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Post by WindSister on Sept 12, 2017 9:30:46 GMT -5
This thread is killing me.
Am I really hearing "I would rather settle than be alone?"
I get that each relationship is different - the dynamics, the fine details we on the board don't even know about come into play, but oh my gosh -- Even at my loneliest (and TRUST ME, I had lonely days where I found myself on my knees, ugly crying) I would not have considered going back to my EX. I guess my relationship with him was BAD (not lukewarm, ICE COLD) so it was easier for me to have made that permanent decision with no regret. I feel for those who waiver between returning to a situation they felt was so bad they had to end or "being alone."
I put "being alone" in quotations because that's not really what is happening and that's not really the only choice, is it? Again, fine details are at play that we don't pick up on the boards in each situation.
As far as dating apps -- it's all part of the process. I was SO disappointed once from a man who lied to me. His picture on the dating site was clearly 10 years old but I didn't realize that until after I met him. In his dating picture he had pitch dark hair and mustache/beard (really nicely trimmed) but then in person, his face was thinner and his hair/beard was ALL GRAY. I was not shallow for being disappointed, I was lied to. Better to be honest. Rather have someone like you for you then try to trick them into liking you. Would I have passed him up with his current picture? Yes, because it was a deal breaker for me if someone was outside of my age range by a decade or more (in either direction). He actually lied about his age, too. I did tell him that was wrong, He said no women wanted him if he was honest. His attitude is the problem, not his age.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 9:49:53 GMT -5
I would never go back to somebody who was outright abusive towards me.
But sooner or later, I'm going to be so old and ugly that no man will want to be sexual with me. At that point - knowing I would never have the really good kind of love again - then yes, I'd settle for a bland, no-pulses deal if we were really good to each other in other ways.
The only reason I'm still trying is that I've been led to believe I'm not yet that old or that ugly. It seems I can attract any man that I don't feel quite right about, LOL. I'm still hoping that a miracle will occur and the feelings will be mutual someday.
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Post by Caris on Sept 12, 2017 10:47:07 GMT -5
I would never go back to somebody who was outright abusive towards me. But sooner or later, I'm going to be so old and ugly that no man will want to be sexual with me. At that point - knowing I would never have the really good kind of love again - then yes, I'd settle for a bland, no-pulses deal if we were really good to each other in other ways. The only reason I'm still trying is that I've been led to believe I'm not yet that old or that ugly. It seems I can attract any man that I don't feel quite right about, LOL. I'm still hoping that a miracle will occur and the feelings will be mutual someday. I agree, and understand this, Kat. I am older than you, and what has shocked me is what a difference one-year makes in the aging process. 60 th birthday, looking older, but my body was still young looking. 61st birthday WTH happened? Total shock that my body skin aged 10-20 years in 12-months. Even between June this year to now, my face and body have aged more, so I'm there already...old and ugly. I repulse myself, so I'm sure not going to let a man near me like this. I've seen women in their 70s look better than I do. I put it down to prolonged stress and little sleep over many years. The body can't repair itself without adequate sleep. This may not happen to you because you had some years of happiness, and perhaps enough sleep, so you may last longer in the looks department. I hope so, and I hope your special guy comes along sooner rather than later.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 12, 2017 12:28:17 GMT -5
"But sooner or later, I'm going to be so old and ugly that no man will want to be sexual with me. At that point - knowing I would never have the really good kind of love again - then yes, I'd settle for a bland, no-pulses deal if we were really good to each other in other ways."
Other than committing suicide, we have no choice about aging. We do have a lot of choice about how we age. We can choose to be angry and bitter so that anger a bitterness gets etched onto our faces and makes us ugly. We can choose to volunteer and get involved in activities that enrich our and others' souls.our vivacity and kindness and enthusiasm will also be reflected beautifully in our faces.
We also can choose to take care of our physical bodies by avoiding sun damage, by exercising and having proper nutrition. These self care activities also will feed our souls and make us radiate beauty.
I've read articles about aged couples whose romances, including sex, happened in nursing homes. They didn't look like movie stars. Some even were in wheelchairs. What seemed to make them stand out was a zest for life. That's beauty that is possible for everyone.
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Post by WindSister on Sept 12, 2017 12:53:41 GMT -5
I've read articles about aged couples whose romances, including sex, happened in nursing homes. They didn't look like movie stars. Some even were in wheelchairs. What seemed to make them stand out was a zest for life. That's beauty that is possible for everyone. Amen. If I say anything more I will just appear smug and uncaring. So, just, AMEN.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 13:58:58 GMT -5
All I want is to know for sure whether the really good part of my life is over forever. If it is - I'll adapt to it.
It's not knowing for sure that drives me nuts.
