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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 25, 2018 9:22:14 GMT -5
No one seems to be able to answer my concern, "where do all of our rejectors in a SM go to find a new victim after a divorce?"
My ex put her name on meetup groups, but doesn't go anywhere.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 25, 2018 9:26:04 GMT -5
My retired college prof ex is living in Hong Kong with a 20 years younger waitress from Thailand who barely speaks English.
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Post by sadkat on Sept 25, 2018 11:55:22 GMT -5
You sound respectfully defensive greatcoastal đ. But- no offense taken. I can tell you very specifically what I want out of a post SM relationship and, because of what Iâve been through over the past 20 plus years, I wonât settle for anything less- Iâd prefer to remain single. When and if Iâm ready for online dating, Iâll be taking northstarmom âs advice. That's a heep of generalizations. Care to be more specific? My ex was full of generalizations. I've learned to not tolerate them and accept facts, and to ask for them. What was defensive? What specifically do you want out of a post SM relationship? What specific parts of your 20 yr won't you settle for again? You can remain single all your life and have a committed relationship. You don't have to be married to do that. You don't even know if you will ever be ready for online dating "if I am ready for online dating". Neither do I, but I'm taking a risk, trying new things and openly discussing it. Which advice? There's multiple pages of it!! greatcoastal- Iâll try to answer your questions as honestly as I can without sending this into a train wreck of an argument. My intention is not to insult or make you feel bad. Defensive- youâre arguing with my opinions and essentially challenging me on how I could possibly know what I want when Iâm still stuck in my current 25 year marriage. You even compared me to your hated âexâ- that, my friend, is being defensive. What I want? A FWB who can challenge me in a conversation in a respectful and loving manner. Intimacy will come first before sex ever happens. If I ever get out of my current marriage, I plan to stay single for some time because I KNOW I have some major shit to work out. That major shit may challenge my ability to sustain a long term committed relationship. Youâre right, I have no idea whatâs facing me and I may not ever get on a dating site. Who knows? From my 20 year relationship? I wonât settle for being belittled, ignored, lied to, yelled at, demeaned, ARGUED WITH, and made to feel like I am not important. And, of course, I will never settle for someone who prefers porn to fulfilling sex with a willing partner. Advice from NSM? Looking for fwb between ages XX to XX, someone to have meaningful and intimate conversations with. Willing to have committed sexual relationship and doesnât care about the size of your penis (ok- that was a joke!). Iâd really like to suggest that you re-read NSMâs replies with an open mind. She has been on the other side of her SM (unlike me) for some time. She has very solid advice and gives me hope for a happy post SM future. Thank you northstarmom for your wisdom!
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 25, 2018 12:17:01 GMT -5
GC wrote: âNo one seems to be able to answer my concern, "where do all of our rejectors in a SM go to find a new victim after a divorce?"
My ex put her name on meetup groups, but doesn't go anywhere.â
Why do you care about her love life or how other refuser fare romantically after they divorce?
For his sake, I hope my ex is savvy enough not to be with another scammer like the affair partner he had at the end of our marriage who had tricked him into supporting a child that wasnât his. Alzheimerâs runscin his family and it would be sad if he ended his life being exploited on the other side of the world far from our sons and his other relatives. . But otherwise, whether he dates, had sex, falls in love isnât something that into think about much. Iâm much more focused on living a life that fulfills me. I wish him well. Iâm glad to be no longer married to him so we each can create our own paths.
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Post by shamwow on Sept 25, 2018 13:19:37 GMT -5
No one seems to be able to answer my concern, "where do all of our rejectors in a SM go to find a new victim after a divorce?" My ex put her name on meetup groups, but doesn't go anywhere. I suspect my ex is asexual. So nowhere I guess. At least for the moment, she has cash and is in no need of another, as you put it, victim. But like northstarmom I don't spend a lot (any come to think of it) of time wondering about my ex's love life. I'm just happy not to be married to her anymore.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 25, 2018 14:07:24 GMT -5
Okay, let me reword it, ALL the ex's, of a SM in your 20 mile radius, your dating area. The ones you are going to run into in the dating world, whatever that may be, -meetup groups, volunteering, walking your dog, church, H.S. activities, bars, single groups, work, online dating,- the rejectors will be out there too. Where do you think they would go to start over?
