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Post by baza on Oct 15, 2018 19:37:32 GMT -5
Among the assorted things you've got going for you Sister surfergirl is the biggy...... ..... if your methods (whatever format they may be) of sourcing a bloke turn up a good one, you are available...... That was not the case a few months ago so you have removed one huge hurdle out of the way, and that, is no mean feat. Now, if/when the cards fall your way, you'll have a relatively clear run at it. So the first stand alone issue that was under your control - your availability for opportunity - has been successful. Maybe put a big tick in the 'win' column for this issue, and reflect on that for a bit.
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Post by elkclan2 on Oct 16, 2018 1:31:46 GMT -5
surfergirl - hey, you're welcome. Thanks for seeing it in the spirit in which it was intended! (See I can use sarcasm, too. And I don't really have any reason to be jealous, my life is going pretty good - yes, always some problems in some areas, but the direction is positive and I'm in a really supportive, joyful relationship.) There's more than one way to wallow! Sometimes people wallow in distraction or busyness. We all have our own coping mechanisms. It's good you're having fun. Do it - have a blast. But you honestly won't have time to consider your dates as people and potential partners if you're doing serial dating at that kind of speed. You might get lucky in there, I hope you do. But pausing and reflecting when making a decision that could affect the rest of your life and your children's lives isn't inefficiency. There is much more to you than what you've done or how you look. Hang on to that.
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Post by workingonit on Oct 16, 2018 8:21:08 GMT -5
elkclan2Wow. Thanks for the awesome support. Does anyone have anything positive to say like, “Hey, surfergirl, glad you didn’t wallow in deep depression and you’re getting outside instead of wallowing for years in your grief and Lifetime movies.” Anything have something to offer other than constant criticism or jealous ranting? Bueller? Bueller....? Hi! I think you are doing a great job! I have a sense that I want to play around when I finally get out. I think my aversion to the dating conversations is really an aversion to lookong for a relationship. I want time to play! Now I will say that did not originally sound like what you were looking for. The fact that on further reflection you are actually happy with your current playful, vibrant, quick paced life and dating is awesome. It seems to me you originally posted in a bit of a low moment, which is bound to happen in even the best lives. Perhaps the feedback, while a bit judgy, helped you clarify your current desires? Maybe? Either way I do think you are embracing life and working on yourself and it sounds pretty damn good from where I am sitting. Take what helps you grow and clarify. Leave the rest. ❤
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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 16, 2018 8:33:20 GMT -5
That's why I posted it. A good example of what's out there. I asked her to send me pictures of her "nursing" I asked her what college she went to? I asked her have you ever given a patient a catheter? She told me in her last response she would be coming home next wed. (could I pick her up) I said nothing else about that in my response. The response I received today answered none of my questions, and told me "we don't have a date yet for coming back home, but according to the schedule we are almost done here". I am waiting for the request for money. I have been emailing with another 35 yr old who had the same similar stories about her upbringing, only she went into greater length about her career and that she is on a business trip to Nigeria, how she has shows to do when she gets back home etc... and can't wait to get home and cook for me and get to know me. Then came the pictures of her bruises and stitches from getting robbed and beaten. Sure enough came the request for money. I returned an email to her with a business only tone,"money is something I am unable to loan out or give out at this time. Not like in the past. I have numerous debts of my own (and future expenses for my teens) I would look forward to speaking with you more in the future after I learn more about you. Please take a picture of your driver's license and send it to me. I can do the same for you. This way I can do a background check and verify. You can do the same." Think I'll here back from her? I don't expect any reply. I did learn of another way of verifying someone's identity. Everyone has a GPS on their phone, ask them to take a picture of it and send it to you. That will clarify that they are tuly where they say they are. You also are not giving someone your birthdate and mailing address.
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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 16, 2018 8:33:34 GMT -5
I've been on Tinder for 2 weeks + now I met a woman who lives a good 50 minute drive from me. She has issues ( don't we all) one of them is no transportation, but she's working on it. We have had daily phone and text conversations. There were enough things about her for me to want to make things work ( her age, her background, her marital status, etc..)
