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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 15:02:14 GMT -5
sunniedays: "If it's so important in a marriage or relationship, then why are there so many situations where you hear, 'well, the sex is amazing out of this world mind-blowing' but there was nothing else. It's the oldest story around: the girl goes for the bad boy, because, oh my god he's such a turn on. And guess who loses in the end? The girl whose partner will F her every day and twice on Sunday, but he's got nothing else to give. So pick what you want. I choose the partner who's kind, loving, smart, ambitious, generous, a great parent, a best friend, a partner in life." Why can't you have someone who's kind, loving, smart, etc., AND with whom you have great sex? Does it really have to be one or the other?
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Post by bballgirl on Sept 14, 2016 15:02:44 GMT -5
sunniedays: "I've personally never felt any form of 'bonding' going on when my husband's penis was in my mouth. Nor did I experience intimacy when his tongue was between my legs." Never? Not one single time? Even when you were new to each other, just falling in love? That's so sad. To me, it would be like tasting nothing when you put chocolate in your mouth; or being completely colorblind and never seeing the full splendor of a rainbow. Well said. That is sad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 16:00:10 GMT -5
sunniedays: "If it's so important in a marriage or relationship, then why are there so many situations where you hear, 'well, the sex is amazing out of this world mind-blowing' but there was nothing else. It's the oldest story around: the girl goes for the bad boy, because, oh my god he's such a turn on. And guess who loses in the end? The girl whose partner will F her every day and twice on Sunday, but he's got nothing else to give. So pick what you want. I choose the partner who's kind, loving, smart, ambitious, generous, a great parent, a best friend, a partner in life." Why can't you have someone who's kind, loving, smart, etc., AND with whom you have great sex? Does it really have to be one or the other? Nope.
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Post by baza on Sept 14, 2016 21:42:42 GMT -5
Well sunniedays, at the very least, you have seen opinions from the opposite side of the coin to you, so you have some idea of how refused spouses think. It may help you moving forward, or it might not. - And, on the other hand, your contribution has been extremely valuable in providing a perspective from the refusive side of the coin, and may hopefully have been of great value to the refused part of the membership in formulating their choices in dealing with their particular version of this situation. - So personally, I'd like to thank you for your contribution. It has been most illuminating as the story unfolded. It ought be required reading for the membership
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Post by DryCreek on Sept 14, 2016 22:52:21 GMT -5
It's obvious I don't belong here. Good luck. I would agree, but not because you're unwelcome here. And not because you're the low-libido spouse. Or because people don't sympathize with your medical challenges; we do. If anything, you're not fitting in because you're not really here to seek answers. Despite not having a great grasp of your particular situation, many suggestions have been made that would lead to productive discussion if you were looking for it. Many of those suggestions weren't sexual, but rather to help your relationship survive this. But you ignored them. Instead, it became evident that you were just looking for people to agree with your perspective, not challenge it or find a compromise. Our spouses' indifference to our misery is *precisely* the attitude that has most of us here in so much pain. That you feel bad about your situation doesn't score any points. Communicating openly with your husband does. Jointly navigating a compromise does. But making life-changing decisions without his input, and keeping him in the dark about it... is truly one of the cruelest things you could do to someone you claim to love.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 2:29:46 GMT -5
It's obvious I don't belong here. Good luck. Anyone who engages in respectful on-topic conversation belongs here. More than one person has expressed gratitude for your posts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 3:01:17 GMT -5
It's obvious I don't belong here. Good luck. I would agree, but not because you're unwelcome here. And not because you're the low-libido spouse. Or because people don't sympathize with your medical challenges; we do. If anything, you're not fitting in because you're not really here to seek answers. Despite not having a great grasp of your particular situation, many suggestions have been made that would lead to productive discussion if you were looking for it. Many of those suggestions weren't sexual, but rather to help your relationship survive this. But you ignored them. Instead, it became evident that you were just looking for people to agree with your perspective, not challenge it or find a compromise. Our spouses' indifference to our misery is *precisely* the attitude that has most of us here in so much pain. That you feel bad about your situation doesn't score any points. Communicating openly with your husband does. Jointly navigating a compromise does. But making life-changing decisions without his input, and keeping him in the dark about it... is truly one of the cruelest things you could do to someone you claim to love. As a person who has a mind blowing sex life with someone who has very serious debilitating health problems, I'm always incredulous about medical excuses. Yeah I've read some stories where I get it. I remember one where she was being eaten alive by aggressive cancer and chemo even after having both breasts removed. That's a reason not to want sex. That's different than feeling nothing. Maybe you can't help it if you feel nothing, but you can help how you respond to your spouse's needs. And yes sunnie if you're still reading, SEX MATTERS. Lack thereof is an eminently reasonable reason to end a marriage. Because your husband is not just suffering from blue ball. He does not feel loved. If he's like most refused spouses he'll never leave you. If he's like a minority of refused spouses he will. Is this worth losing your husband over? Because it's sure as hell worth leaving over.
