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Post by greatcoastal on Nov 6, 2016 13:36:13 GMT -5
...and I just realized she left her wedding ring on the nightstand before she left for the weekend on Friday. That's a very strong statement my friend. I am sorry this is happening to you. Allow me to shine a positive light on this for you. You have been given the freedom to act towards something you have been wanting for over a year now. You have less reason to feel the burden of fear, obligation, and guilt. The F.O.G. is lifting. A weight has been lifted off your shoulders. Act with confidence that this is a win, win situation for everyone by moving forward with legal council, and sure up your finances. You are gaining ground on a path towards a new journey. Things are going to be okay.
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Post by cagedtiger on Nov 6, 2016 13:45:26 GMT -5
...and I just realized she left her wedding ring on the nightstand before she left for the weekend on Friday. That's a very strong statement my friend. I am sorry this is happening to you. Allow me to shine a positive light on this for you. You have been given the freedom to act towards something you have been wanting for over a year now. You have less reason to feel the burden of fear, obligation, and guilt. The F.O.G. is lifting. A weight has been lifted off your shoulders. Act with confidence that this is a win, win situation for everyone by moving forward with legal council, and sure up your finances. You are gaining ground on a path towards a new journey. Things are going to be okay. Well, the thing is, I honestly don't know if this is her sending me a message, or once again fishing for my reaction.
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Post by bballgirl on Nov 6, 2016 14:02:23 GMT -5
That's a very strong statement my friend. I am sorry this is happening to you. Allow me to shine a positive light on this for you. You have been given the freedom to act towards something you have been wanting for over a year now. You have less reason to feel the burden of fear, obligation, and guilt. The F.O.G. is lifting. A weight has been lifted off your shoulders. Act with confidence that this is a win, win situation for everyone by moving forward with legal council, and sure up your finances. You are gaining ground on a path towards a new journey. Things are going to be okay. Well, the thing is, I honestly don't know if this is her sending me a message, or once again fishing for my reaction. No matter what it's mind games and you need to figure out what you want for yourself. What she wants doesn't matter because it's your life.
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Post by greatcoastal on Nov 6, 2016 14:07:01 GMT -5
Are you making excuses for her, coming to her rescue, are you that full of self doubt. Please stand up for yourself. Be alert think clearly. What is dulling your senses? Why are you not alert in the moment? Do you feel isolated? You aren't, you are here with us, resist it, stand firm,know there are others here that have gone through this. I took my ring off a long time ago. My daughter asked me right in front of my STBX, "Dad, why aren't you wearing your ring, why is it beside your bed?" I told her, " It's to painful to wear it anymore". A lot of hidden truth in that statement.
Are her persuasive words and smooth talk not leading you astray? Are you becoming more and more aware of her words? So what is next? Her persuasive actions. Time for a stronger counter action.
Life is made of moments, moments define and call for decisions. It's time to start taking. Give her the reaction that will move things forward that are positive for you.
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Post by baza on Nov 6, 2016 16:57:19 GMT -5
Re the ring. Three points. 1 - it is an oversight on her part or 2 - it is some sort of bullshit signal on her part but in any event 3 - it is an irrelevant side bar whether it was 1 or 2 that drove the behaviour.
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Post by greatcoastal on Nov 6, 2016 17:30:47 GMT -5
Re the ring. Three points. 1 - it is an oversight on her part 2 - it is some sort of bullshit signal on her part 3 - it is an irrelevant side bar whether it was 1 or 2 that drove the behaviour. You really think this is an oversight? I will be anxious to hear if this, "mistake" has happened before.
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Post by beachguy on Nov 6, 2016 17:49:44 GMT -5
The ring is just one more of an endless series of rabbit holes your wife has sent you down. In the meantime, I think you are missing the more important item on your agenda... the 3 month deadline you set when you started couples counseling has expired. When you started counseling it seemed very clear to many or most of us that your marriage was beyond repair. You insisted on giving the counseling 3 months to provide some chance for some evidence of meaningful progress. From your diary posts I don't see any improvement. Quite the contrary, your marriage has spiraled down into an ever more toxic condition. But perhaps I missed some important posts?
In some ways, however, I do see some meaningful progress, at least in terms of clarifying the situation...
Your wife has made it as clear as possible that she has no interest in changing or remodeling her fundamental personality, which is quite intimacy averse. She is comfortable and content in her world that exists in her head and she has no plans to change it. She won't even entertain the idea of individual counseling, presumably for fear of upsetting her comfortable intimacy averse world. Perhaps not such a bad position to take because she could spend years in therapy just to get to the point where she acknowledges a need for change but that is just the starting point for even more years of therapy to actually affect some change, if it is indeed even possible. And in the meantime you are already solidly counter-refusing, having turned down cold an offer of a full month of sex. Where would your head be 5 years from now when she hypothetically gets her head fixed and makes a more serious offer for intimacy?
