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Post by northstarmom on Oct 10, 2020 18:34:46 GMT -5
Lessingham, inspired by your story about your wife's ordering an exercise bike, I ordered myself one so I could stay in better shape during quarantining. I paid for it out of my own money. When I got the notice saying when it would arrive, I waited for it at home. Now, I'm awaiting a mutually convenient time for my partner and me to put it together. I didn't order him to help put it together. He offered and I appreciatively accepted. Thought you'd like to know what happens in a more normal relationship. Time for you to learn to say, "no" and to let your wife cope with her own anxieties. Maybe that will even inspire her to get medication or other treatment that would help her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 13:17:44 GMT -5
lessingham: "And the bike arrived. I came so clise to walking out. I had a bad night and was groggy as she woke me at 7:30 to say the bike was on its way. Could I get up and get the parcel when it arrived. I stared at her through bleary eyes. She insisted. I got up and sat by the door. It arrived. Later she came down and wanted it built, it was a flatpack bike. Sorta now!" Why do you act like you are her servant? You repeatedly do that then post about it here. She treats you the way you allow yourself to be treated. What do you see in her other than her keeping you from living alone in a bedsit?
This.
I'll make a generalization here - if a woman does not respect a man, she is not going to be attracted to him. Lessingham, you are giving no evidence in your posts that you are demanding her respect. Standing up for yourself and demanding respect while being respectful will serve you well not only for your current spouse but for the next woman in your life you have yet to meet.
Finding that balance between demanding respect and not being an asshole is more art than science. I also need to practice this as my first instinct is to be a yes man or a nice guy. However, practice to demand respect we must!
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Post by mirrororchid on Oct 12, 2020 6:12:16 GMT -5
lessingham: "And the bike arrived. I came so clise to walking out. I had a bad night and was groggy as she woke me at 7:30 to say the bike was on its way. Could I get up and get the parcel when it arrived. I stared at her through bleary eyes. She insisted. I got up and sat by the door. It arrived. Later she came down and wanted it built, it was a flatpack bike. Sorta now!" Why do you act like you are her servant? You repeatedly do that then post about it here. She treats you the way you allow yourself to be treated. What do you see in her other than her keeping you from living alone in a bedsit? I'm concerned we've gone from support to condemnation. He does as she pleases because.... he's got Florence Nightingale complex? Is that something we'd like to extinguish? Or is it just he should be focused on a more appreciative less entitled target of his kindness? (at least until his wife adopts the appreciative trait?) The term in psychobabble circles is "boundaries". There needs to be a limit past which lessingham will not be pushed and for everyone's sake (including his wife) he needs that boundary to be less demanding than the one he has now (if there is one. Lessingham? Have you found yourself holding your ground before? What was it? How did it feel?) Clearly he'd like to stay, and I'd put it to him that setting a boundary shy of resentment will help that marriage last so he doesn't just walk off one day. Good, solid boundaries are healthy for both caregivers and the cared for. It could, long term, be a loving act to say "No" consistently to unreasonable / obnoxious demands to keep resentment in check. Identifying unacceptable behavior is a skill that may need strengthening and maybe Lessingham hasn't had practice. Perhaps the rest of us have enjoyed upbringing or life companions that have given us a head start on what we all take for granted? Life courses that have so many of us shaking our heads in puzzlement. Having lived his life, maybe we'd act similarly. Supportive online friends may be a nudge to that lifeline that brings him out of the role of punching bag/dumping ground. (with kindness to both himself and ultimately, his wife too)
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Post by Handy on Oct 12, 2020 7:24:38 GMT -5
Mirrororchid The term in psychobabble circles is "boundaries". There needs to be a limit past which Lessingham will not be pushed and for everyone's sake (including his wife) he needs that boundary to be less demanding than the one he has now (if there is one. .......................... ................................................... setting a boundary shy of resentment will help that marriage last so he doesn't just walk off one day. Good, solid boundaries are healthy for both caregivers and the cared for.
Lessingham, a boundary is working on your side of the issue. It doesnot imply your partner has to do or not do anything so a boundary avoids trying to make the other person do things your way in a direct way but it influences the other person indirectly over the long term.
The other idea is "NO" is a complete sentance and more people would benefit by ysing the word more, including me.
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Post by northstarmom on Oct 12, 2020 9:08:54 GMT -5
I have now been reading for years lessingham’s complaints about how mean his wife is to him and how she treats him like dirt. Each time he seems surprised. I have read little from him that indicates he is trying to find ways of making his life happier such as using “no” when his wife demands that he bow to her wishes. I see little evidence he is attempting to find activities and friendships that reduce his dependence on his wife. And, yes, even in the pandemic it is possible to use Meetup and other methods to enrich one’s life and expand one’s social circle.
At some point one is responsible for one’s life and wellbeing no matter how one was raised. At some point it is important to take responsibility for one’s life. Incessant complaining indicates he thinks he is helpless but that is true only if he chooses it.
