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Post by m76 on Dec 7, 2023 10:30:43 GMT -5
This is the problem, in most cases going back to those basics might make your partner more comfortable and would help create an environment where they may want to initiate or be open to additional contact. In my case since she's asexual, it doesn't matter what I do she simply will not progress beyond simple kissing. I haven't even had a long deep fench kiss in years. Petting or anything under the clothes will not ever happen. It doesn't make me want to put any effort into the relationship but she will complain that I'm distant if I'm not trying. I would disagree with your statement that "in most cases" going back to basics would make a partner fel more comfortable initiating. I ahve yet to read here that those who have done counselling have experienced "in most cases", a reversal in the refusing partner, and a new willingness to initiate intimacy. agreed, I did say "might". Just pointing out that it isn't even a possibility for me.
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Post by miestas on Dec 7, 2023 11:17:23 GMT -5
Pretty much everybody is the hero of their own story. Even Jeffrey Dahmer reportedly thought of himself as a nice guy. So no one going to therapy thinks they are the villain or are unjustified in their actions. So, I don’t see therapy as a viable medium for couples. In my experience, you have several outcomes, none of which address the real problem.
The therapist picks a side in the argument.
One or both of the parties refuse to even acknowledge they have a problem.
One or both of the parties capitulate in the session, but only to please the therapist, and make no real effort to change their behavior, because they don’t see what they are doing as something wrong - it’s the other person at fault.
The therapy reaches an “impasse” - there’s that word again - after many costly sessions and you realize that you went in a circle with no change in the problem.
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Post by Missingout on Dec 7, 2023 12:00:51 GMT -5
Now that would really be dependent on what the counselor/therapist had to say. If the advise is to go back to dating 101 and act like high school kids with the just petting and some kissing maybe. Or just cuddling, i don't see that helping anyone but the refuser to string things out even longer. And there would be no getting out of jail. This is the problem, in most cases going back to those basics might make your partner more comfortable and would help create an environment where they may want to initiate or be open to additional contact. In my case since she's asexual, it doesn't matter what I do she simply will not progress beyond simple kissing. I haven't even had a long deep fench kiss in years. Petting or anything under the clothes will not ever happen. It doesn't make me want to put any effort into the relationship but she will complain that I'm distant if I'm not trying. I would bring this up at first session that she is asexual. And don't let the therapist go anywhere beyond that statement and see what therapists says then. It may be your first and last session but you tried. Is there a cure for someone that is asexual? They call alcoholism a disease..hell any addiction is a disease. Bullshit... Cancer is a disease the prior are all choices... No one can change my mind. My choice.
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Post by northstarmom on Dec 7, 2023 12:34:37 GMT -5
Asking, "Is there a cure for asexuality," is like asking, "Is there a cure for being sexual?" I'd bet that the asexual partner wishes there were a cure for their partner's sexuality. In reality, however, the "cure" is that since the two people are incompatible as romantic partners they should end or open their marriage. Couples therapy isn't going to change this situation. Individual therapy would help the sexual partner realize that they are never going to have a mutually fulfilling sex life with their partner. Accepting that fact would allow them to make a decision that would give them the kind of life they want.
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Post by m76 on Dec 7, 2023 14:01:41 GMT -5
I have no expectations for the couples counciling resolving any of the issues. I figure it can't make things worse when I'm already certain I'm leaving. My individual therapist recommended it as something that could help bring closure.
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Post by lonelyhubby on Dec 14, 2023 9:55:04 GMT -5
I could really use a friend today. I am feeling down right now and it’s not something I can talk with my wife about because it’s about her. I made the mistake of trying to give her strong hints last night that I wanted us to have sex and she of course rejected it as she was too tired, yet I made these hints known in the early evening. I tried again this morning as I woke up extra in the mood and she flat out rejected it. Now it’s not convenient because of that time during the month which of course means nothing, nada, no alternative, zilch. I have no one to talk to. I completely understand where you are - approaching 7 years of no sex and open discussion regarding the rejection, and how that effects our relationship. She says it's not about me, but denying physical touch to someone you say you love is not love and incredibly selfish. My recommendation, don't let it drag on and become the lifestyle - otherwise you will be facing an insurmountable challenge in getting back to intimacy. Women rely on men not speaking about this openly because they would look emasculated, they get to hide their little secret and abuse - While men act like an abused spouse and make excuses for the abuse just like a battered wife does. I am approaching the point where I am going to openly start saying what the problem is to her family and all of our friends and let her deal with the WTF are you doing situation. Of course this will result in divorce, but forced celibacy is not a love relationship either.