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Post by lwoetin on Sept 15, 2016 12:08:44 GMT -5
If he's like most refused spouses he'll never leave you. If he's like a minority of refused spouses he will. Is this worth losing your husband over? Because it's sure as hell worth leaving over. With half of marriages going up in smoke I lean more in the pessimistic view for sexless marriage. If he's like most refused spouses he'll leave you. If he's like a minority of refused spouses he never will. Good luck finding answers and saving your marriage.
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Post by Dan on Sept 16, 2016 8:09:29 GMT -5
It's obvious I don't belong here. Good luck. I can give you a REALLY GOOD reason why you DO belong here. Two, actually: 1) You are searching for answers to your marital sexlessness, including deeply taking a look at your own behaviors and struggling with what you really want out of marriage and how to accommodate what your spouse wants in hopes of being able to solve this... just like the rest of us. 2) You are disappointed upon first arrival to find "it doesn't look like there are any easy/foolproof answers"... just like the rest of us. Please stay.
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Post by petrushka on Sept 16, 2016 17:21:16 GMT -5
sunniedays : "I've personally never felt any form of 'bonding' going on when my husband's penis was in my mouth. Nor did I experience intimacy when his tongue was between my legs." Never? Not one single time? Even when you were new to each other, just falling in love? That's so sad. To me, it would be like tasting nothing when you put chocolate in your mouth; or being completely colorblind and never seeing the full splendor of a rainbow. That's just it, isn't it? If giving pleasure to your 'loved one' doesn't do anything for you, doesn't turn you on, doesn't "rock your world" then yes, I guess it becomes a meaningless and possibly unpleasant messy activity. Not to mention the rush of having the power to blow your loved one's mind. What a rush, what a two way street of affection and intimacy. I guess if you don't feel it, you don't feel it. My wife doesn't feel it. She doesn't know. It's never occurred to her that giving pleasure in a way that actually gives pleasure to the other person is great ... she'll give me a pullover for X-mas because she likes knitting, it would never occur to her to give me a new video card for the computer or a new lens for my camera (or, for that matter, a BJ). I get huge pleasure when her face lights up [just] because I gave her some flowers. On the other hand, I've countless times complimented her and praised her and thanked her for "little acts of service", but she doesn't seem to derive any pleasure from that. Nor, for that matter, does that seem to register with her as affection or appreciation from my side. Some people, apparently, are just wired differently. Well that's one thing I've learned these last 18 years ........
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Post by miggs29 on Oct 13, 2016 13:35:10 GMT -5
Hi all. I am a new member. Although I am not married, I am in a sexless relationship. My partner and I are engaged and the last two times we had or at least tried to have sex (3 months ago), we had to stop because she did not feel comfortable. She has told me that she has no interest in sex and does not like it. Ok, so why am I telling my story here and not in a new members' section? Like sunniedays, I am a cancer patient/survivor and I have felt exactly what she means by "no desire." According to what I am reading in this forum, I seem to be the high-libido partner due to my interest in intimacy, physical touch/caressing, sex, etc. However, I have also been the low-libido partner, most specifically during treatment for my second cancer.