I have met them at meet up groups, and church. I have not tried dating sights ( I have posted recent experiences from other people about the top dating sites) I don't expect to find SM rejectors on a hook up sight. This is my first experience.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 25, 2018 14:15:50 GMT -5
The answer would depend on the person. Some would be perfectly happy to remain single. I know lots of women who after divorce had no desire to date again. My mom was in a resentful sm for years and always said she had no desire to be with a man again. After my dad died she seemed completely happy being alone.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 25, 2018 14:28:41 GMT -5
Why do you care about her love life or how other refuser fare romantically after they divorce? I did not say I care about her love life, there probably will never be one. I used her as an example of where they go. I want to avoid others like her. That is what I meant.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 25, 2018 14:33:47 GMT -5
The answer would depend on the person. Some would be perfectly happy to remain single. I know lots of women who after divorce had no desire to date again. My mom was in a resentful sm for years and always said she had no desire to be with a man again. After my dad died she seemed completely happy being alone. How true, and yet these woman go to meetup groups for singles. To talk with and meet other woman. Not to meet a man to date. I learned more about that from the other men. You won't find someone to date in this crowd of woman. But you are better off to witness it and find out for yourself.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 25, 2018 15:05:20 GMT -5
"How true, and yet these woman go to meetup groups for singles. To talk with and meet other woman. "
When it comes to, at least, middle aged and older people, a meetup group for singles is not going to be a hook-up group. It's going to be a group for people who are single who like to do things with other people instead of hanging out by themselves. Some may be looking for hook-ups or romantic partners. Some may want to meet people who can be friends. For instance, some joining such groups are new in town and want to have people to hang out with.
During my divorce, i went to a singles meetup group for those 40 and older. I was interested in possible romantic partners as well as men and women who could become friends. One meeting was the day before Thanksgiving and was a potluck hosted by a single woman completing her doctorate. Most of the people who attended didn't have Thanksgiving plans. They were new to town, divorced, living far from their hometown, etc. It was a fun time with interesting people.
Next meetup I went was a cocktail party hosted at a friend's house. She was a single woman in her 50s. Going was part of my quest to find a guy for a monogamous FWB. Anyway, several of the men looked appealing but their conversational skills were lacking. They were quite willing to talk about themselves, but they never asked me about myself. For instance, when I asked one man if he hobbies, he told me he enoyed bicycle racing and then he embarked on a long monologue about bicycle racing, a subject that I have only superficial interest in. Nevertheless, I politely nodded, smiled, asked follow up questions and he continued to stay on that subject. Not one time did he ask me anything about myself. I excused myself to get a drink and then got into a conversation with another guy who did the same thing -- embarked on a monologue.
What ended up happening was the women ended up clustering together and having real conversations that included expressing interest in each others' activities.
I guess the guys felt ignored because they ended up heading to a bar together.
Later, my friend commented that every single woman had, upon entering her home, asked her about the unusual photographs on her walls. Not one man did. My friend had taken the photographs and it was interesting to hear her describe what she was attempting to capture.
Bottom line was that the men seemed to think that a meetup was their chance to snag a woman by talking about themselves. What that did was turn the women off because the men seemed narcissistic.
Anyway, GC, you have said that when you meet women, you do ask them about themselves. So, your experience at singles Meetups may be very different from your friends'.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 25, 2018 18:45:31 GMT -5
Just to change the subject slightly, in case you are wondering what some of these conversations between these 35 yr old woman are like I will paraphrase the latest and edit it.
I get sent an email from a woman age 35 who lives 70 miles from me. Her pics are clean (no nudity) she looks like Jaclyn Smith. She is currently with UNICEF in Nigeria West Africa. She is coming home next week.
