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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 19:54:35 GMT -5
Dry Creek - your post is absolutely on the money. Perfectly explains the whole dynamics of those who have a deep-seated problem with intimacy and refuse sex. The part about them having no sense of time is so true. My boyfriend doesn't even recognise that there's a problem, I know. I'm sure in his mind we have sex regularly. This site is so helpful, because I realise I'm not alone in my situation. I reiterate what DryCreek said "TIME is your enemy." Simply put, the longer you stay in a SM relationship, the less chance it will change. This is not the dress rehearsal for the "real thing." This is your relationship. If you want something different, you may need to look elsewhere, with a different partner.
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Post by bballgirl on May 16, 2016 20:19:56 GMT -5
Hi Ballgirl - thanks for your response. You're right of course. However, I know that if I made demands like that, he would simply say, 'If you're not happy, let's go our separate ways.' My issue - and I take full responsibility for this - is that I worry about feeling lonely if I pluck up the courage to call it a day. I could easily cheat but that's not the answer in my book. I need a new relationship but I don't want to be alone. I know this sounds like I'm weak and needy, but actually I'm not. I was single for so many years that it's easy just to accept anything rather than be on my own. He is generous and gives me lots of gifts. But no sex. I know I need to take action but it's too easy to jog along with the comfort of the company, even if there is no sex. But as you rightly point out, I do worry about losing valuable time. You are very welcome and we are all here to support each other. For my marriage sex was not the only problem. If he was a great husband and dad in all of the other aspects I would have stayed and cheated. I think! Not sure really! I stopped loving him and that lead me to be able to seek sex elsewhere. There is no cookie cutter solution for all. It's the toughest decision to make but make it for yourself based on what you want for yourself. You know the fact that if you lay your cards on the table then he'll tell you to separate is total bullshit. Have you seen a lawyer it may be a good idea to just get educated as far as what you would receive. When we got in a fight my ex used to tell me to leave and to go live with other people. The day i told him I wanted a divorce he didn't want me to go. It's tough to figure out. The advice about not wasting time is key.
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Post by DryCreek on May 16, 2016 21:25:38 GMT -5
BBG's advice triggered another thought for those on the fence... Keep a journal. Not to beat them up over the details, but to keep your perspective grounded about how you arrived at your destination.
When you are finally fed up and walking out the door... and they are promising you the world... or trying to rewrite history... you will be able to look back on your path and be resolute in your decision.
It also serves to keep you in check with facts. And it can be appalling to go back and find your writings from 3, 5, or 7 years ago, and see how it compares to today.
DC
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Post by endthegame on May 17, 2016 8:50:42 GMT -5
I am not saying your partner is personality disordered, but any individual who has deep issues with intimacy has some kind of problem they generally refuse to address (over which you realistically have no power).An abusive personality cannot successfully Hoover you or get you to re-engage or recycle without your participation, which is why it’s important for you to recognize and understand what’s happening, why it’s happening, your buttons, desires, hopes, Achilles’ heels and fears. An effective Hoover plays on both your hopes and fears. When dealing with an abusive personality, your hopes and fears will become traps that ensnare you if you are not mindful of them." endthegame , thank you. That was a very insightful and helpful post. I hope you come back. I've bolded the bits that really, really hit me. I take no offense at the suggestion that my partner is personality disordered or at least "on the spectrum." I've thought it myself many times. At any rate, the part about 'deep issues with intimacy pointing to some kind of problem' is spot on, probably for many refusers. I know it is for mine. My mind goes to childhood trauma, in my husband's case, as well as alcoholism that runs in the family. Either way, not anything I can solve and if he won't see it or admit it, then neither can he. And you're right about my own hopes and fears tripping me up. Specifically, my hope that things will work out, my wish to have the 'white picket fence,' and my fear of being alone and of feeling any guilt, all keep spinning me back into the black hole that he has created in our marriage. I get sucked into his inertia, his story line about how it's not really that bad, how it's all my fault. I have to quit believing all those lies. I hope you'll share more of your story; it sounds like you have a lot to offer. These words are not mine, they are from the Shrink for Men site, (sex is not relevant, male or female, the following stands true): "... An effective Hoover plays on both your hopes and fears. When dealing with an abusive personality, your hopes and fears will become traps that ensnare you if you are not mindful of them. For example: Are you afraid of being alone? Being replaced? Being perceived as a “failure” or “bad guy?” Losing your kids? Losing your assets? Are you afraid the pain of being without her will be worse than the pain of being with her? Do you love to be needed or need to be loved? Do you cling to the hope that if you can just find a way to reason with her she’ll change for the better? Do you worry she’ll meet another man and magically become a wonderful person? Do you fear that you’re really unlovable, not good enough, not enough of a “man” and that no one else would want you? Do you have a fear of loss and a need for approval? You may not know what hopes and fears keep you in your abusive relationship, but odds are your abusive and/or personality-disordered partner does — either consciously or intuitively. In order to stay strong and not fall prey to a Hoover or series of Hoovers, you will need professional and/or peer support and you will also need to reality test your fears and hopes. Please note, when dealing with an abusive personality and/or a personality-disordered individual, any hopes you have for her and the relationship are probably better described as wishful thinking."