Your wife has made it equally clear that YOU are the one unhappy with the marriage, not her. And if it weren't for you desperately demanding she change her fundamental personality, things would be a whole lot better (and in principle she is quite correct on that point). She has also made it quite clear that "you need to straighten your own shit out with your individual therapy". And again, she has a good point. If you have any hope of salvaging your marriage, it is YOU that needs to change. YOU need to somehow find happiness in your celibate and intimacy devoid misery. And perhaps a therapist can do that for you. I'm certainly not recommending that strategy but you need to make your own choices if you plan to stay in this marriage, with this intimacy averse personality that is dead set to stay just as she is. You can't change her intimacy aversion, but you might be able to turn yourself into a happy eunuch?
So in closing, I think you need to seriously consider that expired deadline. Perhaps I've missed some important positive progress? If you just sweep that deadline under the carpet you could be here 20 years from now, still spinning your wheels and running in and out of rabbit holes. If you extend it, shouldn't that extension be based on some significant positive progress? If so, exactly what progress has been made since late July? You have yet to even get your wife to admit she is even part of the problem!
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Post by cagedtiger on Nov 6, 2016 18:34:04 GMT -5
...and I texted her something about the dog, and she replied. I asked her when she was coming home, she told me she was just getting to our exit. She was wearing her engagement ring. I'm even more confused now.
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Post by baza on Nov 6, 2016 18:43:17 GMT -5
Re the ring. Three points. 1 - it is an oversight on her part 2 - it is some sort of bullshit signal on her part 3 - it is an irrelevant side bar whether it was 1 or 2 that drove the behaviour. You really think this is an oversight? I will be anxious to hear if this, "mistake" has happened before. What am suggesting Brother GC, is that it makes not one iota's difference what the rationale was behind the 'removal of the ring'. It is merely one more peripheral incident, in a string of peripheral incidents (that come up time after time in Brother CT's run of stories here) to make up the total ILIASM shithole picture. Any one of these previous peripheral incidents 'could' have been *the* trigger, but none of which have yet proved to be *the* trigger.
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Post by beachguy on Nov 6, 2016 18:50:05 GMT -5
...and I texted her something about the dog, and she replied. I asked her when she was coming home, she told me she was just getting to our exit. She was wearing her engagement ring. I'm even more confused now. Why are you so enmeshed in her rabbit hole dramas and not looking at the big picture? You are playing her game.
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Post by DryCreek on Nov 6, 2016 18:59:20 GMT -5
cagedtiger, it may not be a fair characterization, but her behavior to me sounds like "suicide by cop", where she's forcing you to a conclusion because she's too gutless to declare for herself. She refuses to make an effort, and she refuses to face the music. She chooses to ignore reality, hoping the problem (your complaint) either goes away or you'll ultimately make the hard decision and she won't have to participate (enabling her to claim victim status).
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Post by greatcoastal on Nov 6, 2016 22:47:29 GMT -5
You really think this is an oversight? I will be anxious to hear if this, "mistake" has happened before. What am suggesting Brother GC, is that it makes not one iota's difference what the rationale was behind the 'removal of the ring'. It is merely one more peripheral incident, in a string of peripheral incidents (that come up time after time in Brother CT's run of stories here) to make up the total ILIASM shithole picture. Any one of these previous peripheral incidents 'could' have been *the* trigger, but none of which have yet proved to be *the* trigger. Thanks brother baza! my simple mind understands this explanation better. it sounds like another nail in the coffin, another tipping point. How many nails, and which tipping point will be the final one, is up to CT.
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Post by cagedtiger on Nov 7, 2016 0:25:52 GMT -5
What am suggesting Brother GC, is that it makes not one iota's difference what the rationale was behind the 'removal of the ring'. It is merely one more peripheral incident, in a string of peripheral incidents (that come up time after time in Brother CT's run of stories here) to make up the total ILIASM shithole picture. Any one of these previous peripheral incidents 'could' have been *the* trigger, but none of which have yet proved to be *the* trigger. Thanks brother baza! my simple mind understands this explanation better. it sounds like another nail in the coffin, another tipping point. How many nails, and which tipping point will be the final one, is up to CT. You're absolutely right. And I don't know for myself how to go about doing that. Time to bump up my next visit with my therapist.
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Post by baza on Nov 8, 2016 5:15:06 GMT -5
Unless you have already done so Brother CT, it might be far more productive to do the lawyer consult / exit strategy into do-able shape things.
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Post by drbamboo on Nov 8, 2016 6:14:26 GMT -5
What would happen if you simply left? Packed a bag and moved out? You have no kids. You're young. Just walk away. She sounds like a nut. Therapy is starting to sound like a delay tactic on both your parts. And believe me I know all about that. You're a young guy with a big heart. You will meet someone way better. Someone who doesn't play weird head games with rings and shit like that. Life is too short. We are all living proof that situations like this rarely improve. Therapy only works for short term crisis situations or long term ugly trauma situations. You have neither. You're wasting money that could be better spent wooing a hot girlfriend who loves to screw.
Walk away.
PS see a lawyer first just in case. That's good advice. Drop the therapists. Hire a lawyer. Walk away. You could be screwing someone new by Turkey Day.
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