She calls herself nurse___ but has not said one thing about any nursing background or experiences.
"I have passed through a lot being in a relationship, and wouldn't allow the past to ruin me again. I believe failure teaches success and building my future with the experience I had.I believe inside looks will determine if couples are compatible, though attraction is part of it, but the most important, that does it all, is personality traits. I am looking for a man that's caring and understanding for NSA or LTR."
" I will be home next week are you able to pick me up?" ( We have had 2 email back in forth to each other that is it)
"My dad is dead, and my mom left me after dad's death and got married to another man which I don't get to see her again....I was raised by my aunt who is now caught up in drugs and alcohol. I really love her and it pains me that she chose to live that way. That is why I decided to stay alone and work with my team, because I did not feel comfortable living with her anymore. I just had to tell you about my personal life. I wanted you to know what I am facing in life. I'll never allow that to pull me down/back in life.I just have to be strong and move on with my life. I pray the lord guides and protects me and leads me on through the right path. I am new at this online thing, A friend of mine introduced me to it at camp. You are the first person I am meeting on line. Do keep in touch. I will send you an email when I get off duty."
How about that? Not quite what I was expecting. I have a lot more questions. "The come and pick me up part Seems like a big RED flag."
If I was going to travel or have her come visit me, I am going to ask for a pic. of her drivers license and offer mine.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 25, 2018 19:17:13 GMT -5
That's a heep of generalizations. Care to be more specific? My ex was full of generalizations. I've learned to not tolerate them and accept facts, and to ask for them. What was defensive? What specifically do you want out of a post SM relationship? What specific parts of your 20 yr won't you settle for again? You can remain single all your life and have a committed relationship. You don't have to be married to do that. You don't even know if you will ever be ready for online dating "if I am ready for online dating". Neither do I, but I'm taking a risk, trying new things and openly discussing it. Which advice? There's multiple pages of it!! greatcoastal - Iâll try to answer your questions as honestly as I can without sending this into a train wreck of an argument. My intention is not to insult or make you feel bad. Defensive- youâre arguing with my opinions and essentially challenging me on how I could possibly know what I want when Iâm still stuck in my current 25 year marriage. You even compared me to your hated âexâ- that, my friend, is being defensive. What I want? A FWB who can challenge me in a conversation in a respectful and loving manner. Intimacy will come first before sex ever happens. If I ever get out of my current marriage, I plan to stay single for some time because I KNOW I have some major shit to work out. That major shit may challenge my ability to sustain a long term committed relationship. Youâre right, I have no idea whatâs facing me and I may not ever get on a dating site. Who knows? From my 20 year relationship? I wonât settle for being belittled, ignored, lied to, yelled at, demeaned, ARGUED WITH, and made to feel like I am not important. And, of course, I will never settle for someone who prefers porn to fulfilling sex with a willing partner. Advice from NSM? Looking for fwb between ages XX to XX, someone to have meaningful and intimate conversations with. Willing to have committed sexual relationship and doesnât care about the size of your penis (ok- that was a joke!). Iâd really like to suggest that you re-read NSMâs replies with an open mind. She has been on the other side of her SM (unlike me) for some time. She has very solid advice and gives me hope for a happy post SM future. Thank you northstarmom for your wisdom! THANK YOU For that polite response. I agree with much of your stance and what you say. I too had 25 yrs. of marriage. I do want to clarify this, I did not compare you to my ex. I did not use the word " hated" you put that in there. You call it defensive, I meant it as an example of my previous experiences concerning " generalizations" and what I no longer settle for, just like you posted about what you won't settle for. The advice on what to look for? That's all very nice, very simple, just be prepared and wear your waist high waders and your teflon hat! I encourage you to continue to have boundaries and enforce them. I hope I can support you on your journey .