About a year ago, midway through the 7-month chemotherapy regimen for my second cancer, I was masturbating and something "turned off" in my mind. I felt like the connection between my penis and my brain had been cut, and had no interest in what I was doing and immediately lost my erection. Although physically there, I didn't feel my penis, like it didn't exist. That is really difficult to fathom, but it happened.
It seems that no one understands what sunniedays means by " no desire." This is understandable because I assume that none of you have or had cancer. Let me provide you with an example of what she means: before any one of us hit puberty or found interest in the opposite/same sex and found masturbation, did you have any interest in sex? Was sex even on your mind?
I believe sunniedays is in a position where she was previously self-aware of her sexuality and her vagina. After her cancer treatment, she is no longer "connected" with her vagina. By that I mean whatever impulses or signals that her mind sent throughout her body to stimulate arousal is no longer occurring. So for all of us, imagine cutting off your right index finger, seeing it completely disconnected from your person and then trying to move it as if it were still attached to your body. Better yet, imagine seeing that amputated finger on a surface and trying to feel the texture of that surface with it. So the need to feel oneself or touch anyone else, in a sexual manner, is non-existence. It sucks.
I am writing this to try to create a bridge of understanding. I appreciate everyone's opinion on this forum and hope that you all better understand what she means. I also hope that I didn't confuse you all.
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Post by wewbwb on Oct 13, 2016 14:14:02 GMT -5
Hi all. I am a new member. Although I am not married, I am in a sexless relationship. My partner and I are engaged and the last two times we had or at least tried to have sex (3 months ago), we had to stop because she did not feel comfortable. She has told me that she has no interest in sex and does not like it. Ok, so why am I telling my story here and not in a new members' section? Like sunniedays, I am a cancer patient/survivor and I have felt exactly what she means by "no desire." According to what I am reading in this forum, I seem to be the high-libido partner due to my interest in intimacy, physical touch/caressing, sex, etc. However, I have also been the low-libido partner, most specifically during treatment for my second cancer. About a year ago, midway through the 7-month chemotherapy regimen for my second cancer, I was masturbating and something "turned off" in my mind. I felt like the connection between my penis and my brain had been cut, and had no interest in what I was doing and immediately lost my erection. Although physically there, I didn't feel my penis, like it didn't exist. That is really difficult to fathom, but it happened. It seems that no one understands what sunniedays means by " no desire." This is understandable because I assume that none of you have or had cancer. Let me provide you with an example of what she means: before any one of us hit puberty or found interest in the opposite/same sex and found masturbation, did you have any interest in sex? Was sex even on your mind? I believe sunniedays is in a position where she was previously self-aware of her sexuality and her vagina. After her cancer treatment, she is no longer "connected" with her vagina. By that I mean whatever impulses or signals that her mind sent throughout her body to stimulate arousal is no longer occurring. So for all of us, imagine cutting off your right index finger, seeing it completely disconnected from your person and then trying to move it as if it were still attached to your body. Better yet, imagine seeing that amputated finger on a surface and trying to feel the texture of that surface with it. So the need to feel oneself or touch anyone else, in a sexual manner, is non-existence. It sucks. I am writing this to try to create a bridge of understanding. I appreciate everyone's opinion on this forum and hope that you all better understand what she means. I also hope that I didn't confuse you all. Hello and welcome - So I'm going to be a bit of jerk here. Your amputation reference is moot, because if I wasn't using my finger and someone I loved could use it, I'd give it to them. Your puberty reference is moot. Because we DO know about sex. Both partners. So although the "desire" may no longer be there because of medical reasons, the "knowledge" is there, for both partners. Here's the "jerk" part. Why are you willing to deny a need to your partner? Find a "workaround". Find out what works for you both. Find a connection. Try. Find a compromise. Make an arrangement. Even if you are simply holding the toy for her, or her you. Sex and intimacy can be creative and "non-traditional" IF it works for both partners. Don't say "I don't work sorry, you're now celibate" Not without trying. Not if both partners love each other and are willing to try.