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Post by Caris on Sept 12, 2017 14:49:47 GMT -5
"But sooner or later, I'm going to be so old and ugly that no man will want to be sexual with me. At that point - knowing I would never have the really good kind of love again - then yes, I'd settle for a bland, no-pulses deal if we were really good to each other in other ways." Other than committing suicide, we have no choice about aging. We do have a lot of choice about how we age. We can choose to be angry and bitter so that anger a bitterness gets etched onto our faces and makes us ugly. We can choose to volunteer and get involved in activities that enrich our and others' souls.our vivacity and kindness and enthusiasm will also be reflected beautifully in our faces. We also can choose to take care of our physical bodies by avoiding sun damage, by exercising and having proper nutrition. These self care activities also will feed our souls and make us radiate beauty. I've read articles about aged couples whose romances, including sex, happened in nursing homes. They didn't look like movie stars. Some even were in wheelchairs. What seemed to make them stand out was a zest for life. That's beauty that is possible for everyone. I don't agree with you. I work out, eat healthy, take care of my skin, although your advice about sun damage is 27-years too late for me, and I didn't sunbathe. Go to the hairdressers every 8- weeks or so, and wear nice and appropriate make-up. I've done volunteer work. I can assure you, no amount of volunteer work...or any kind of work...turns old and ugly into something sexy. That's a ridiculous statement. I always find it's the ones in happy relationships making it seem like it's our fault we are single, just because we don't conform to your idea of what it takes to find a decent partner. You don't account for different personalities...introverts and extroverts, or what psychological damage we are carrying. It's bad enough we've had to go through it, but to make it seem like we are bitter old biddies, when we are not is adding insult to injury.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 12, 2017 16:18:46 GMT -5
"work out, eat healthy, take care of my skin, although your advice about sun damage is 27-years too late for me, and I didn't sunbathe. Go to the hairdressers every 8- weeks or so, and wear nice and appropriate make-up. I've done volunteer work. I can assure you, no amount of volunteer work...or any kind of work...turns old and ugly into something sexy. That's a ridiculous statement. "
No, what's unfortunate is that you cling to the cruel assessment of the lying, sociopathic, unloving man you spent decades married to. You choose to cling to his words even though the told you he was punishing you by withholding sex. His behavior was like that of the hate filled man who occasionally posted in iliasm to chortle over hurting his wife by denying her sex.
You have told us that men on dating sites have complemented your looks. A few days ago, you posted that a man approached you for no apparent reason and engaged you in friendly conversation. Several of us said that meant he found something appealing about you.
Right now you have a choice. You can keep allowing your ex husband's poisonous words to define you or you can fight to find value in yourself including your looks. Therapy or support groups such as adult children of alcoholics (you have posted that your mom was cruel and narcissistic) might speed healing along.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 16:26:40 GMT -5
northstarmom, sometimes people want empathy more than they want step-by-step instructions. Sometimes a person just wants to hear, "I know you're unhappy, and I wish things were different for you."
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 12, 2017 17:14:36 GMT -5
Empathy also can include trying to stop someone from falling in or continuing to stay in a pit that one has been in.
I'm not going to act as if being old or ugly prevents anyone from being loved and romanced. I see no good side to believing that at some point one is destined to be too old or ugly for love or sex. If that were true, why bother to live to old age.why not just settle for scraps now?
Youth and beauty do not guarantee one will get wonderful love. Old age and homeliness don't guarantee lovelessness. Anyone can look at other people and prove those truths.
Luck is a factor as are some other things, including some factors that will up one's odds but still won't guarantee success.
I also don't like the implication that if one is ugly, one doesn't deserve love. It's not true and it's a defeatist way of looking at the world. Beauty doesn't mean one deserves love. Ugliness doesn't mean one deserves rejection and cruelty.
