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Post by greatcoastal on May 11, 2016 12:43:03 GMT -5
Welcome! Feel free to open and share! You will get a lot of " me too" comments here.
For example, exercise and changing your diet are all good things. But you have to be highly motivated to even start those things, ( most of the time). What helped me in my depressed state was things I could spend on. Nothing high priced. Go get your hair done, have your car washed, buy some new shoes, get a pedicure, go watch a movie, go have some ice cream. Leave the house more often, enjoy the night sky, watch the sun rise, buy some music, get a good book. Take a long bath, get a massage go take some photographs, go to the park.( I just came back from spending an hour in the ocean, catching waves, cost me $ 1.65 for a new container of " sex wax" ( that's the brand name!). Then work your way up to finding a support group, a charity to get involved in. And later when you are ready talk to a lawyer, and find out how a divorce would shake out for you. Here's a " get out of jail free card"
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Post by JMX on May 11, 2016 12:57:18 GMT -5
What everyone here has said is excellent advice - so I will be a little repetitive. I have been part of this group for almost 3 years. It has been an eye-opening, learning experience. What you need: 1.) to read here voraciously 2.) at least one IRL friend or family member you can talk to about everything 3.) glad you are in individual therapy 4.). Find a bunch of friends and acquaintances you can pal around with - weekly if possible. 5.) journaling about my "future life" has been a positive experience. 6.) I also am living with my refuser who is trying to "work" on our marriage - it's tough. It is entirely for financial reasons. I don't think this is your problem, but since I mostly stopped drinking, I am way less depressed. 7.). Try really hard to deny reset sex - this is something I am not sure I can do. 8.) consider long and hard if you have the ability to compartmentalize your emotions. This will help you in a host of ways, but if you can - consider a FWB situation. I am not sure I can, so I have not done it. 9.) if you cannot do FWB, flirt shamelessly with everyone and see what response you get. This is something bballgirl advised and I think it has helped me. I have only been working on this this week. 10.). Even though it was hard, letting go of the things I could not control (him) and focusing on what I can control (me) was hard to get to but helped a lot! I like seeing the scale go down and being in control of my weight loss plan (for example). 11.). Remember who you are and what makes you special. I am sure there are things you were proud of many moons ago - remember those things and do them or feel them! 12.) read a bunch of books about divorce and children to handle that when you come to it! I would say, I was depressed enough about 6 months ago where I probably needed medication. I am not there anymore, but let me tell you - I felt absolutely, certifiably crazy. If you feel like this at all - maybe considering medication would be helpful. I did come out of it, but mostly from being here with these fine people. Good luck! Sounds like you are well ahead of the game with back up and exit plans in place! I am sorry they are long-term, but I cannot believe how fast the last 32 months have been for me. ** sorry so long!!
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Post by Rhapsodee on May 11, 2016 13:48:31 GMT -5
What I do need is to eat better, exercise, go places, lift my head up, walk tall, live my life. Good list. You forgot one: "individual therapy". Talk therapy has been ENORMOUSLY helpful on me getting to an "even keel" in the past decade. Here's why therapy will help: when you are conflicted ("I want to do A and B but I can't do both"), then professional talk therapy can help A LOT. Your therapist will help you get to the bottom of YOU; how to reconcile which of those you want to do more; how to help you gain the strength/courage to pick one, deal with the downsides, but move forward focusing on the upsides of the one you picked. Also eventually: start making a serious exit plan. You'll definitely need to talk to a lawyer. You may also want to talk to a financial planner. A few others are variations on what you've already mentioned: cultivate the friendships you have; make some new ones; rely on us here at ILIASM forum or other online resources. As for finding friends to do stuff with, consider checking out Meetup.com. I agree with Dan about the talk therapy. It's something I need to do. I do everything I can for myself. It's my revenge. I socialize, exercise, and watch my weight. I get antiaging treatments, shop and flirt. It helps but doesn't kill the elephant in the room.
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Post by wewbwb on May 11, 2016 13:54:07 GMT -5
Welcome and know that you are not alone. The advice that the others gave is spot on so I won't repeat it. Just know that you are not alone and we are all here to support you. Thank you, truly. Suddenly, I don't feel so alone. Amazing an online community could do that for me. Should've joined years ago. While we all welcome you warmly, I can't help to feel a little saddened that you feel the NEED to be here. Regardless Welcome and you all support you. You are a brave a strong woman and remember this: It's NOT you.