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Post by snowman12345 on Oct 13, 2020 6:01:44 GMT -5
lessingham: "And the bike arrived. I came so clise to walking out. I had a bad night and was groggy as she woke me at 7:30 to say the bike was on its way. Could I get up and get the parcel when it arrived. I stared at her through bleary eyes. She insisted. I got up and sat by the door. It arrived. Later she came down and wanted it built, it was a flatpack bike. Sorta now!" Why do you act like you are her servant? You repeatedly do that then post about it here. She treats you the way you allow yourself to be treated. What do you see in her other than her keeping you from living alone in a bedsit?
This.
I'll make a generalization here - if a woman does not respect a man, she is not going to be attracted to him. Lessingham, you are giving no evidence in your posts that you are demanding her respect. Standing up for yourself and demanding respect while being respectful will serve you well not only for your current spouse but for the next woman in your life you have yet to meet.
Finding that balance between demanding respect and not being an asshole is more art than science. I also need to practice this as my first instinct is to be a yes man or a nice guy. However, practice to demand respect we must!
Please see my avatar. LOL
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Post by lessingham on Oct 14, 2020 3:43:39 GMT -5
I may have related this before. Ehen I went into therapy my therapist said she normally helped raise self esteem. With me she was going to have to find it first. I do have low esteem and almost non existant boundaries. For me, saying no is actually kind of a huge thing. But for today I will do it. Maybe if I pretend and act as if I have boundaries, I may even develop them. On the money front I will do as I wish today and screw her.
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Post by mirrororchid on Oct 14, 2020 5:58:45 GMT -5
I may have related this before. Ehen I went into therapy my therapist said she normally helped raise self esteem. With me she was going to have to find it first. I do have low esteem and almost non existent boundaries. For me, saying no is actually kind of a huge thing. But for today I will do it. Maybe if I pretend and act as if I have boundaries, I may even develop them. On the money front I will do as I wish today and screw her. Good to hear it. Hope you find it easier than you thought. Just know, you don't have to get it right on the first time, and practice helps. If you think you've overdone it. Forgive yourself. Shame may be part of what keeps you from establishing healthy self-respect. You can make a mistake, and keep trying. Healing can be hard. Set aside a cake worth of slack so you can cut several slices. There's a lot of middle ground between "Anything you say!" and <in Scottish accent> "Screw all of ye!" Finding your sweet spot should actually be pleasant, long term.
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Oct 14, 2020 8:05:27 GMT -5
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Post by Handy on Oct 14, 2020 8:05:27 GMT -5
Lessingham, feel the fear but do it anyway was my path to setting boundaries.
Mirrororchid post is good advice.
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Post by northstarmom on Oct 14, 2020 9:15:57 GMT -5
Lessingham, you may find your self esteem by doing things that support yourself such as saying “no” to some of your wife’s demands. Start small and work your way up. Celebrate even small successes. Treat yourself as if you are worthy of good treatment.
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Post by lessingham on Oct 15, 2020 3:11:41 GMT -5
Started small. I bought a book on self esteem and will work through the programme. We had a discussion about lingerie as she was buying new knickers. I insisted she bought a basque as well. She thinks they m ske her look silly but I said I loved them so do it for me. So she did. I bought a new jumper, (sweater for Americans?) not my style but I liked it and thought why not. I mentally bathed in money. All the things of desire of my youth I can now afford!
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Oct 15, 2020 19:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by Handy on Oct 15, 2020 19:13:23 GMT -5
Lessingham All the things of desire of my youth I can now afford! Same here Lessingham. I understand the situations Past & Present.
I acquired my first barely ride-able/serviceable "beater-bicycle" when I was in the middle of 6th grade. Now I have a couple of "decent bicycles." No fancy cars, don't need them. Plain cars will do nicely.
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Post by mirrororchid on Oct 16, 2020 4:21:03 GMT -5
She treats you the way you allow yourself to be treated.
. Standing up for yourself and demanding respect while being respectful will serve you well not only for your current spouse but for the next woman in your life you have yet to meet.... Demanding respect is a bit like "The Talk". It should be backed up by a prepared form of consequences. If the disrespect continues, what are you ready to do? My wife had the hardest time with my daughter's abusive behavior. She finally avoided her 24-7. It took months for my daughter to realize things has changed after 19-20 years. Demands for respect with nothing to back it up, can garner even MORE contempt. The abuser knows they wouldn't put up with what they give you and think of you as their inferior for that reason on top of whatever else they were judging you for before that. Having no consequences for disrespect can, as the phrase goes ( baza again? ironhamster?), "shred your cred". I guess a demand for respect is it's own kind of "The Talk". More general, but I can see a result just as dramatic all the way up to divorce. Demanding respect may ruin a lot of the value you have to an abuser. Sick as that sounds.
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Post by lessingham on Oct 16, 2020 4:42:14 GMT -5
I agree, I will challenge disrespect and apply the correct deterrant. Now...... where did I put that anal lube? (laughing)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 6:45:34 GMT -5
I agree, I will challenge disrespect and apply the correct deterrant. Now...... where did I put that anal lube? (laughing)
I think I know what you meant, but when I first read that I was like "damn, that request will surprise her!"
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