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Post by miggs29 on Oct 13, 2016 15:32:33 GMT -5
Hi all. I am a new member. Although I am not married, I am in a sexless relationship. My partner and I are engaged and the last two times we had or at least tried to have sex (3 months ago), we had to stop because she did not feel comfortable. She has told me that she has no interest in sex and does not like it. Ok, so why am I telling my story here and not in a new members' section? Like sunniedays, I am a cancer patient/survivor and I have felt exactly what she means by "no desire." According to what I am reading in this forum, I seem to be the high-libido partner due to my interest in intimacy, physical touch/caressing, sex, etc. However, I have also been the low-libido partner, most specifically during treatment for my second cancer. About a year ago, midway through the 7-month chemotherapy regimen for my second cancer, I was masturbating and something "turned off" in my mind. I felt like the connection between my penis and my brain had been cut, and had no interest in what I was doing and immediately lost my erection. Although physically there, I didn't feel my penis, like it didn't exist. That is really difficult to fathom, but it happened. It seems that no one understands what sunniedays means by " no desire." This is understandable because I assume that none of you have or had cancer. Let me provide you with an example of what she means: before any one of us hit puberty or found interest in the opposite/same sex and found masturbation, did you have any interest in sex? Was sex even on your mind? I believe sunniedays is in a position where she was previously self-aware of her sexuality and her vagina. After her cancer treatment, she is no longer "connected" with her vagina. By that I mean whatever impulses or signals that her mind sent throughout her body to stimulate arousal is no longer occurring. So for all of us, imagine cutting off your right index finger, seeing it completely disconnected from your person and then trying to move it as if it were still attached to your body. Better yet, imagine seeing that amputated finger on a surface and trying to feel the texture of that surface with it. So the need to feel oneself or touch anyone else, in a sexual manner, is non-existence. It sucks. I am writing this to try to create a bridge of understanding. I appreciate everyone's opinion on this forum and hope that you all better understand what she means. I also hope that I didn't confuse you all. Hello and welcome - So I'm going to be a bit of jerk here. Your amputation reference is moot, because if I wasn't using my finger and someone I loved could use it, I'd give it to them. Your puberty reference is moot. Because we DO know about sex. Both partners. So although the "desire" may no longer be there because of medical reasons, the "knowledge" is there, for both partners. Here's the "jerk" part. Why are you willing to deny a need to your partner? Find a "workaround". Find out what works for you both. Find a connection. Try. Find a compromise. Make an arrangement. Even if you are simply holding the toy for her, or her you. Sex and intimacy can be creative and "non-traditional" IF it works for both partners. Don't say "I don't work sorry, you're now celibate" Not without trying. Not if both partners love each other and are willing to try. wewbwb I appreciate your comments. I probably should have been more clear about my present situation, as I am no longer suffering from the "disconnection" that I described in my post. So technically, I am not denying my partner anything. I do appreciate your advice though because it got me thinking about other ways to accommodate my fiance and make her feel more comfortable.
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Post by wewbwb on Oct 13, 2016 15:42:52 GMT -5
miggs29 Thank you for taking it as I meant it. I totally understand that a medical issue can change the sex of a marriage. No problem so far. Is it a permanent condition? Is there a workaround? What I object to - and this is JUST me - is that ONE partner has decided the sexual outcome for the couple. Without discussion. Without at least trying to accommodate the partner. That is what I object to.
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Post by baza on Oct 13, 2016 16:08:32 GMT -5
Miggs29. In regard to your intended missus, you note - " She has told me that she has no interest in sex and does not like it" - And in regard to yourself, you aren't all that interested either. - So what's the problem ? It sounds like you are well matched. - The problems arise in relationships when there is a big mismatch. Someone who likes and values rooting matched with someone who does not. - If you both like rooting and value it, there's a match. If you both don't like rooting, and don't value it, there's a match. - Neither is better (or worse) than the other. A match is a match.
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