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Post by Dan on May 11, 2016 14:24:06 GMT -5
I agree with Dan about the talk therapy. It's something I need to do. I do everything I can for myself. It's my revenge. I socialize, exercise, and watch my weight. I get antiaging treatments, shop and flirt. It helps but doesn't kill the elephant in the room. Rhapsodee: you need to apply the "Rhapsodee-patented formula for getting rid of unwanted things": burn it. That's right: burn the elephant in the room. (Best served with Elephant Sauce...)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 15:39:14 GMT -5
Thank you, truly. Suddenly, I don't feel so alone. Amazing an online community could do that for me. Should've joined years ago. While we all welcome you warmly, I can't help to feel a little saddened that you feel the NEED to be here. Regardless Welcome and you all support you. You are a brave a strong woman and remember this: It's NOT you. Yes, it's NOT me. Thank you. I keep forgetting that though. He keeps telling me it's me and I'm stupid enough to keep believing it! must stop listening to him!!
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Post by wewbwb on May 11, 2016 15:43:10 GMT -5
While we all welcome you warmly, I can't help to feel a little saddened that you feel the NEED to be here. Regardless Welcome and you all support you. You are a brave a strong woman and remember this: It's NOT you. Yes, it's NOT me. Thank you. I keep forgetting that though. He keeps telling me it's me and I'm stupid enough to keep believing it! must stop listening to him!! Just start listening to us.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 15:44:20 GMT -5
I do everything I can for myself. It's my revenge. I socialize, exercise, and watch my weight. I get antiaging treatments, shop and flirt. It helps but doesn't kill the elephant in the room. How do you manage to socialize normally with the elephant in your life, iykwim? I feel like I am living a lie sometimes - I've got the husband at home who's an asshole and a boozer and I'm supposed to go out there and pretend we're living the dream? I can't do it. It takes too much mental space for me. So, I avoid a lot of community events and gatherings. I spread my friends far away from my daily life so I can be real with them and not have it coming back to my life, if that makes sense. Everyone thinks my husband is perfect and I'm not going to be the one to tell them otherwise. No one would believe how he treats me at home. So there's all that too. Oh yeah, and I when I shop, he gets pissed. I can't win!
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Post by Rhapsodee on May 11, 2016 16:29:44 GMT -5
I do everything I can for myself. It's my revenge. I socialize, exercise, and watch my weight. I get antiaging treatments, shop and flirt. It helps but doesn't kill the elephant in the room. How do you manage to socialize normally with the elephant in your life, iykwim? I feel like I am living a lie sometimes - I've got the husband at home who's an asshole and a boozer and I'm supposed to go out there and pretend we're living the dream? I can't do it. It takes too much mental space for me. So, I avoid a lot of community events and gatherings. I spread my friends far away from my daily life so I can be real with them and not have it coming back to my life, if that makes sense. Everyone thinks my husband is perfect and I'm not going to be the one to tell them otherwise. No one would believe how he treats me at home. So there's all that too. Oh yeah, and I when I shop, he gets pissed. I can't win! I don't pretend that things are perfect, I can't because it's not. I simply don't talk about my husband or my marriage. That is my solution. The elephant stays at home. I am reading a book about how devastating shame is. We feel shame for being sexless when we are not the problem. I decided a few years ago to not hide my son's bipolar illness, to do so would mean I am ashamed of him. It is a part of my world and when people ask about him I tell them the truth. What would happen if we were to start being honest with our friends and family about our sexless marriage? Would our world open up or would they turn away? I think my closest friends are aware there is some issue in our marriage but they can't put their finger on it. But then what marriage is perfect?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 16:45:07 GMT -5
Everyone thinks my husband is perfect and I'm not going to be the one to tell them otherwise. No one would believe how he treats me at home. Are you sure about this? I hear it all the time, but I'm not sure anyone that sees much of you and/or him is completely in the dark. And if they don't see much or any of him, that's enlightening in itself. I don't think anyone is at all "In the Dark" regarding my wife. And I can think of 10 couples that may be thinking they're pulling off a real incognito trick where the truth is obvious. Look, genuinely decent folks are comfortable and sociable. If you know couple where one of them is hyper controlled or absent ALL THE TIME, there's something wrong. Normal folks aren't afraid to let their hair down or allow others into their "Inner Sanctum". Please consider this. And, how many of you here that left a bad marriage with a nut case, had old friends and family come to you after the announcement of the separation to say they never liked X? Or told you they suspected X was a jerk at home while you assumed everyone loved him?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 16:47:11 GMT -5
Thanks, that's helpful. I have to think on it some more. No easy answers...