Here is my last email to her.
I offered to you:
My past, my present, and my future. my time, patience, and money ( traveling to see you, bringing you to see me, bringing you back home, buying you meals and things) Words of affirmation, compliments. Physical touch. Quality time. My undivided attention. My sympathy, concern and empathy for your physical and mental health. An opportunity to say "yes" to take a risk, to let your guard down, to open your heart a little at a time, to be your true self. An opportunity for a relationship with my family. My body, and for me to desire yours. Intimacy , through giving and receiving. Respect for your boundaries. The ability to date other men, and compare. An opportunity to learn more of what you truly want and need, in a relationship. My guidance and faith in God's word.
I have nothing left to offer.
You said "NO" to all of those things. All of it. Several times.
I can't and won't endure that again. The humiliation through the rejection is just not needed. I t leads me to depression.
I can't be your friend. I already offered that and you said " no". Being a friend means so much more to me. I've risked my life for total strangers before, so imagine what I have to offer to someone who will be my friend?
I am going to be a receiver, not just a giver. I want to hear from you again on my next birthday. A year from now. I think you need 4 seasons to decide what you want and need. All of this can go in one ear and out the other if you want it too. The choice is yours.
I gave you choices I have nothing left to offer.
It pains me deeply to type all this, I am doing this mostly for you and some for me. I hope I am planting a seed, and that it is in fertile soil. It's up to you to water it and take care of it-( find , ask and take support in the future, don't say no.)
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The same night I was rejected ,which happened to be my BD. Another woman liked me on Tinder. We ended up having 4 hrs of conversation.
I got to meet her for dinner last night.
I offered her all of the same things. She said "yes" to all of them and wants to offer me the same things in return.
She told me that I was the only one who hasn't sent her a photo of my manhood...she thanked me for that. She went on to say " you are the only guy I've met keeping it balanced!! 99% want to make it only about sex from hello and it's a quick goodbye from me."
More choices and more learning experiences, all from putting myself out there.
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Post by surfergirl on Oct 16, 2018 9:03:09 GMT -5
greatcoastalI want everything you said you were offering, but I would be very scared if someone offered me that much so soon. I’m not telling you that you are right or wrong; I’m just giving you feedback on how I’d react. It seems like a huge present — like a diamond ring — during our first month of getting to know one another.
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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 16, 2018 9:38:43 GMT -5
greatcoastal I want everything you said you were offering, but I would be very scared if someone offered me that much so soon. I’m not telling you that you are right or wrong; I’m just giving you feedback on how I’d react. It seems like a huge present — like a diamond ring — during our first month of getting to know one another. You are so right. I am trying to be more and more aware of that. ( we also spent weeks, hours and hours on the phone together, day after day) However, when you meet someone you mention little things. I open the door a little, and when that person shows and shares their past ,their vulnerabilities, i can't help but want to share mine too. The same with strengths, and positive ,happy things too! My way of sharing, "me too,, I can relate". or Oh yeah I could tell you a few stories, we can share that at another time. Or to say when the time is right i want to do this, or tell you more about that. So there's the "lay your card out on the table" approach along with the "trust yet verify". I am finding that people (woman) have trouble trusting. So it is more of my duty to prove that what I say is true. That also takes giving me an opportunity to show it through actions. I also have to lead by being open and vulnerable.I have to be the one to put myself out there for rejection. Then act like it's no big deal, and move on. So when I am not rejected, when a woman does say "yes" and begins to open her heart, it sets the stage for more. It's complicated isn't it!! Is sex all you want? Are you single? Are you a widow? Are you dating multiple people? What is your schedule? Are you expecting to move in with me? Are you financially independent? Do you have children? are you expecting me to be their mother/father? What is your relationship like with your ex? Why did you get divorced? Do you have a criminal record? Any addictions? Health issues? These are just the basics!! They all determine how you are going to treat this person, don't they? These questions can easily lead to diversions and other conversations. I may be all wrong about this, but... when a conversation gets going, and both people are being open ,it is a relief! It puts the relationship up a level. Too quickly? Maybe. Or is it a good test to see how easily they can be honest? Personally it takes a lot of effort, time and communication to get back to that point and level. You don't just meet a week later and say, " where did we stop at? Oh yeah" and go right back into trust mode. Some people are just dying to find someone who will understand, listen and relate. I think that's my responsibility in being an adult in my 50's. I hope I'm good at it after raising 6 kids. You are very good at that too! it's a very strong attribute that you have to offer.