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 14:50:49 GMT -5
Amen, endthegame. Professional counseling for all of us! I know mine has helped enormously, but as I've said elsewhere - it still took years to get strong enough and to see things as they are. I think, I HOPE, I am there now. I am so grateful for the validation this forum gives me.
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Post by endthegame on May 18, 2016 6:54:53 GMT -5
BBG's advice triggered another thought for those on the fence... Keep a journal. Not to beat them up over the details, but to keep your perspective grounded about how you arrived at your destination. When you are finally fed up and walking out the door... and they are promising you the world... or trying to rewrite history... you will be able to look back on your path and be resolute in your decision. It also serves to keep you in check with facts. And it can be appalling to go back and find your writings from 3, 5, or 7 years ago, and see how it compares to today. DC I kept a journal for a year. I used a mobile phone app to record conversations as well as scribbled things down before I forgot, (NB, it was important for me to record FACTS as opposed to my slant on them). I didn't do this all of the time, I did it randomly. I never listened to the conversations until 6 weeks later when the memory had faded. I found that over 90% of the time it was my partner who was unreasonable, off kilter, deluded, disordered etc. Not in a huge way, you can spot that, but in a mildly unhealthy way, a way that seeps into a relationship and gets you believing you are looking at things wrong, you are a pervert, needy, unhinged, not good enough etc. You start to doubt yourself after a while, start to believe their truth and not your own. Recording random conversations and keeping a journal was one tactic I used to put my own thinking straight. In the end I knew it wasn't me, it never was. Once you have a clear 'outsiders' view of the relationship and can see the truth (of your interactions as well) you can confidently apply healthy boundaries. As DryCreek said "When you are finally fed up and walking out the door... and they are promising you the world... or trying to rewrite history... you will be able to look back on your path and be resolute in your decision." When they are sex bombing you to keep you there and telling you they will be different etc take some time out alone and listen to their conversations and behaviour. Sex and intimacy aside, would you want to be around a person like that? Of course, the replayed conversations may highlight that it is you and you are a complete dick. In which case - stop being a dick. That's in your power to change.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 9:18:15 GMT -5
Of course, the replayed conversations may highlight that it is you and you are a complete dick. In which case - stop being a dick. That's in your power to change. Good point, endthegame. I love it.
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Post by sasha on May 19, 2016 14:19:30 GMT -5
Hi Ballgirl - thanks for your response. You're right of course. However, I know that if I made demands like that, he would simply say, 'If you're not happy, let's go our separate ways.' My issue - and I take full responsibility for this - is that I worry about feeling lonely if I pluck up the courage to call it a day. I could easily cheat but that's not the answer in my book. I need a new relationship but I don't want to be alone. I know this sounds like I'm weak and needy, but actually I'm not. I was single for so many years that it's easy just to accept anything rather than be on my own. He is generous and gives me lots of gifts. But no sex. I know I need to take action but it's too easy to jog along with the comfort of the company, even if there is no sex. But as you rightly point out, I do worry about losing valuable time. You are very welcome and we are all here to support each other. For my marriage sex was not the only problem. If he was a great husband and dad in all of the other aspects I would have stayed and cheated. I think! Not sure really! I stopped loving him and that lead me to be able to seek sex elsewhere. There is no cookie cutter solution for all. It's the toughest decision to make but make it for yourself based on what you want for yourself. You know the fact that if you lay your cards on the table then he'll tell you to separate is total bullshit. Have you seen a lawyer it may be a good idea to just get educated as far as what you would receive. When we got in a fight my ex used to tell me to leave and to go live with other people. The day i told him I wanted a divorce he didn't want me to go. It's tough to figure out. The advice about not wasting time is key.
