selfish as it may seem, I can concentrate on my needs since no one else seems willing to. Fulfillment comes from my kids and grandkids and seeing what good people they are growing into.
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Post by wewbwb on May 8, 2016 7:22:34 GMT -5
Well, when i had a fwb about 10 yrs ago. I feel it actually made me closer to my w. My needs were being met so i was able to simply enjoy my w as the friend she has become. The problem is that i am sensitive and a romantic. So it became difficult because i wasn't able to be what i wanted to for my fwb. Not that she asked or wanted more, but i wanted to give it her. She broke it off and we remained friends. It wasn't easy dealing with guilt but it also seemed to me that my w wasn't dealing with my needs. So maybe that is simply "man justification" but that is how i dealt with it. For better or worse.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 7:40:09 GMT -5
I haven't outsourced for the same guilt you just described, but I am interested in reading the responses. My ambivalence about it, keeps me "stuck." That's the main reason I didn't have an outside partner until after I told my now ex it was over. I just couldn't Iive with myself had I started living a lie, a double life like her (I had caught her in an affair years earlier). I'm not judging those who do it that way; it's none of my business, but I couldn't. I was still married but I was not pretending I wanted to be or that I expected us to remain that way. So I didn't feel guilty. The way it played out for me was I told my wife we were getting a divorce (a little side advice: don't ask for a divorce, announce it) but that we would stay together another year so she could finish her teaching certificate. Well in my state you have a year waiting period after separating before you can file for divorce. Plus who knows how much legal wrangling. So had I waited until the divorce was final and only then got on the meat market, it could have been three more years before I had sex. And it had already been almost two. Fook that. I had been getting flirty with a lady on EP and that then progressed to a sexual relationship. It was long distance so mostly online but we did meet twice for carnal relations. My wife knew, she just couldn't prove it despite having me followed by a gumshoe. I had to end the affair because I was in love with my AP and it was clear she was never going to leave her husband. I wouldn't live on the fringes of her life, so I put a stop to it. So both our hearts ended up broken. My advice to someone in a SM considering an affair, at least with a married person, is don't unless you can compartmentalize your feelings. Your lover is probably not going to leave their marriage. If you fall in love, now you're in love with someone you'll never have. Just peachy. You have to be able to sweep inconvenient emotions under the rug. Another bit of advice for those considering outsourcing, find out what the laws are in your state concerning adultery. They vary widely, so you have to do some research. The consequences of being caught could be minimal, or they could have a big impact on child custody and post separation support. In some states your lover could be sued for damages. Know what you're potentially getting into.
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Post by wewbwb on May 8, 2016 8:50:27 GMT -5
Your lover is probably not going to leave their marriage. If you fall in love, now you're in love with someone you'll never have. Even if they say "they will" or that they are "working on it" or that "it is a matter of time". It almost never is and they will never leave. I don't know whether it was more painful for me being in a sexless marriage or in another dysfunctional relationship in which the one I fell in love with, prefers to remain with someone who doesn't want him instead of with someone who does. I'm still not over it. And I don't know whether I ever will. That is true. In my case my fwb wasn't married but didn't want two balls and a chain anyway after being married for years. I don't think you need to "get over it" so much as understand the reality of it and absorb that into your life. This is what the true meaning of "it is what it is". Accept what it is and feel it. Don't worry about moving on or getting over it. And if it becomes difficult , we are here.
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Post by unmatched on May 8, 2016 9:05:31 GMT -5
I don't think you need to "get over it" so much as understand the reality of it and absorb that into your life. This is what the true meaning of "it is what it is". Accept what it is and feel it. Don't worry about moving on or getting over it. And if it becomes difficult , we are here. I like this a lot. Right now I am thinking it is so much better to let yourself get involved even knowing it will cause you pain than to sit it out on the sidelines and watch your life slip away a bit more every day.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:49:15 GMT -5
Your lover is probably not going to leave their marriage. If you fall in love, now you're in love with someone you'll never have. Even if they say "they will" or that they are "working on it" or that "it is a matter of time". It almost never is and they will never leave. I don't know whether it was more painful for me being in a sexless marriage or in another dysfunctional relationship in which the one I fell in love with, prefers to remain with someone who doesn't want him instead of with someone who does. I'm still not over it. And I don't know whether I ever will. Holy effing deja vu.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:25:01 GMT -5
I'm obese and feel unattractive at times We've seen your picture. Your definitely not obese. You're not having an affair because you're smart and know better.
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