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Post by shamwow on Oct 16, 2018 18:00:03 GMT -5
greatcoastal I want everything you said you were offering, but I would be very scared if someone offered me that much so soon. I’m not telling you that you are right or wrong; I’m just giving you feedback on how I’d react. It seems like a huge present — like a diamond ring — during our first month of getting to know one another. You are so right. I am trying to be more and more aware of that. ( we also spent weeks, hours and hours on the phone together, day after day) However, when you meet someone you mention little things. I open the door a little, and when that person shows and shares their past ,their vulnerabilities, i can't help but want to share mine too. The same with strengths, and positive ,happy things too! My way of sharing, "me too,, I can relate". or Oh yeah I could tell you a few stories, we can share that at another time. Or to say when the time is right i want to do this, or tell you more about that. So there's the "lay your card out on the table" approach along with the "trust yet verify". I am finding that people (woman) have trouble trusting. So it is more of my duty to prove that what I say is true. That also takes giving me an opportunity to show it through actions. I also have to lead by being open and vulnerable.I have to be the one to put myself out there for rejection. Then act like it's no big deal, and move on. So when I am not rejected, when a woman does say "yes" and begins to open her heart, it sets the stage for more. It's complicated isn't it!! Is sex all you want? Are you single? Are you a widow? Are you dating multiple people? What is your schedule? Are you expecting to move in with me? Are you financially independent? Do you have children? are you expecting me to be their mother/father? What is your relationship like with your ex? Why did you get divorced? Do you have a criminal record? Any addictions? Health issues? These are just the basics!! They all determine how you are going to treat this person, don't they? These questions can easily lead to diversions and other conversations. I may be all wrong about this, but... when a conversation gets going, and both people are being open ,it is a relief! It puts the relationship up a level. Too quickly? Maybe. Or is it a good test to see how easily they can be honest? Personally it takes a lot of effort, time and communication to get back to that point and level. You don't just meet a week later and say, " where did we stop at? Oh yeah" and go right back into trust mode. Some people are just dying to find someone who will understand, listen and relate. I think that's my responsibility in being an adult in my 50's. I hope I'm good at it after raising 6 kids. You are very good at that too! it's a very strong attribute that you have to offer. Those are the basics? It sounds more like an interrogation. What ever happened to "tell me about yourself" and let the conversation take a life of its own? You'll likely still get the answers to your questions and you'll get context, non verbals, and mannerisms to go along with them. Then make your own judgements as to whether you find them honest and trustworthy. But most important you can evaluate if there is any "there there".
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Post by worksforme2 on Oct 16, 2018 18:28:42 GMT -5
I'm in the boat with shamwow. I have thought from the beginning of this theme that the approach was too intrusive for the 1st or probably first couple of meets. If a woman was this intrusive in the early going with me, it's unlikely there would be more than one conversation.
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Post by surfergirl on Oct 16, 2018 19:14:23 GMT -5
I’m actually cutting one off on another window I have open on my computer screen because of the intensity and number of messages..... I feel stalked.
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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 16, 2018 19:16:54 GMT -5
Those are the basics? It sounds more like an interrogation. What ever happened to "tell me about yourself" and let the conversation take a life of its own. Yes those are basics. Things that you would hope to learn from "tell me about yourself". Now, obviously you have zero experience with being involved in today's email, text dating sights. Your own testimony on here proves that. I do have woman who tell me what it's like to talk with men on line. " hello, want to fuck?" So they don't want a conversation with them, they don't want to know any more about them.
