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Post by bballgirl on Jun 22, 2016 21:23:43 GMT -5
You know, these outsourcing threads really bother me because I'm not planning to do it. That said, I don't want to judge those who do because I have not walked a mile in their shoes and I totally get that there are cases where it might be a legitimate choice. So, though it's not my thing, I'll reserve judgment. BUT, and this is a big 'but' (IMHO), if you DO outsource, it is truly over. There is no way, no how, you could ever get a refuser to un-refuse once you've outsourced. At least I can't fathom that ever happening. I believe that once you have outsourced, there is no turning back. The marriage can never function at an optimal level. So, I guess I would say, just be aware of that. Outsourcing is a throwing down of the proverbial gauntlet. It's a major blow to trust that most likely will never be recovered. Exercise caution if you have even a shred of hope left that the marriage will work. I guess that's where I'm coming from here. Apparently, I still have a shred of hope that H will come around to my LOVE super powers. H will see the light. H will be the H I want/need him to be. Sigh. I don't actively think of myself as an optimist - I have too much anxiety about life in general (that's anxiety with a small 'a'), but when I write these things, I can see I am a hopeless case. Carry on! @elle For me, this is true. My affair put me over the edge. My marriage is truly over. Why would I have slept with this guy if I had hope for my marriage? I would never have. There is no turning back for me now. Same for me, I was totally done before I outsourced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 21:57:20 GMT -5
bballgirl and ggold, I guess that makes sense. Being sure you are done before outsourcing and then getting out. I get it. I do. Being rejected hurts and it's just so very hard to deal with constant rejection. I got reset sex not long ago but lately, all I'm getting is "later," "in a few days," "next week." This is how it all began - the refusing. Sigh. It just makes me feel so very undesirable. Just going to keep working on ME. I'm all I've got.
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Post by ggold on Jun 22, 2016 22:12:00 GMT -5
bballgirl and ggold, I guess that makes sense. Being sure you are done before outsourcing and then getting out. I get it. I do. Being rejected hurts and it's just so very hard to deal with constant rejection. I got reset sex not long ago but lately, all I'm getting is "later," "in a few days," "next week." This is how it all began - the refusing. Sigh. It just makes me feel so very undesirable. Just going to keep working on ME. I'm all I've got. @elle. I am where I am now because I have worked so hard on ME for years!! I am going to continue to do so!! You have the right attitude!! ((Hugs))
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 22:47:56 GMT -5
[quote author=" ggold" source="/post/19965/thread" @elle. I am where I am now because I have worked so hard on ME for years!! I am going to continue to do so!! You have the right attitude!! ((Hugs))[/quote][ Thanks G, I needed that.
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Post by needtoresolve on Jul 21, 2016 16:16:24 GMT -5
Outsourcing seems fraught with hazards to me and at the same time it beckons. I want to save some kind of positive relationship with my spouse. I do think that if I outsourced behind her back, it would end up breaking things irreparably. On the other hand, if the relationship is that fragile, it's already broken. So there's a debate with no ending.
At any rate, my preference would be for my spouse at least to know it was happening because I had told her it was going to happen, not because she found some email or hotel slip kicking around. (I'd like to fly by flapping my arms too).
The worry for me is that I can do some real harm. Forget about what is fair; none of this is fair. It's more that I'm not in need of another relationship; I need a friend who. needs. sex. A fnckbnndy.
Not complicated, right? Well, maybe not so fast. First, if I find a mutual attraction strong enough for us to get juicy, then we're going to end up caring for each other. Probably a whole lot, because for me this is a big deal. Someone who would help me with this is being pretty compassionate. I'm not going to be attracted to someone I pick off the bar floor at 3 AM anyway - it would be someone with whom I already have a connection. So there's a risk that one thing will turn into something else. That "something else" isn't on my bucket list.
