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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 7:29:01 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity Brother @shynjdude , what was her "plausible answer" to her firing up on that 6 month re-set way back when ? And a supplementary question, what does she say made her turn off the tap after 6 months ? She says that she started being interested in sex with me 20 years ago after an incident where I got emotionally involved with a friend of hers. She now admits (I asked her last night) that there may have been an element of hysterical bonding then, but she says that's not the situation now. Anyway, back 20 years ago she says that when we went to counseling I was checked out and didn't take on any responsibility for my share of the problems in the marriage, and I blamed her wholly, and that is what turned her off from sex then. I really was checked out then, so this is quite plausible.
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Post by wom360 on Sept 6, 2018 8:23:02 GMT -5
So competition keeps her on her toes. I’m sensing a pattern.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 10:27:05 GMT -5
So competition keeps her on her toes. I’m sensing a pattern. I thought so too which is why I told her my fears last night that this would peter out, and that this was hysterical bonding. As I said, she doesn't think so this time. For one thing, the sex didn't start immediately after telling her about the affairs, it took several weeks. (She has fears too.... whether I am as into her as she is now into me, whether I would cheat again....) At this point she seems to be turned on far more by my/our honesty, and by my asking her questions instead of assuming the worst, than anything else. She feels valued and respected for the first time in a long time. And the kisses and sex helps keep the good will going. So far.
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Post by TheGreatContender -aka Daddeeo on Sept 6, 2018 12:31:52 GMT -5
Well something is working because you are getting laid, with your wife, and you like it.
Keep poking away, sort of speak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:09:07 GMT -5
Before the Jewish New Year I tend to get very introspective over the past year's events and what I want for the future. I just re-read what I wrote on this forum a few days before I had the (premature) Talk. It was perhaps the most popular thing I ever wrote here: At the time I had absolutely no idea that being true to myself might save my marriage and make it better than I ever dared hope. Honesty isn't only avoiding lies. This was a landmark year for me no matter what the future holds. Right now, I am no longer at the mercy of the ebbs and flows of circumstances - I can be an architect of my own future. I can't believe, two months after writing the words above, I am looking forward to a potential future with my wife, one that we both hope will include love and fun and sex and intimacy and discovering each other and acceptance (or maybe celebration) of our differences. Here's to the future.
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Post by choosinghappy on Sept 7, 2018 17:33:30 GMT -5
That’s amazing @shynjdude. Not just what you wrote (and it is) but also the path you are on. I hope for a wonderful new year for you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 19:22:41 GMT -5
That’s amazing @shynjdude . Not just what you wrote (and it is) but also the path you are on. I hope for a wonderful new year for you. Thanks choosinghappy. Having a front seat view at you over the past year, I can confidently say that your growth has been meteoric compared to mine. I remain absolutely amazed at what you have accomplished and you remain a role model for me and for the entire forum. Jewish tradition says that God decides on everyone's future on the new year, so I want to give you and all of ILIASM a blessing that this should be a year of happiness and love for all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 6:58:50 GMT -5
Things remain good. A couple of uncomfortable conversations but altogether I have a wife who wants to hold and be held, who wants lovemaking, who misses me when I leave for work.
Others call their new lives post-SM to be "Opposite Land." No, that is Different Land. I'm really living in Opposite Land. Same house, same woman, completely opposite dynamic. Bizarro World for Superman and Seinfeld fans.
My therapy session this evening should be about forgiveness, a topic elsewhere here. My wife really has forgiven me for the two major violations of the marriage I am guilty of: not truly being there for her throughout her medical problems, and outsourcing. (Even though I remain skeptical about her self diagnosis and treatment, I should have been far more supportive and present.)
Her act of forgiveness has freed her to be a loving person, who is discovering that I'm a nice and desirable man who is indeed present when I feel valued.
But I have not yet been able to truly forgive her and free myself completely. She will still say things occasionally that are almost like PTSD triggers which cause me to either cry or lash out. I'm actually amazed at her ability to forgive, and to let go of her resentment towards me. I need to learn how to do that (especially at this time period of the Jewish calendar which is all about forgiveness and penitence.) While my resentment has receded a great deal, that is only because the circumstances have changed, and if things backslide I would probably be even more resentful.
I need to learn how to truly forgive, unconditionally, for my own sake as well as for the marriage.
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Post by sadkat on Sept 13, 2018 15:47:52 GMT -5
Learning how to forgive- it’s challenging but so rewarding. You are forgiving for you, not for the other person. I just saw an excerpt of a talk by Elizabeth Smart. She chose to forgive her abductor and rapist because she knew that was the only way she could move forward and live the life she wanted to live. It was a powerful speech. I’m happy things are moving along in the right direction for you!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 20:24:10 GMT -5
It was an interesting weekend.
