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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 10:00:24 GMT -5
I'm posting this here because I don't want to jack someone's thread when this is a side issue, but I beyond sick of this idea that it's easier for women to find a lover. Maybe in the land of Ashley Madison, it's easier, but let's bring this thing into the real world where women are looking for someone to have an actual relationship with, not just someone to hook up with for a night of sex.
One of the men posted: "If you take an average room of single men and women, it's a fair bet that 99% of the men would be ready and willing if a woman simply looked their way. On the other hand, it's typically the men who have to make the approach and women being the higher species are naturally more discerning and can pick and choose from among the horny bastards lined up waiting for their chance. Now granted it may be harder for women to find someone who bathes regularly and speaks in complete sentences, but am I wrong that you all have an unending line of applicants?"
You are, indeed, wrong. There is no unending line of potential partners just because I happen to be female. Now if I was 25 and hot, maybe that would be true. How many average looking women in their 50s have you approached and asked out for coffee?
Let me give you a little snapshot of what it's like to be 51, single and female. I have a very dear friend who happens to be 20 years younger than me. When the two of us join a group run, men my age will walk right past me to flirt with her, even though she is married. Women are held to an impossible standard of beauty - be thin, be curvy, have big boobs, have great hair, be sexy, be classy, stay young forever. Men at least are allowed to age. And believe me, it's not because these men are so physically perfect - all of them, average, good looking and not so good looking, will walk past me to talk to a woman who would never, ever have anything to do with them romantically. What am I supposed to do? Grab one of them by the arm and say, "Hey, talk to me, I might actually sleep with you and she never will! I know I'm clearly below your standard in some way, but maybe if you get to know me you'll decide to give me a chance." And if I do strike up a conversation with one of them, I either get to watch their eyes follow around some younger woman or I get the "friendly" brush off. I am looking their way, and they don't even see me.
So there's the flip side of your coin. Maybe it's true that men generally are expected to do the approaching, but I am perfectly willing to be the one to strike up a conversation. Too bad most men my age are too busy looking over my shoulder for someone with unlined skin and a body as yet unaffected by gravity. Even when I was young, it wasn't easy. I became friends with a guy I had once asked to go to a play with me (he turned me down) and later I asked him why he wasn't attracted to me. Get ready for this one - he said I was too tall. Add that to the list of qualifications - be short enough to make a man feel manly.
Guys, just stop. Stop thinking it's easier for women. It's not easy for any of us, other than a few individuals blessed with charm and confidence that just mystifies the rest of us. And it's even harder for those of us, men and women, who have endured rejection over years and years. This is not some contest to see who has it worst - we're all struggling, we all have fears and insecurities, and a lot of us, myself included, are afraid we will never find a partner that will love us passionately and will build a life with us.
Rant over. Let the slamming commence.
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Post by wewbwb on May 10, 2016 10:24:29 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying, I understand that is your truth. I am in NO way discounting it, nor marginalizing it. Again, I am not trying to take away your power or point of view.
Have you considered that you may intimidate men? Yes it is a thing. Men without self esteem. While they may walk past you because you're tall and smart and pretty - They may go to your exactly because they know they have no chance with her. "It was never going to happen, but I got the attention of a pretty girl for a while." Also these same men tend to like women with "bubbly" attitudes. I'm not sure why it's annoying to me. Anyway - is she like this?
Or it may simply be men are idiots.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 10:37:39 GMT -5
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN @mountainrunner!!!!
This - "There is no unending line of potential partners just because I happen to be female. Now if I was 25 and hot, maybe that would be true. How many average looking women in their 50s have you approached and asked out for coffee?"
Women over 45 are INVISIBLE, in my experience. I despise when it's mansplained away, insulting our intelligence.
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Post by wewbwb on May 10, 2016 10:46:40 GMT -5
okay- maybe it is just me. It may be because I don't even LOOK at a person (male or female) under 40 as anything other then I child. I do see your point of view and understand it. I tried to NOT mansplain it away - and I'm sorry if I failed at that.
I'll simply go to my fall back conclusion that men are idiots. And I am not simply trying to "pacify" anyone by saying that. Sadly, the evidence is all around us.
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Post by smilin61 on May 10, 2016 11:19:56 GMT -5
I'm always amazed when looking at those "dating sites" how many men look for women waayyyyy outside of their own age group. As if even the possibility of a date with someone half their age makes them feel "manlier". Any guy that wants to date someone my nieces/ daughters age is NOT someone I want to know. In my head I thank them for helping me with the "screening process', and move on. I understand that we all have our own mental lists of what we find attractive and what turns us off. If we are each being authentic, this is what should happen. I agree with mountainrunner - the problem is when we are insensitive to someone else's reality. I can disagree with, not understand, even dislike where you are/how you think...but if I find myself being condescending, rude or dismissive to you, then I need to really check myself. Life is hard enough. Adding to someone else's struggle just isn't a kind, loving, respectful way to be - and to me, that is always my goal. Not saying I always make that goal, but keeping it in mind when communicating with others is a start. We all know what Baz would say here....
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Post by wewbwb on May 10, 2016 11:54:55 GMT -5
Well I truly hope I didn't NOT dismiss anyone's feelings or point of view. If I did I am sorry. I respect the women here too much- It is clear that most if not all are smarter then me. And again - that is just a fact - I'm not appeasing anyone.
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Post by greatcoastal on May 10, 2016 12:05:32 GMT -5
That's some really great sharing! Thank you so much for that!
