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Post by greatcoastal on Feb 22, 2017 21:48:26 GMT -5
And to quote....... "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled" Ezekiel 23: 20, 21 Context? Who is the "she" who did the lusting, & who was lusted after? The she was Samaria The nation, not a person. The genitals was speaking of the golden calf. Idol worshiping. Lusting after idols. The political downfall.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 22:34:10 GMT -5
It's simple if you faith rules your life shut up and move on "for better or worse" .... I hate people of faith who need to cherry pick and ignore other parts of the Bible to get their point across. Be the husband or wife your supposed to be... end of story and if your here to defend your marital position then your a shitty Christian .... for better or for worse .... so shut the fuck up and move on
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Post by shamwow on Feb 22, 2017 22:50:36 GMT -5
It's simple if you faith rules your life shut up and move on "for better or worse" .... I hate people of faith who need to cherry pick and ignore other parts of the Bible to get their point across. Be the husband or wife your supposed to be... end of story and if your here to defend your marital position then your a shitty Christian .... for better or for worse .... so shut the fuck up and move on Hmmm..stop beating around the bush
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Post by seabr33z3 on Feb 22, 2017 23:38:16 GMT -5
Disclaimer - I ain't religious, but funnily enough, my sense of ethics is actually pretty closely allied with religion. What will tend to get up my nose are posts that might prefix what someone has to say with - "As a Christian, I - - - - - - - -". Or - "The bible says that - - - - - - - -" As if being a christian gives added credibility to the opinion being given. It doesn't give the opinion any greater value than the opinion of the average Joe. (I ought add that it doesn't devalue the opinion being given either). So spare me prefixing what you've got to say with - "As a christian - - - - - " Whatever you have to say stands up - or falls - on its' own feet. Whether you are a christian, an atheist, or just a plain old shit kicker. Just an explanation(IMO) as to why some people start with " as a Christian I..." or " the Bible says...". If one makes a statement about something which is founded on biblical principles, for example, " God created the earth in 7 days". If you just come out in any conversation and make that statement, you will undoubtedly get a barage of opinions to refute that. If you say " the Bible says( as opposed to "I say") that God created..." then what you are doing is merely pointing to where you get that belief from. You may still face the barage, but the oposer will understand WHY you made the statement and WHERE you got your opinion from( the 7 days scenario is just one example of many that could be used)" The bible says" prefix is more about helping others understand YOUR position, rather than just coming off with the statement as a stand alone comment. Because Christian (or any) beliefs are often intrinsically interconnected with how one lives one's life or forms one's opinion. The same also applies to " as a Christian I believe...". It's about helping others understand WHY one has that opinion. It's not about being holier than thou or good ole " Bible bashing".IMO
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Post by lwoetin on Feb 23, 2017 2:39:29 GMT -5
....from an admittedly non-religious person. There are a number of people who cite religious convictions as a reason to stay married to a refuser, and not outsource. I think I understand (but correct me if I'm wrong... )You have a belief in a higher power who will punish you in some way if you disobey the rules. That's not too different from me, obeying my employer's rules. Because if I disobey my employer, I lose the job - and the paycheck. I like the paycheck, so I obey my employer's rules. What is your religion giving you that makes it worth it to obey the anti-sex rules? My religion sets boundaries in what to do. I try to live within those boundaries, with God's help. But not all the boundaries. I try because I love God and my spouse.
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Post by csl on Feb 23, 2017 8:52:47 GMT -5
Context? Who is the "she" who did the lusting, & who was lusted after? The she was Samaria The nation, not a person. The genitals was speaking of the golden calf. Idol worshiping. Lusting after idols. The political downfall. The question was directed at the poster of the verse, checking to see if there might be a reason for putting it up.
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Post by csl on Feb 23, 2017 8:58:10 GMT -5
It's simple if you faith rules your life shut up and move on "for better or worse" .... I hate people of faith who need to cherry pick and ignore other parts of the Bible to get their point across. Be the husband or wife your supposed to be... end of story and if your here to defend your marital position then your a shitty Christian .... for better or for worse .... so shut the fuck up and move on Pretty damned arrogant to think you can tell others to shut up, doncha think?
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Post by greatcoastal on Feb 23, 2017 9:32:03 GMT -5
The she was Samaria The nation, not a person. The genitals was speaking of the golden calf. Idol worshiping. Lusting after idols. The political downfall. The question was directed at the poster of the verse, checking to see if there might be a reason for putting it up. Okay, they are welcome to answer it.