Due to confluence of factors, I felt almost PTSD triggered to thinking that old SM habits were coming back. And I reacted badly - angry, upset and hurt. The goodwill built over the past 8 weeks or so were in danger of collapsing.
None of this was my wife's fault. I couldn't see it in the moment but it was just because some stuff that happened seemed to fit old patterns and I reverted back to my old bitter self.
Wife was hurt by my words and actions but she rose above it, forcing me to discuss how I was feeling and why, and we worked through it. It took a little longer for me to get over my subconscious issues in bed, but - again, to her credit - she lovingly helped me get my mojo back, so to speak.
Things could have gone south quickly with how I was acting, and I'm ashamed that I acted that way. For her part, she rightly recognized it as more proof of how hurt I was through our marriage and she once again took full responsibility and is working to permanently fix it.
So I remain quite optimistic that this is a genuine turnaround (on both our parts, but her more than me.) And except for the two weeks we were away from each other, we are still averaging one session a day. (I'm not expecting that statistic to stay that high, but it is remarkable.)
Things aren't perfect but this is now a pretty good marriage. And I'm still trying to figure out how this happened.
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Post by choosinghappy on Sept 16, 2018 21:05:15 GMT -5
“And I’m still trying to figure out how this happened.”
Maybe you HAVE actually been married to the right woman, secretly, all these years?? 😉
Your latest reply read to me like you have a lot of respect for your wife these days. Do you think the same could be said for her in regards to you? I know the lack of respect was one of your main sticking points previously.
Still pulling for you!
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Post by workingonit on Sept 16, 2018 21:11:15 GMT -5
Moving from cautiously optimistic to cautiously excited for you!
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Post by javba on Sept 16, 2018 21:15:30 GMT -5
In the very few honest discussions, mine said I acknowledge I screwed up. Question to myself was, after 2 decades should I continue to wait for the miracle. What's the conditional probability of change?
In contrast to your retirement account, past human performance is a virtual guarantee of shape of things to come.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 22:07:45 GMT -5
Your latest reply read to me like you have a lot of respect for your wife these days. Do you think the same could be said for her in regards to you? I know the lack of respect was one of your main sticking points previously. This is hard to answer as a yes/no. My wife, perhaps brilliantly, unilaterally decided that the best way to save the marriage was to rid herself of all the baggage of over 30 years and look at me with fresh eyes, not concentrating on the negative as we had been. In that context, she seems to have a great deal of respect for me now. We do talk about the past but we try to do it objectively. This is not always easy. She wants me to have the same mindset of looking at her anew. I never signed up to this complete psychological reset, hence the problems this weekend. But she is acting like a new person and I am treating this as effectively a new relationship. We even joke that we are like a new boyfriend/girlfriend, just discovering each other. And I have a huge amount of respect for Wife 2.0, to the point that I am starting to wonder if I deserve her. Just how she handled my mini-tantrum/breakdown yesterday says tons about her maturity and her desire to make this work out. I don't know yet. That seems so bizarre to even think of. We are so different. Who knows? Better to take one day at a time than to think that cosmically! We're enjoying each other now, two months after we were ready to go to war; that's enough cognitive dissonance for this year. The feeling is quite mutual!
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Post by jamesbonding on Sept 17, 2018 0:05:58 GMT -5
It's freaky how similar our stories are, @shynjdude. We are both going through turnarounds, you from no-sex (I guess) to daily sex, me from once-per-10-days sex to daily sex. I screwed up last week and my wife got angry with me. No sex for a couple days, and I was wondering how long she would stay angry and whether we'd go back to once per 10 days sex. But we recovered and are back to once or even twice a day. This gives me hope that this is a permanent turnaround. I'm not sure if we will continue with daily sex long term, but even if we back off to once every 2 days or so, I think I'll be very happy and satisfied. "Things aren't perfect but this is now a pretty good marriage. And I'm still trying to figure out how this happened." -- Yeah, if you read my story of a previous reset at www.reuniting.info/comment/95228#comment-95228 , you'll see that I was puzzled too. (If you read the article, note that "karezza" means "intercourse without the intention of having an orgasm." The no-orgasm part is a detail, not important for the present discussion.) My guess about what happened in your case, shynjdude, is that the revelation of your affair was a shock to your wife, which started getting her to think seriously about what she wanted to do about the marriage. You could ask her... javba: "In contrast to your retirement account, past human performance is a virtual guarantee of shape of things to come." -- No, I don't think people are guaranteed to always behave the same. People CAN change, though it sometimes takes a major shock to get them to change. For example, a lung cancer diagnosis may cause someone to quit smoking. Or a spouse's affair, or a credible threat to get a divorce, can motivate someone to do whatever it takes to salvage the marriage, if they indeed care enough about the marriage to want to preserve it.
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