Given that significant potential, how can my attentions to a potential AP really be fair to her? For that matter, how can it be fair to me? Can I feel comfortable asking someone to step into my life, join me in getting wet and sloppy for an hour and then just walk out? Once, twice, sure. But how about for six months or a year? That does build a relationship based on mutual need, but what is that relationship really going to end up like? Does anger and resentment build when you know from the outset that you will never be "that person" for the partner you've been working up a sex sweat with for half a year? Seems inherently manipulative to me.
Of course, if the marriage is dead before you make the first call, it doesn't really matter. Whatever the result ends up being, the whole thing is simpler as the harm has already happened. What makes it difficult, and maybe impossible, is the notion that I don't want to cause harm in my present relationship, but I need to mitigate the harm that is being done to me, whether by intention or not.
I suppose that after I surround three Scots single malts, this whole thing will not seem as complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 16:40:46 GMT -5
Outsourcing seems fraught with hazards to me and at the same time it beckons. I want to save some kind of positive relationship with my spouse. I do think that if I outsourced behind her back, it would end up breaking things irreparably. On the other hand, if the relationship is that fragile, it's already broken. So there's a debate with no ending. Dude, if you're considering adultery (that's what it used to be called), your relationship is already dead -- at least to you it is. No marriage is non-fragile enough to survive such a thing. Real Marriages are built on trust and intimacy that is destroyed by that breach of trust. Regarding the rest of your post: Looks like you pretty much nailed it. Inconsistencies at every turn. Enough to turn your mind inside-out. I'm not shaming you or anything, but it's always best to think about these things in rational terms and not try to delude ourselves. So, get out there and kick it free-style!
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 21, 2016 18:17:45 GMT -5
Outsourcing seems fraught with hazards to me and at the same time it beckons. I want to save some kind of positive relationship with my spouse. I do think that if I outsourced behind her back, it would end up breaking things irreparably. On the other hand, if the relationship is that fragile, it's already broken. So there's a debate with no ending. At any rate, my preference would be for my spouse at least to know it was happening because I had told her it was going to happen, not because she found some email or hotel slip kicking around. (I'd like to fly by flapping my arms too). The worry for me is that I can do some real harm. Forget about what is fair; none of this is fair. It's more that I'm not in need of another relationship; I need a friend who. needs. sex. A fnckbnndy. Not complicated, right? Well, maybe not so fast. First, if I find a mutual attraction strong enough for us to get juicy, then we're going to end up caring for each other. Probably a whole lot, because for me this is a big deal. Someone who would help me with this is being pretty compassionate. I'm not going to be attracted to someone I pick off the bar floor at 3 AM anyway - it would be someone with whom I already have a connection. So there's a risk that one thing will turn into something else. That "something else" isn't on my bucket list. Given that significant potential, how can my attentions to a potential AP really be fair to her? For that matter, how can it be fair to me? Can I feel comfortable asking someone to step into my life, join me in getting wet and sloppy for an hour and then just walk out? Once, twice, sure. But how about for six months or a year? That does build a relationship based on mutual need, but what is that relationship really going to end up like? Does anger and resentment build when you know from the outset that you will never be "that person" for the partner you've been working up a sex sweat with for half a year? Seems inherently manipulative to me. Of course, if the marriage is dead before you make the first call, it doesn't really matter. Whatever the result ends up being, the whole thing is simpler as the harm has already happened. What makes it difficult, and maybe impossible, is the notion that I don't want to cause harm in my present relationship, but I need to mitigate the harm that is being done to me, whether by intention or not. I suppose that after I surround three Scots single malts, this whole thing will not seem as complicated. I outsourced on and off with one man the last year and a half of my marriage. For me my marriage was already dead. There was no way in hell I would ever get intimate with my husband again. The years of rejection took a pricey toll. I am your girl next door. Last person anyone in my circle of friends would think is having an affair. Some points you bring up: The risk of