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Post by dinnaken on Sept 12, 2017 17:58:11 GMT -5
Hi cagedadventurer Sorry about the delayed response, it's been a really long day. Your questions deserve a detailed response but I'm sorry it's late and I've an equally long day tomorrow so I'll have to be brief. If you'd be happy for me to Private Message you, I'd be happy to give you a better response. When I asked for a separation my wife said "Yes, it isn't really working is it?". The marriage wasn't working; truth be told it had never really worked - the almost complete lack of sex was just part of it. She finally recognised the reality that we weren't a married couple beyond pretending in public. I wasn't angry or resentful - it was over and that was that. She knew I'd thought it through and made up my mind. She knew me well enough to realise that if I'd come to that point then that was it. It takes two to have a fight and I wasn't going to fight. There was nothing to fight over. The marriage had come to an end and we had to find a way of living separately. She was unhappy and I was unhappy; she would never have called time on the marriage but thankfully I did. She did try to work up some anger but I forestalled that. She was was fearful (as was I) separating is unpleasant, sad, stressful etc. but you can be amicable and make it work for both of you. I think she is lonely. I think she made the wrong call when she declared that she was going to be the one to move out and make a fresh start and I think she realises that now. That was her choice and she has to live with it, as I have to live with mine. Right now I am not lonely; I have worked hard to keep in touch with family and friends and to get back in touch with people I had lost contact with as I retreated into myself to escape from the loneliness of my marriage. If I am lucky to live to extreme old age I will become more lonely as family and friends die but that goes for all of us - including those surviving spouses from happy marriages. Meanwhile I am happy and content. The initial phase of 'stunned serenity' is coming to and end and I am beginning to get moving again. I'm working to repair the psychological damage caused by the marriage and I'm getting out of the house and 'doing stuff'. My wife doesn't live that far away from me. When we interact she is curt and seems angry - those are her problems not mine. I don't think she is in denial and she has not tried to reach out to me. We live separate lives and that's that. I hope this helps but if you want to PM me (or visa versa) you are more than welcome to do so. All the best
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Post by obobfla on Sept 12, 2017 19:42:49 GMT -5
Caris, to paraphrase Forrest Gump - "Sexy is as sexy does!" Men may talk about breasts and bums, and they definitely get our attention. But the sexiest thing about a woman is the way she feels about herself. Funny, women tell me the same thing about men. Means more than hot buns, penis size, and six-pack abs to them. I feel for you. I sometimes think that I've made a terrible mistake in choosing a wife. Even if I got out now, I wonder if anyone would want me again. Yes, I could probably get laid. Since there are more single women my age than single men, the odds are in my favor. But will I ever have that magical relationship where being around a certain woman gets me excited and reassures me at the same time. It's the kind where I am pinching myself to see if it's real and that she really likes me. Right now, I am not actively looking for that. I still have my wife, even though we will most likely never have sex again. She is recovering, but I don't think she will ever realize how precious life really is - even though she almost lost hers. Right now, the major roadblock to her recovery is her unwillingness to push herself through the therapy and get off the ventilator. Plus, I have a 14-year-old boy to get through to adulthood on my own. I don't have the energy for a relationship right now. But there will come a time where I will just say "Fuck it" and get somebody. My male ego is a precious thing, and I have to feed it every once in a while. I may be a bit weird or a jackass sometimes, but I do deserve a woman who likes both herself and me.
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Post by baza on Sept 12, 2017 20:26:56 GMT -5
There was a member - since deleted - by the name of roch643 (or something like that). He posted a lot for a while, even put up some pics of himself (quite a presentable bloke too) and his muscle car. He seemed like an ok sort of fellow. But boy oh boy, he was the best exponent of self-put downs, self-criticisms, and rarely let a post go by where he didn't note how no-one found him attractive or ever would. And he was most likely correct, as that mindset was the prism through which he viewed things, and consequently, that was his reality. That was the authentic roch643. This is where you Sister Caris , are ahead of the game. At the bare minimum, you are at least seeing some evidence that blokes DO find you attractive. Now at this point, the "right" bloke hasn't emerged, but it does seem that your prism is at least partially open, at least a teeny bit, to the possibility that there *might* possibly, maybe, perhaps be a decent bloke (or blokes) out there. So if some decent bloke crosses your path, you are at least some sort of a chance of seeing said bloke. Former Brother roch643 was no chance whatsoever of seeing such a thing.
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Post by shamwow on Sept 13, 2017 8:21:20 GMT -5
There was a member - since deleted - by the name of roch643 (or something like that). He posted a lot for a while, even put up some pics of himself (quite a presentable bloke too) and his muscle car. He seemed like an ok sort of fellow. But boy oh boy, he was the best exponent of self-put downs, self-criticisms, and rarely let a post go by where he didn't note how no-one found him attractive or ever would. And he was most likely correct, as that mindset was the prism through which he viewed things, and consequently, that was his reality. That was the authentic roch643. This is where you Sister Caris , are ahead of the game. At the bare minimum, you are at least seeing some evidence that blokes DO find you attractive. Now at this point, the "right" bloke hasn't emerged, but it does seem that your prism is at least partially open, at least a teeny bit, to the possibility that there *might* possibly, maybe, perhaps be a decent bloke (or blokes) out there. So if some decent bloke crosses your path, you are at least some sort of a chance of seeing said bloke. Former Brother roch643 was no chance whatsoever of seeing such a thing. To paraphrase Henry Ford... If you think you can do something you're right. If you think you can't do something you're also right. Life is often a self fulfilling prophesy. The really good news us that you are the prophet. That last one is one I just made up in Houston traffic
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Post by Isabellas39 on Sept 13, 2017 9:07:45 GMT -5
So, if I put into the dating service "50 something overweight bearded man seeks fairly attractive woman for sexual partner. Let's try one night together and see if we click," I will get lots of responses, right? Lol You may ! There are a few women that want just that, but IMO honesty is the best way to go...Why lie about what you're looking for? You'll just be wasting everyone's time including yours. I will definitely agree with you Caris,that some men in their 50's look as if they're close to 70. I also can't stand it when men agree say they're seeking the same thing, agree that conversation and connection are important only to find out a few weeks down the line they were just full of shit because they act too damn busy to even send a quick text...
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