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Post by obobfla on Sept 25, 2018 19:20:49 GMT -5
Ok, I havenât been around much, but then again I am no longer sexless or married. Here is what worked for me:
I tried out OK Cupid, Zoosk, Tinder, and some over 50 dating site (not Our Time). I was basically looking for a steady FWB, and I found one on OK Cupid. We have been together since late February. My biggest problem was that the women I met could tell I was still getting over my wifeâs death. More than one said I wasnât ready. The one I ended up with let me talk about my wife and even cry. I am lucky I found her.
Yes, older women who date are picky, and I donât blame them. Dating sites suggest a lot of people for you to meet. You donât want to repeat the same mistakes of your marriage, and neither do they. Plus, itâs a lot easier to swipe left than to say no in person. And yes, spelling mistakes would earn a rejection from me. I write for a living.
I didnât do E-harmony because I wasnât looking for that ¨perfect match.¨ But I liked OK Cupid´s questions. It helped me weed out the overly religious, sugar daddy seekers, and those whose politics did not match mine. OK Cupid also asked what I wanted in a sex partner. I said I was ok with having sex on the first date. That eliminated a lot of women who would frustrate me like my late wife did. We men over 50 get plenty of allegedly young women contacting us. Sorry, I want real. I also donât want to be a baby sitter. Only women over 40 who have had children for me.
I found too many women who were too generic in what they wanted. Walks on the beach? I live in Florida too. Who doesnât like walks on the beach? Let me know if you bring a towel so we can lie down and make out during our walk. Too forward? Bring your fishing gear, boogie board, or scuba gear.
I want someone who shares my passions, and not just sexual ones. I love animals, theater, and children. My ladyfriend has four cats and one daughter. We saw a play together and loved it. And I also like my alone time. She gives me plenty of space. Yes, we have great sex together. But more importantly, we can be together for more than 24 hours and not want to kill each other.
My ladyfriend is not a perfect match in terms of physical appearance, education, or volume. I am not looking to make it permanent right now, and neither is she. But right now, it works for me.
If It doesnât work, there are a lot more 50-something women than men. I will be fine. I am just fine right now.
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Post by obobfla on Sept 25, 2018 19:26:16 GMT -5
Just to change the subject slightly, in case you are wondering what some of these conversations between these 35 yr old woman are like I will paraphrase the latest and edit it. I get sent an email from a woman age 35 who lives 70 miles from me. Her pics are clean (no nudity) she looks like Jaclyn Smith. She is currently with UNICEF in Nigeria West Africa. She is coming home next week. She calls herself nurse___ but has not said one thing about any nursing background or experiences. "I have passed through a lot being in a relationship, and wouldn't allow the past to ruin me again. I believe failure teaches success and building my future with the experience I had.I believe inside looks will determine if couples are compatible, though attraction is part of it, but the most important, that does it all, is personality traits. I am looking for a man that's caring and understanding for NSA or LTR." " I will be home next week are you able to pick me up?" ( We have had 2 email back in forth to each other that is it) "My dad is dead, and my mom left me after dad's death and got married to another man which I don't get to see her again....I was raised by my aunt who is now caught up in drugs and alcohol. I really love her and it pains me that she chose to live that way. That is why I decided to stay alone and work with my team, because I did not feel comfortable living with her anymore. I just had to tell you about my personal life. I wanted you to know what I am facing in life. I'll never allow that to pull me down/back in life.I just have to be strong and move on with my life. I pray the lord guides and protects me and leads me on through the right path. I am new at this online thing, A friend of mine introduced me to it at camp. You are the first person I am meeting on line. Do keep in touch. I will send you an email when I get off duty." How about that? Not quite what I was expecting. I have a lot more questions. "The come and pick me up part Seems like a big RED flag." If I was going to travel or have her come visit me, I am going to ask for a pic. of her drivers license and offer mine. I see a huge flag. Ask her if sheâs ever given a patient a catheter. She will gladly send you a pic. Video chat first. And if she mentions money, run!
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 25, 2018 19:28:15 GMT -5
Thanks for your post obobfla@! It's full of good "experienced" information. It's great to hear from you! Congrats on your journey forward and your healing from your loss.
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