Missingout
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Post by Missingout on Jan 5, 2024 10:15:37 GMT -5
I will share my story.... i only had sex with spouse ... when he decided it was over part medical part he was ashamed by losing it midway ect... totally OK but he thinks it is embarrassing etc. when i met someone on another site who was in a sexless marriage .. we discussed many things .he asked me if i took care of myself gave me links to read about not a how to but explaining some items ......i found that worked ... i never had before had no need.... spoke to spouse about including vibrator or something as a couple to take stress off him etc he took it as if i had one he was off the hook for everything and bought me a gift card to pick something out was non refundable so i bought it. This use and exploring what i like or might like to try .... increased my libido by a lot.... and i have no outlet but a toy that you can not hold or kiss etc now my libido is through the roof and he is dead in that area. MAYBE if any of your wives learned more about themselves their attitude and libido would change .... even if they are older. Absolutely believe this 100%. Some woman don't know what gets them going because they do not explore themselves. My wife does not like to talk about this subject. I have told her many times that I love watching her masturbate and she thinks it's gross. Definitely not comfortable with her body no matter my input. Been with confident woman who knows what they like and will gladly tell you what they like or how to do it.
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Post by aquacat on Jan 5, 2024 11:27:15 GMT -5
I will share my story.... i only had sex with spouse ... when he decided it was over part medical part he was ashamed by losing it midway ect... totally OK but he thinks it is embarrassing etc. when i met someone on another site who was in a sexless marriage .. we discussed many things .he asked me if i took care of myself gave me links to read about not a how to but explaining some items ......i found that worked ... i never had before had no need.... spoke to spouse about including vibrator or something as a couple to take stress off him etc he took it as if i had one he was off the hook for everything and bought me a gift card to pick something out was non refundable so i bought it. This use and exploring what i like or might like to try .... increased my libido by a lot.... and i have no outlet but a toy that you can not hold or kiss etc now my libido is through the roof and he is dead in that area. MAYBE if any of your wives learned more about themselves their attitude and libido would change .... even if they are older. Absolutely believe this 100%. Some woman don't know what gets them going because they do not explore themselves. My wife does not like to talk about this subject. I have told her many times that I love watching her masturbate and she thinks it's gross. Definitely not comfortable with her body no matter my input. Been with confident woman who knows what they like and will gladly tell you what they like or how to do it. I can totally relate as this is my wife too. She is not comfortable with her body even with losing weight and she's always making comments about how bad this is or how ugly that is and she also thinks masturbating is gross.
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Post by lonelyhubby on Jan 7, 2024 16:04:50 GMT -5
Made some more headway last night (long exhausting talk into the wee hours of the morning). She apologized for invalidating my need for sex - straight up apologized after trying to say my need for it was not important, etc... Then we have a deep discussion regarding where she was and exactly what the issue is that turned her off sex (was it me, was it something else) She indicated that she changed and just no longer connects with wanting sex. As I suspected, she admitted the Prozac (80mg per day for migraines) may have something to do with it, that and a culmination of PTSD from all of the kids for 15 years straight full time, and just crashing mentally and physically. She even discussed perhaps looking at alternatives, and working to get back to not being off sex - but no dates for this are established. she also said the last couple of times we did it years ago, she didn't want it and did not enjoy it at all, but that was not due to me - just her disconnection and lack of desire, and generally becoming put off by any sex, etc.. Around the same time we entered SM territory, she starts Prozac (was at over 150mg per day) the 22 year old step son chose to bring drugs into the house, got kicked out which severed the relationship with his Mother and myself, her father dies a few months later and the special needs from our kids all came to a spectacular head (while I was of course working 70+ hours a week) - so that hit her hard and as she explained it, she is trying to get clear from all the stress and mental overload
I figured it's been SM almost 7 years, we are starting counseling with a marriage and sex therapist in about 6 weeks - no need to push it yet. She said she wants to cuddle and keep connected as she continues to work through this - and acknowledged that my actions have been helpful, she feels much better about this and that if she can change away from it, she is working to change back to whatever degree we can get to (very non-specific). I again confronted her about the lack of kissing, and she said she wasn't put off by me, she just turned that off and got out of the habit, as that would lead to sex and confrontation. I told her she needs to work on starting up again with kissing and that may help with responsive desire. I am sure our therapist is going to agree with me - I have already been speaking with her about this - she is very much a "sex is mandatory in marriage" kind of person.
Not sure of this will just become more bread crumbs, or positive steps towards reconciliation. Time will tell.