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Post by leifericson on Feb 23, 2017 9:52:38 GMT -5
The question was directed at the poster of the verse, checking to see if there might be a reason for putting it up. Okay, they are welcome to answer it. The poster of the verse has no interest in the context but you are free to discuss it as nauseum.
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Post by greatcoastal on Feb 23, 2017 13:10:48 GMT -5
Okay, they are welcome to answer it. The poster of the verse has no interest in the context but you are free to discuss it as nauseum. Nope, not interested. I would like to think my other 2473 posts prove that. I had to look these verses up, and do some research. I've never heard it before. Now I know why.
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Post by csl on Feb 23, 2017 13:54:47 GMT -5
Okay, they are welcome to answer it. The poster of the verse has no interest in the context but you are free to discuss it as nauseum. I was just curious, wondering if there was a point to the post or if it was just a Tourette moment.
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Post by Pinkberry on Feb 23, 2017 14:31:32 GMT -5
Well, some of you may remember AC from the original ILIASM. He and I are both of the Catholic persuasion. He was distraught much of the time because he felt that he was indefinitely trapped due to his religious convictions. However, I reminded him, in a much more lengthy and sensitive way, that marriage is a covenant that both parties must honor. There are Christian expectations of marriage and the Catholic Church, even as rigid as it can be, has exceptions for people to get an annulment when one party is not honoring the covenant. Both the Catholic Church and the LDS Church both have reputations for being very particular about the personal lives of their members and both allow divorce, so the chances are that unless you belong to a very small and repressive denomination, yours does too.
I don't know for certain if AC ever got an annulment from the Church, but he and his wife divorced and he didn't feel one ounce of guilt. God does not expect us to be miserable. Marriage is for our enjoyment, not a trap. So, if someone is citing religious reasons, they are typically talking of their own guilt or ignorance. There isn't a single mainstream denomination of Christianity that won't allow divorce in at least some circumstances. I say mainstream because there are extreme religions that support things like snake handling and other such nonsense and there are probably a few who prohibit divorce for any reason, but those are not theologically sound religions to begin with and neither are their rationales for prohibiting divorce.
If you are speaking to one of the folks who happen to be miserable in a SM and feel trapped by their religion, encourage the person to go speak with the clergy at whatever church, synagogue, or mosque to which the person belongs.
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Post by baza on Feb 23, 2017 14:39:27 GMT -5
My recollection is that it was AC's missus who initiated the divorce Sister Pinkberry. And I don't think she agonised over the religious aspects of the deal at all in making that call. AnarChristian / RonMcDong sure did though.
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Post by wewbwb on Feb 23, 2017 14:42:32 GMT -5
If I may chime in, even though I believe that the question was directed towards abrahamic religions some may find the Buddhist thoughts on sex interesting. If not please stop reading. This means you. I mean it. STOP.
Okay, we culled the weak. There really isn't any. As long as you are treating your partner with respect and kindness, it doesn't matter. Sex falls more to how you are treating someone. Are you being a kind and compassionate partner? It is delectable that Buddhism has a god. Insomuch as there is no belief in a creator that you are not a part of. The universe and everything in it is God. You are a part of that. You are not separate from God nor is it separate from you. Please act accordingly. On to Tantric sex. Tantric sex while highly touted, is simply an example that meditation can be done during ANY activity. It is not in and of itself placing sex above any other thing. There are Buddhist writings that explain that if you (and your partner) are completely open and giving of themselves, that sex can be a transcendent experience. However, the writing further state that with proper training and mindset, this can be achieved in daily life. Which of course is the goal.
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Post by snowman12345 on Feb 24, 2017 8:15:02 GMT -5
I have never been attached to religion as a way of life. But I do have a few basic tenants that I try to live by. That being said, if one of these tenants causes harm to someone else, it causes me to stop and reexamine the reason behind it. 1. Do no harm or at least intend no harm (we all make mistakes). - Try not to be a dick. 2. Keep your word - I expect this from others as well and when they break their word to me - I have to know if it was intentional harm. If so, then I am coming for you. - you are a dick to me expect that I will be a dick to you. If it was unintentional, I will adapt to get what I need, but from then on - trust will be an issue. 3. Your plans are irrelevant - life will screw them up. If you can not or do not adapt then you are being a dick to yourself. Go with the flow. When real proof is offered that your way of doing things can be improved - embrace it! 4. What I have, I have worked for and I will defend it - I don't want to hurt you, but I will. 5. I believe love and sex are not mutually exclusive. When they are together it is awesome! When they are not together they are still pretty good. Don't be a dick - give your partner what they need or expect they will get it somewhere else.
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