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Post by sasha on May 19, 2016 14:33:53 GMT -5
Hi bbgirl and thanks for your reply.
I'm not married to my OH and there are no children, so extricating myself from my relationship is relatively easy. It's a case of grabbing the bull by the horns and getting on with it I guess.
I have found this site and all your comments incredibly helpful in that I no longer feel so isolated in my dilemma.
I see that you have children which doesn't make it easy for you to walk away. I only hope that the support network on here helps you as much as it has me. For me, it was good to know that I wasn't the only one in my situation so I felt less of a freak!
Thanks again for your support.
Sasha
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Post by sasha on May 19, 2016 14:36:20 GMT -5
BBG's advice triggered another thought for those on the fence... Keep a journal. Not to beat them up over the details, but to keep your perspective grounded about how you arrived at your destination. When you are finally fed up and walking out the door... and they are promising you the world... or trying to rewrite history... you will be able to look back on your path and be resolute in your decision. It also serves to keep you in check with facts. And it can be appalling to go back and find your writings from 3, 5, or 7 years ago, and see how it compares to today. DC
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Post by sasha on May 19, 2016 14:47:21 GMT -5
DryCreek - I think keeping a diary is an excellent course of action. Sometimes if I'm feeling the resentment boiling over, just writing my thoughts into the note section on my mobile, while sitting on a park bench, can be incredibly cathartic. It's also helpful to re read the comments when you're feeling calmer too and see whether you still have that same perspective or whether it was a heat of the moment vent. Either way, it's good to look back at the notes periodically and see whether there is any progress.
I met my gay neighbour today in the park and we got onto the subject of fitness and weight loss. He remarked that after only two years, I should be working off the weight in the bedroom. Before my diary and this site, that comment would have really hit home and distressed me. Recognising that there are things wrong sexually in the relationship and writing them down or sharing them is for me, incredibly helpful. So yes, I would recommend that others keep a diary as you suggest.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 16:55:52 GMT -5
Hi bbgirl and thanks for your reply. I'm not married to my OH and there are no children, so extricating myself from my relationship is relatively easy. It's a case of grabbing the bull by the horns and getting on with it I guess. I have found this site and all your comments incredibly helpful in that I no longer feel so isolated in my dilemma. I see that you have children which doesn't make it easy for you to walk away. I only hope that the support network on here helps you as much as it has me. For me, it was good to know that I wasn't the only one in my situation so I felt less of a freak! Thanks again for your support. Sasha sasha, I also was not legally married and had no children. It still took me 3 years from realizing there was a serious problem, until we ended it. We may not have been legally married, but 14 years together (10 years cohabitating) made us emotionally married.
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Post by cagedadventurer on May 22, 2016 19:16:13 GMT -5
Run with that thought! If you don't want his hands on you then don't take the reset. It will probably be so unfulfilling anyway. Instead channel the opportunity to refuse him. I never got that opportunity. If I would have gotten the chance to refuse his advances I would have said something to the effect of: "Who the fuck do you think you are? We haven't had sex in 2 years and now you think I'm going to just give it up because you want to?! Just so we are clear, I do not plan to ever have sex with you again which is more courtesy than you ever showed me because you made a unilateral decision to withhold sex and never let me know. Also so we are clear, in spite of the fact that we won't be having sex ever again, I do not plan on being celibate for the rest of my life like I have been for the past 13 years. So what are your thoughts on another man fucking your roommate?" bballgirl, I love it. That's awesome and it shows how empowered you are. I'm not quite there yet. Working on my exit plan but still mustering the guts to go thru with it. If I said all that, which I would love to - believe me, it would surely be over and I'd have no choice but to leave. Plus, refuser has a temper and is a drinker - not a nice combo. Who knows what he might do? Then again, maybe that would be me my breaking point, which I'm always looking for!
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