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Post by northstarmom on Oct 16, 2018 19:53:47 GMT -5
GC said: " My past, my present, and my future. my time, patience, and money ( traveling to see you, bringing you to see me, bringing you back home, buying you meals and things) Words of affirmation, compliments. My undivided attention. My sympathy, concern and apathy for your physical and mental health. An opportunity to say "yes" to take a risk, to let your guard down, to open your heart a little at a time, to be your true self. An opportunity for a relationship with my family. My body, and for me to desire yours. Intimacy and respect for your boundaries. The ability to date other men, and compare.
An opportunity to learn more of what you truly want and need, in a relationship. My guidance and faith in God's word."
I agree with Surfergirl: That list is way too much to offer a person you hardly know. And texting and phone conversations over 2 weeks -- even if done a lot -- still don't mean you know a person. If a man sent that to me whom I'd never even met in person -- or if I'd just been dating him in person for a few weeks -- I'd be frightened that he was a stalker, and I'd end the relationship. Men and women who stalk say those kind of effusive promises tend to be people who think they have a closer relationship with another person than is true in reality,and they tend to become jealous and controlling. It would be more reasonable to be offering her a chance for a date and over drinks, coffee or lunch/dinner get to know each other in person.
GC also said: " It's complicated isn't it!! Is sex all you want? Are you single? Are you a widow? Are you dating multiple people? What is your schedule? Are you expecting to move in with me? Are you financially independent? Do you have children? are you expecting me to be their mother/father? What is your relationship like with your ex? Why did you get divorced? Do you have a criminal record? Any addictions? Health issues?"
Much of this is what one learns over the course of the first months of dating someone as you really get to know them and as they open up and learn to trust you and as you learn to trust them and open up. Pouring your heart out, revealing all of your secrets and vulnerabilities to someone you've known only for a few dates or the Internet is typically a mistake because there are many scammers, etc. who are far less obvious than the Nigerian ones you've run into, and whom you could end up in a very dysfunctional or exploitative relationship with if you don't take the time to really get to know them before fully opening up.
Also, a lot of the info on your list is what one can find out by Googling, something everyone should do before dating someone -- especially if you only know them through a dating app. People who appear to be very nice can have things in their past that are red flags. This can even be true of people one has known a long time. I was going to enter a business partnership with a friend of two years whom I had met when he was teaching meditation at a local Buddhist center. He had an outstanding professional reputation that included our both having pursued our profession at the same time in a different, distant city. I asked him to volunteer-- talking about his career-- with a youth group I was involved with. I was going to introduce him, so hours before his presentation I googled him to get specific details about his career. To my surprise, the first thing that came up was a news story of his being arrested about 5 years earlier for deliberately and drunkenly driving his car into the home of a woman whom he was dating. Anyway, I had no clue that he had that kind of temper or a police record or a history of drug/alcohol abuse.
Anyway, I've read that if one appears to be a good match with another person, after some texts and/or phone calls (and I add checking them out on the Internet), it's wise to meet in person to see if the reality of the person matches what they've said and what you've been imagining. One learns a lot from body language, how a person acts in public including how they treat people like wait staff whom presumably they are not trying to impress. And one gets to see if there's chemistry in person. A person can be nice, trustworthy, have lots in common with you, and be a great conversationalist, but even if you find the person attractive, it's possible for you to not be sexually attracted to them.
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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 16, 2018 20:48:22 GMT -5
Some things are easy to know if it's a scam or not, especially if you are in a small town. Once you reveal, I go to CC church, and they respond I go to MB church, you can tell they know your little town. When you ask them where they like to go eat and they know the local restaurants. Another thing I share instantly is that I have 6 kids. And that 3 of them are adopted. Along with that comes where I worked, doing child care at a megachurch. All of these things show that I have been vetted and fingerprinted multiple times. All just part of the "vetting process when dating".
I may be wrong about this but things are changing. Finding out about someone over the first months of dating is old school. And then there was my "experience" with Mrs." I want Some Hot Stuff Baby Tonight". Who wanted sex first/soon then wasn't ready for a relationship. People seem to have less and less time, do not want to be scammed and need a lot of information before meeting with you in public.