being caught- I did not care one iota if I was caught. I was smart enough to make sure I wasn't caught. I didn't want to make my husband feel bad or flaunt anything. It was my own discreet experience that I did the first time and didn't know if I'd do it again. Then after that we were in a hotel room 4 days later so we really clicked. It continued it was a Summer Fling in 2014 and ended that August. Zero contact for 8 months then I contacted him June 2015, we were in a hotel the next day and we are lovers. Telling her and being upfront- My AP's wife knows. They have an open marriage. So it does exist. I'm personally of the belief if you do something not morally right then keep it to yourself. Fairness/ Emotions- when you enter a relationship and outsource rules need to be established from the beginning. My AP told me from the beginning he would never divorce. I understand, I was married at the same time too. Planned to be married a few more years but pressed the ejection sooner. We have sex, it's intimate, it's passionate, whatever it is, it's a form of happiness. Some people a decadent dessert, a nice glass of wine - brings happiness into their life, for me it's fucking this man. If having sex would make you happy, don't you deserve to be happy? There's a Latin saying - Fortune Favors the Bold. I try to live my life by this motto. We have one life, it's ours, we own it, live it to the fullest!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 18:33:34 GMT -5
There's a Latin saying - Fortune Favors the Bold. I thought Edna Mode said that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 18:41:33 GMT -5
Ha ha . @ Bballgirl I am another in the "seems least likely to outsource" group. I look innocent. My ex even says I am incapable of lying. That used to be true and largely still is.
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 21, 2016 18:58:04 GMT -5
There's a Latin saying - Fortune Favors the Bold. I thought Edna Mode said that. Ha! She was Japanese! My favorite line by her, "I never look back darling, it distracts from the now". Fortune favors the bold is an old Latin proverb, she may have said it!
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 21, 2016 19:06:51 GMT -5
Ha ha . @ Bballgirl I am another in the "seems least likely to outsource" group. I look innocent. My ex even says I am incapable of lying. That used to be true and largely still is. Yeah me and my AP use the fact that I look so sweet and innocent, such a good girl and then I show up at the hotel to be so naughty as a turn on. Sometimes we talk about it while we are being naughty. Good girls being naughty is so much sexier than a slut being naughty, there's no surprise or mystery with that! Rock on good girls!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 20:10:10 GMT -5
I thought Edna Mode said that. Ha! She was Japanese! My favorite line by her, "I never look back darling, it distracts from the now". Fortune favors the bold is an old Latin proverb, she may have said it! Yup. Edna Mode. That's one together chick. "NO CAPES!". "Fine, I'll fix the hobo suit."
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 21, 2016 20:16:11 GMT -5
Ha! She was Japanese! My favorite line by her, "I never look back darling, it distracts from the now". Fortune favors the bold is an old Latin proverb, she may have said it! Yup. Edna Mode. That's one together chick. "NO CAPES!". "Fine, I'll fix the hobo suit." Totally had it together!! Very wise! She did say "Luck favors the prepared!" which as far as this place it speaks to taking the time to hammer out a good exit strategy which includes talking to an attorney. Yeah Edna is a trip!
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Post by worksforme2 on Jul 21, 2016 20:37:18 GMT -5
I run the risk of sounding like a real bast*rd revealing this, it's not something I am proud of, and I am not actually recommending you go this route. But....im my late 20's(and still single) I spent part of each year in my home town where I graduated high school. A number of my classmates who married remained and settled in that town. I had occasion when I was in town to spend the weekends at parties and get togethers and I got to know their spouses very well. The end result was that I had sex with several of the wives. In my defense I never initiated any of the affairs but I rarely said no when the ladies made it clear to me they were looking for more than friendship. So if you have a circle of friends or a group that you socialize with you might consider carefully flirting a bit with the women you are closer to. It's much easier getting a woman into your bed when she knows you and trusts you. You don't have to actually proposition her, just make sure she knows you are available and interested and let her do the rest.
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Post by DryCreek on Jul 21, 2016 21:10:39 GMT -5
worksforme2, my divorced brother seems to have mastered this technique as the "discreet pecker" amongst his circle of female friends.
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