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m76
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Post by m76 on Jan 7, 2024 17:14:38 GMT -5
Made some more headway last night (long exhausting talk into the wee hours of the morning). She apologized for invalidating my need for sex - straight up apologized after trying to say my need for it was not important, etc... Then we have a deep discussion regarding where she was and exactly what the issue is that turned her off sex (was it me, was it something else) She indicated that she changed and just no longer connects with wanting sex. As I suspected, she admitted the Prozac (80mg per day for migraines) may have something to do with it, that and a culmination of PTSD from all of the kids for 15 years straight full time, and just crashing mentally and physically. She even discussed perhaps looking at alternatives, and working to get back to not being off sex - but no dates for this are established. she also said the last couple of times we did it years ago, she didn't want it and did not enjoy it at all, but that was not due to me - just her disconnection and lack of desire, and generally becoming put off by any sex, etc.. Around the same time we entered SM territory, she starts Prozac (was at over 150mg per day) the 22 year old step son chose to bring drugs into the house, got kicked out which severed the relationship with his Mother and myself, her father dies a few months later and the special needs from our kids all came to a spectacular head (while I was of course working 70+ hours a week) - so that hit her hard and as she explained it, she is trying to get clear from all the stress and mental overload I figured it's been SM almost 7 years, we are starting counseling with a marriage and sex therapist in about 6 weeks - no need to push it yet. She said she wants to cuddle and keep connected as she continues to work through this - and acknowledged that my actions have been helpful, she feels much better about this and that if she can change away from it, she is working to change back to whatever degree we can get to (very non-specific). I again confronted her about the lack of kissing, and she said she wasn't put off by me, she just turned that off and got out of the habit, as that would lead to sex and confrontation. I told her she needs to work on starting up again with kissing and that may help with responsive desire. I am sure our therapist is going to agree with me - I have already been speaking with her about this - she is very much a "sex is mandatory in marriage" kind of person. Not sure of this will just become more bread crumbs, or positive steps towards reconciliation. Time will tell. "She wants to cuddle." Have you guys cuddled? When I talked to my wife she had said she would be open to massages but she has not yet initiated and pushes me away if I even put a hand on her. I'm very much of the opinion that actions speak louder then words. If there seems to be any progress you could at least feel that she cares about you enough to make the effort.
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Post by lonelyhubby on Jan 7, 2024 17:21:18 GMT -5
Yes - we have cuddled a lot, she has fallen asleep on me, caressed me, back rubbed, head rubbed - held hands, etc.. A lot in the last 2 weeks. But adamantly no sex or anything sexual at this time. She says she simply is not there and adds "yet". No pun intended, but I hope it isn't hopium.
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Post by m76 on Jan 7, 2024 17:47:49 GMT -5
Yes - we have cuddled a lot, she has fallen asleep on me, caressed me, back rubbed, head rubbed - held hands, etc.. A lot in the last 2 weeks. But adamantly no sex or anything sexual at this time. She says she simply is not there and adds "yet". No pun intended, but I hope it isn't hopium. Good luck man.
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Post by lonelyhubby on Jan 7, 2024 18:02:01 GMT -5
Thanks. A lot of work ahead, regardless of how it turns out, you know?
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Post by week5of35years on Jan 8, 2024 3:56:46 GMT -5
Good luck with the journey...
One thing my W had a problem with (well a couple) was that a) if we "started" doing something intimate she wanted to be ok to say stop at any given point without really pissing me off... eg. foreplay, maybe orgasm, but no move on to PIV sex without it causing a big row... and b) she just doesn't have much of a sex drive but she has great orgasms and really responds to touch and intimacy. example, Sunday we wake up and she is not interested, I knew because she grabbed my hand that maybe had wandered from her neck to her breast.... but then she said, "mmm.... ok" and I played with her which was great fun for me and she had a few nice orgasms... back out when we started my journey in Oct '23, her grabbing my hand would have stopped things cold... but now even she is recognising that not being "panting horny" does not mean we cannot do some things that she will really enjoy....
hope it works out for you LH
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Post by mirrororchid on Jan 8, 2024 5:52:28 GMT -5
Yes - we have cuddled a lot, she has fallen asleep on me, caressed me, back rubbed, head rubbed - held hands, etc.. A lot in the last 2 weeks. But adamantly no sex or anything sexual at this time. She says she simply is not there and adds "yet". No pun intended, but I hope it isn't hopium. Sounds like you'll have checked off the box that says "Non-sexual physical intimacy." If she runs out of boxes to check, she may need individual time with the marriage/sex counselor and a deadline. Divorce or outsource. Unless you can ultimately handle the stay and accept route. Endless hopium is what leads people to ILIASM and indicates a need for something else. What is the SM equivalent of fentanyl? (too dark?)