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 17:16:43 GMT -5
I was at a social event with lots of friends. It was one of those goofy picnics where there were jumpies for the kids, cooking out, horseshoes, and the whole shebang. Lots of couples and kids.
I was there with my kids (wife doesn't like these things) and we decided to put a sprinkler on one of the jumpies and within a few minutes, the dads were on it playing with the kids (the women stayed off for obvious reasons).
Afterwards, I'm soaked and sitting with some of the adults having a beer or two and one of the women whose husband was not there (he's 400+ lbs, cannot take the heat well, and wouldn't do well on the water soaked jumpie) asked another of the women whose husband also wasn't there where he was. This second woman's husband is NEVER there. So, she starts making a bunch of plausible excuses related to his government related job with impromptu conference calls, etc.
The inquiring woman just kept asking how these things always keep the husband from showing up for any of these fun events. I was terribly uncomfortable because it should be obvious to everyone: The guy is a jerk. The woman is a high energy, highly involved, beautiful woman, and the husband is NEVER around.
I know what his deal is. He's an insecure butt hole that hates to be around where his wife is obviously popular, powerful, and outgoing. I'm sure at home, he's trying to control her and undermine all of her stuff, but she's the kind that simply goes on with her and the kids' lives and he can be damned.
She's not proud of it and was obviously sensitive to the line of questioning. I'm sure if the truth was known, she thinks everyone else thinks he's a swell guy. But everyone knows.
AND: My wife hates these things largely because I do "Stupid" stuff like put sprinklers on jumpies, make and play on adult slip and slides, and generally embarrass her.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 17:31:57 GMT -5
This idea that "Everyone loves him" and "Nobody Knows" gets me going.
I know a woman that trains retrievers. I thought she was a professional or something because she frequently shows up to trials with two dogs and they're VERY competitive. After seeing her at trials in another state and then again at a park near my home, I pull over, say HI, and talk to her for a while. I find out that she's married, not professional, AND that her husband has nothing to do with hunting or dogs. WTF? Well, she must have come from a hunting home and it's so ingrained in her that she cannot stop. Nope, she's only been doing this for 5 years, and those are her first two dogs. I didn't speak to her again or about anything else, but I'll bet everything I have that: - Husband's a Dick
- She's Sexless (maybe by choice, but she's not fucking her husband)
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Post by JMX on May 11, 2016 17:44:40 GMT -5
@creelunion
"I know what his deal is. He's an insecure butt hole that hates to be around where his wife is obviously popular, powerful, and outgoing. I'm sure at home, he's trying to control her and undermine all of her stuff..."
At the risk of sounding a little smug, I suspect this is the case for me. My MIL is much like me in this aspect as well, and although he loves his mother, I suspect he blames his mother for a lot of childhood issues (none of which he has vocalized) and uses me as his punching bag subconsciously.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 17:51:45 GMT -5
@creelunion "I know what his deal is. He's an insecure butt hole that hates to be around where his wife is obviously popular, powerful, and outgoing. I'm sure at home, he's trying to control her and undermine all of her stuff..." At the risk of sounding a little smug, I suspect this is the case for me. My MIL is much like me in this aspect as well, and although he loves his mother, I suspect he blames his mother for a lot of childhood issues (none of which he has vocalized) and uses me as his punching bag subconsciously. I Guarantee you are correct in that regard. I saw your picture with half of his face edited out, but I saw a totally hot confident woman standing with a lost boy. If I saw that, I KNOW everyone else with half a eye for body language sees it as well. You should have photoshopped him completely out of the photo. Don't get me started with insecure domineering women and their boys. Let me play profiler for a minute: Your MIL was/is controlling to the degree possible with her boys and your husband's dad was either absent or passive in the extreme? Maybe beaten to a pulp of a man by MIL? Husband has never completely cut the apron strings?
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