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Post by northstarmom on Oct 16, 2018 21:16:13 GMT -5
When I on-line dated it was 5 years ago. I met 2 men, neither of which were good fits for me. I only met with men who appeared to be good fits, however. Before meeting, we e-mailed a couple of times. I also thoroughly reviewed their profile, got their full names, and checked their social media and Googled them. I met one at a popular park downtown. We sat on a bench and talked. In response to, "Tell me about yourself," he spent a lot of time talking sadly about his ex. it was clear to me that he wasn't over her so i told him that I thought he still had some grieving to do, and i wasn't interested in seeing him again. I met the other man, a lawyer, at a local coffee shop. I didn't realize he wanted to date me. He was 40 years younger than me! I thought he just wanted to get some info about meditation. He asked to meet after asking me a question about a meditation I'd mentioned in my profile. To my great surprise, at the end of our coffee date, he asked if I'd like to go out with him. No thank-you! He was my younger son's age!
There was a man whom I really liked on-line, but he lived 1,000 miles away so we've never met. We became Fb friends and still are. Nothing romantic between us, just friendship and good wishes for each others lives including our romantic lives. We've never even talked on the phone.
I remember 3 men who wanted to meet me that i had no interest in. One smoked. I don't choose to be around smokers. I despise the smell, and I don't like their not caring about their health. Another wanted to take me out on Thanksgiving. He was recently separated and seemed desperate to not be alone on a holiday. i also assumed he must not have had friends because even though I was getting divorced, I had a couple of Thanksgiving invitations to be with friends. The third had a profile picture of himself smoking a cigar, lounging by pool in a swimsuit. His profile indicated he was sensual and had money. I despise cigar smoke, prefer to find out about a person's sensuality in person -- gradually, and I'm wary of men who use their wealth as bait to attract women. I choose men by character not income.
I do think that "Tell me about yourself" is a great question to ask on the first date. You learn so much about a person by how they approach it. The people who are too defensive or are hiding something clam up and try to figure out exactly what you want to hear. Flakey people tell you things that you'd rather not know or that put themselves in such a bad light that one wonders why one is spending time with them.
When I went out for the first time with my now partner of 5 years I'd known him for a couple of years but only as an acquaintance due to our being in a theater troupe together. At most, he'd tell me a lame joke and i'd compliment his beautiful dog. His responses to my tell me about yourself question and my follow-up questions were what caused me to become interested in him. He told me about what he accomplished being president of his junior college's student government. What stood out about it was that during his presidency, his mother -- whom he lived with and was very close to-- was dying of cancer and died a month before he graduated. Despite all of the turmoil of that, he still was an effective president, graduated and managed to speak at his commencement. He wasn't bragging when he told me about this. He was surprised that I was interested. What impressed me was his strength of character in being able to carry on despite such adversity especially since he was a first generation college student who also was working his way through college. I also admired that he was straightforward about who he was. He was from a small town and had grown up poor. He didn't try to hide that info.
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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 16, 2018 21:41:18 GMT -5
I agree with Surfergirl: That list is way too much to offer a person you hardly know. And texting and phone conversations over 2 weeks -- even if done a lot -- still don't mean you know a person. If a man sent that to me whom I'd never even met in person -- or if I'd just been dating him in person for a few weeks -- I'd be frightened that he was a stalker, and I'd end the relationship. Men and women who stalk say those kind of effusive promises tend to be people who think they have a closer relationship with another person than is true in reality,and they tend to become jealous and controlling. It would be more reasonable to be offering her a chance for a date and over drinks, coffee or lunch/dinner get to know each other in person. Once again you are full of double talk. "Still doesn't mean you know a person". Wrong, wrong, wrong. You don't know shit, you weren't there. I learned plenty and we shared plenty. Definitely enough red flags to end it. A good learning experience . Especially after years of zero communication with a controller. Sometimes a person will show more of their true colors on line or texting than when meeting them face to face. Face to face they are even more aware of making a good impression, or wearing a fake mask.
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