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Post by lonelyhubby on Jan 8, 2024 6:56:40 GMT -5
Yeah, boxes being checked - I have already spoken with the marriage counselor - essentially she is going to have to stop the stonewalling regarding getting her real hormone levels checked and address the issue accordingly (not this bullshit my OBGYN is one of the best and he says I am fine routine), however if the hormone levs come back OK (which 99.99% sure they won't), then she is going to have to address the issue individually or we divorce - plain and simple. I lover her dearly, but I can't live the rest of my life without kisses and sexual intimacy.
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Post by aquacat on Jan 8, 2024 12:48:03 GMT -5
Sounds like some progress forward there lonelyhubby My wife likes cuddling and wants me to rub on her back and massage her sore muscles. She knows physical touch is my 1st love language but don't get any of the rubbing or massaging on me unless I ask. She never just initiates that either and it makes me sad to even think that my wife doesn't do these things for me unless asked. I know it's just who she is and I have to accept that for a bit anyway.
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Post by angeleyes65 on Jan 10, 2024 14:21:56 GMT -5
That anger was my catalyst for getting out. The fact that it wasn't all good but the sex...it all sucked. Living with someone that doesn't care about your wants and needs. Being a maid, accountant, personal secretary and chef to a room mate that you don't like.
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Post by aquacat on Jan 10, 2024 21:46:22 GMT -5
I’m the main income earner, handyman, father, and chore runner in my house. I really don’t feel like a husband to her, more like a roommate and co parent.
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Post by toughtiger on Jan 15, 2024 10:08:05 GMT -5
That anger was my catalyst for getting out. The fact that it wasn't all good but the sex...it all sucked. Living with someone that doesn't care about your wants and needs. Being a maid, accountant, personal secretary and chef to a room mate that you don't like. exactly i could put up with many things when our sex life was good as it got worse still able to let small things go ... now it is gone nope every little annoyance and problem intensified. IT all boils down to your sentence. "Living with someone that doesn't care about your wants and needs. Being a maid, accountant, personal secretary and chef to a room mate that you don't like." For Some unexplained reason he is trying harder in some areas but too little too late and still not improvement in the right areas. he has tried to help more around house... but burns things IF he cooks etc. i am torn sometimes it is no longer about "the talk " but just want him to KNOW i am not OK with things... i go to bed early often for "self care" time as i sleep better afterwards and he is always stay up ... for What? watching you play video games and watch bad TV... or worse yet movies with sex scenes to rub in what i am missing. Honestly I debate in just telling him "sorry i have an appointment with my vibrator sit there like a lump and do what ever you do."
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Post by m76 on Jan 15, 2024 10:26:25 GMT -5
That anger was my catalyst for getting out. The fact that it wasn't all good but the sex...it all sucked. Living with someone that doesn't care about your wants and needs. Being a maid, accountant, personal secretary and chef to a room mate that you don't like. exactly i could put up with many things when our sex life was good as it got worse still able to let small things go ... now it is gone nope every little annoyance and problem intensified. IT all boils down to your sentence. "Living with someone that doesn't care about your wants and needs. Being a maid, accountant, personal secretary and chef to a room mate that you don't like." For Some unexplained reason he is trying harder in some areas but too little too late and still not improvement in the right areas. he has tried to help more around house... but burns things IF he cooks etc. i am torn sometimes it is no longer about "the talk " but just want him to KNOW i am not OK with things... i go to bed early often for "self care" time as i sleep better afterwards and he is always stay up ... for What? watching you play video games and watch bad TV... or worse yet movies with sex scenes to rub in what i am missing. Honestly I debate in just telling him "sorry i have an appointment with my vibrator sit there like a lump and do what ever you do." I was surprised at how much sex scenes in movies bother me too. I usually end up fast forwarding or depending on the mood or just turning it off. This is the same with my wife's books. Recently I was with a group of friends at a pub and one of them got a phone call from his wife that he needed to come home and one of the other people at the table started going on about how he's "getting some" and he better go quick.. they kept this up as he's finishing his drink and getting ready to head out. I had to leave shortly after as my mood had soured knowing that other people consider sex normal and I was probably the only person at the table not getting any.
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