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Post by h on Dec 17, 2023 14:15:52 GMT -5
I could really use a friend today. I am feeling down right now and it’s not something I can talk with my wife about because it’s about her. I made the mistake of trying to give her strong hints last night that I wanted us to have sex and she of course rejected it as she was too tired, yet I made these hints known in the early evening. I tried again this morning as I woke up extra in the mood and she flat out rejected it. Now it’s not convenient because of that time during the month which of course means nothing, nada, no alternative, zilch. I have no one to talk to. I completely understand where you are - approaching 7 years of no sex and open discussion regarding the rejection, and how that effects our relationship. She says it's not about me, but denying physical touch to someone you say you love is not love and incredibly selfish. My recommendation, don't let it drag on and become the lifestyle - otherwise you will be facing an insurmountable challenge in getting back to intimacy. Women rely on men not speaking about this openly because they would look emasculated, they get to hide their little secret and abuse - While men act like an abused spouse and make excuses for the abuse just like a battered wife does. I am approaching the point where I am going to openly start saying what the problem is to her family and all of our friends and let her deal with the WTF are you doing situation. Of course this will result in divorce, but forced celibacy is not a love relationship either. I haven't told many people in real life and I don't plan to. I want to keep things civil as long as possible. When I eventually decide to get the divorce, I will probably use this information as leverage. If she offers me a peaceful, fair divorce then "we just aren't compatible and we're going our separate ways." If she wants to ruin me for years to come then everyone will know why I'm leaving.
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Post by greatcoastal on Dec 17, 2023 17:20:49 GMT -5
" If she wants to ruin me for years to come then everyone will know why I'm leaving.
I honestly,truly,hope this works in your favor!!
However my years of experience shows that the only person who's going to deeply care or be interested in this will 'most likely' be your next intimate partner. Also so they can openly share their experiences with you and the two of you can 'connect' on how you've healed from your past trauma, as you move forward together.( I mean, who wants to make those mistakes again? Right?)
Other than that, most people could care less, have enough of their own problems, and will quickly drink the cool aid they're given.
The other SM spouse can/will manipulate conversations (like they've been a master at for years with you) by simply dismissing facts ,change the subject and start interjecting random lies and feelings.
Such as : I tried and he/she was never available. They where addicted to porn and cheated on me with porn. They are always mad and angry. They instigated the divorce. It was all about the money. I wasn't happy. I had to do everything! They where never around when I needed them. They worked all the time. etc... etc...
Then they get "green grass syndrome" go out and hit the wall, and secretly wish they had you back!
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Post by m76 on Dec 19, 2023 9:55:21 GMT -5
With our first couples therapy session scheduled for today. My wife told me she's too tired for the 15 minute intro session. I guess that's it.
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Post by Missingout on Dec 19, 2023 10:24:29 GMT -5
With our first couples therapy session scheduled for today. My wife told me she's too tired for the 15 minute intro session. I guess that's it. Damm sorry brother... I guess that is it. Let's you know she doesn't care to work things out. Your better off. Start the exit plans and here is to a happier future without her...
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Post by worksforme2 on Dec 19, 2023 10:27:34 GMT -5
With our first couples therapy session scheduled for today. My wife told me she's too tired for the 15 minute intro session. I guess that's it. I think this screams out that your W is not of the mindset that there is anything to be gained in therapy. She apparently has what she wants in you as a celibate room mate taking care of the bills and the chores. I never tried therapy because the closest therapist was about 50 miles away and the 1st appointment I could get was months away. Reading here it seems that therapy has little in the way to recommend it, at least for a SM. Now you have to decide on a game plan going forward. Stay and endure, stay and outsource or part company. Seems it almost always comes back to the 3 choices in a SM.
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Post by greatcoastal on Dec 19, 2023 11:59:37 GMT -5
With our first couples therapy session scheduled for today. My wife told me she's too tired for the 15 minute intro session. I guess that's it. Amazing how "awake" she'll be with the first 15 minutes of hearing from your divorce attorney.
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Post by m76 on Dec 19, 2023 13:18:57 GMT -5
With our first couples therapy session scheduled for today. My wife told me she's too tired for the 15 minute intro session. I guess that's it. Amazing how "awake" she'll be with the first 15 minutes of hearing from your divorce attorney. In all fairness, she has no motivation for this. Everything is fine for her, I'm the one that feels like an important part of being married is missing. There really isn't anything for her to gain by going to these. I was already pretty sure that this would just be closure on my side. I guess the divorce will be closure enough.
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Post by northstarmom on Dec 19, 2023 16:02:25 GMT -5
aquacat said: "Women rely on men not speaking about this openly because they would look emasculated, they get to hide their little secret and abuse - While men act like an abused spouse and make excuses for the abuse just like a battered wife does. "
Men who are refusers also rely on women not to speak openly about this. After all, society thinks that all men are horndogs ready for sex all of the time. Rejected women fear that if they talk openly about their sexless marriages, others will think something is wrong with the woman. Maybe she is awful in bed or has some kind of horrible odor, or maybe she is some kind of nympho.
It was only when I started speaking openly about this to close women friends that I learned that I was normal to want sex; something was wrong with my husband for denying me sex for years; and the situation of going years without sex wasn't something that most of my women friends would have tolerated. Yes, they thought it was reason to be unhappy or even to leave the marriage.
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Post by mirrororchid on Dec 19, 2023 20:06:52 GMT -5
Amazing how "awake" she'll be with the first 15 minutes of hearing from your divorce attorney. In all fairness, she has no motivation for this. Everything is fine for her, I'm the one that feels like an important part of being married is missing. There really isn't anything for her to gain by going to these. I was already pretty sure that this would just be closure on my side. I guess the divorce will be closure enough. greatcoastal offered a video by PsychHacks about couples therapy. You path forward may include some of what Dr. Taraban has to say: iliasm.org/thread/6546/couples-therapy-never-works
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