It reminds me that even when I speak to someone hoping for even a little attention, that I reached out. I made myself open to rejection,and that is one of the biggest compliments you can give someone else. Weather they know it or not. I should walk away with a smile on my face.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 15:30:39 GMT -5
You're an anomaly wewbwb because you prefer women OLDER than you. You are in the minority. Because even though we're led to believe that MILFs and cougars are a "thing," they really aren't. If they were the women of ILIASM would have a different boy toy every day. Most men simply do not wish to date middle-aged women. Whether they're trying to recapture their youth, or simply looking for someone "hotter," the majority don't "see" women their own age. And, the saddest part of that, is that we truly are seeking the same things - fun, companionship, romance, passion, and sex - if it gets that far. But, I'm not ready to outsource, so I'm speaking from what I've observed with my single/divorced friends. Only one found a man who WANTED to meet women his own age - and they're engaged now.
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Post by greatcoastal on May 10, 2016 16:00:00 GMT -5
Most men simply do not wish to date middle-aged women. Whether they're trying to recapture their youth, or simply looking for someone "hotter," the majority don't "see" women their own age. And, the saddest part of that, is that we truly are seeking the same things - fun, companionship, romance, passion, and sex - if it gets that far. But, I'm not ready to outsource, so I'm speaking from what I've observed with my single/divorced friends. Only one found a man who WANTED to meet women his own age - and they're engaged now. Hands up! I do! I light up like a Christmas tree when I hear a woman say, " my kids are grown and out of the house". Now that is long term reality thinking. I am too old to be putting myself at risk with some 30 year old with a two year old child. My heart melts like butter around kids! i respect your opinion! Be careful with the words, " most men". Are you thinking 51 percent or 99 percent? And what circles of men are you talking about? We truly are seeking the same things. (Yet you have probably heard this before.) Different priorities , a different order. men receive sex- then give companionship, romance and passion. woman want companionship, romance, and passion-then give sex. this leads me to have much sympathy and compassion for you friend, in a loving kind manor. If your not ready to outsource or get divorced, finding companionship, romance, and passion and give no sex is not going to be easy.( to say the least, hope I am wrong)
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 16:06:45 GMT -5
greatcoastal 51% I've had men in their 60s and 70s hit on me. And, I'm not looking to outsource right now. But, this is @mountainrunner's thread, so I stand by my own personal experience, which, while limited, is much like hers.
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Post by greatcoastal on May 10, 2016 16:15:36 GMT -5
greatcoastal 51% I've had men in their 60s and 70s hit on me. And, I'm not looking to outsource right now. But, this is @mountainrunner 's thread, so I stand by my own personal experience, which, while limited, is much like hers. Thanks for that " z", I hope we hear from Moantainrunner tonight! I love the thought of a smaller playing field and a better chance with a woman my age. Most likely we will both have money too!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 16:20:35 GMT -5
Mountainrunner, I am very sorry. I really can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you that if I saw that cute ass running by, i would certainly notice, and I would really have to resist the urge to grab it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 16:25:57 GMT -5
You're an anomaly wewbwb because you prefer women OLDER than you. You are in the minority. Because even though we're led to believe that MILFs and cougars are a "thing," they really aren't. If they were the women of ILIASM would have a different boy toy every day. Most men simply do not wish to date middle-aged women. Whether they're trying to recapture their youth, or simply looking for someone "hotter," the majority don't "see" women their own age. And, the saddest part of that, is that we truly are seeking the same things - fun, companionship, romance, passion, and sex - if it gets that far. But, I'm not ready to outsource, so I'm speaking from what I've observed with my single/divorced friends. Only one found a man who WANTED to meet women his own age - and they're engaged now. I'm confused by this. There must be alot of older men and women uncoupled because big age differences are the exception, not the norm. So the women, not wanting to date their father, prefer to be alone. And the men, apparently wanting to date their daughter, also stay alone. Or maybe similar aged men and women just use each other as FWB hoping someone "better" comes along for the real thing. It's discussions like this that make me want to join a nunnery.
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Post by wewbwb on May 10, 2016 16:29:39 GMT -5
You're an anomaly wewbwb because you prefer women OLDER than you. You are in the minority. Because even though we're led to believe that MILFs and cougars are a "thing," they really aren't. If they were the women of ILIASM would have a different boy toy every day. Most men simply do not wish to date middle-aged women. Whether they're trying to recapture their youth, or simply looking for someone "hotter," the majority don't "see" women their own age. And, the saddest part of that, is that we truly are seeking the same things - fun, companionship, romance, passion, and sex - if it gets that far. But, I'm not ready to outsource, so I'm speaking from what I've observed with my single/divorced friends. Only one found a man who WANTED to meet women his own age - and they're engaged now. I'm confused by this. There must be alot of older men and women uncoupled because big age differences are the exception, not the norm. So the women, not wanting to date their father, prefer to be alone. And the men, apparently wanting to date their daughter, also stay alone. Or maybe similar aged men and women just use each other as FWB hoping someone "better" comes along for the real thing. It's discussions like this that make me want to join a nunnery. Please don't. I really really mean that.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 16:33:05 GMT -5
I'm confused by this. There must be alot of older men and women uncoupled because big age differences are the exception, not the norm. So the women, not wanting to date their father, prefer to be alone. And the men, apparently wanting to date their daughter, also stay alone. Or maybe similar aged men and women just use each other as FWB hoping someone "better" comes along for the real thing. It's discussions like this that make me want to join a nunnery. Please don't. I really really mean that. I second that, @helentishappy. Do not become a nun, even though it does offer great travel to exotic places to meet new people. (Can you tell I've considered it?)
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