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Post by mypaintbrushes on Aug 15, 2017 22:34:24 GMT -5
All I can say is I felt like shit when I read the text. One of husband's complaints is that I'm "extremely self absorbed". I just take and take and take. It sounds like he's got it completely backwards. You've had unbelievable tolerance with him. Thank you for saying that.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Aug 15, 2017 23:11:41 GMT -5
It sounds like he's got it completely backwards. You've had unbelievable tolerance with him. Thank you for saying that. I believe that I was self-absorbed. Because my basic need for love & respect was unmet. I think that may be a normal self-preservation type of response, honestly. I would caution that you put no trust in your refusers opinion of you. That goes for @creelunion too btw. It has been easier now to think of others because I live alone & am not being discounted daily in my comings & goings. You are really giving, mpb. And you've been exceedingly tolerant!
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Post by mypaintbrushes on Aug 15, 2017 23:29:31 GMT -5
Thank you for saying that. I believe that I was self-absorbed. Because my basic need for love & respect was unmet. I think that may be a normal self-preservation type of response, honestly. I would caution that you put no trust in your refusers opinion of you. That goes for @creelunion too btw. It has been easier now to think of others because I live alone & am not being discounted daily in my comings & goings. You are really giving, mpb. And you've been exceedingly tolerant! Thank you for saying that.
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Post by northstarmom on Aug 16, 2017 5:45:26 GMT -5
"Well, I got a text from my friend tonight reminding me about an event at another friend's house tomorrow… I don't remember the date being confirmed, but I completely forgot anyhow. His follow-up text to me in formed me that it was important that I show up tomorrow, because another person in the group has been very sad lately, with having bought a brand new house and with her daughter starting school ."
It is not your job to take care of that other Persyn's emotions. It is your job to take care of you. Meanwhile, you are depressed and lack confidence and self esteem. Why? A history of childhood trauma -- abuse from your dad--and living with an emotionally and verbally abusive husband whose irresponsible behavior is having you worry about bankruptcy.
You need to take care of yourself: individual therapy and also a support group like Al Anon; consultation with a financial planner; consultation with a lawyer so you can get a legal separation including separating your finances so your husband's financial irresponsibility doesn't impact you even more.
What you have your head up your ass about is how selfish and sbusivr your husband is and how it's ruining your life to remain with him. It's also hurting your kids. He breaks things when angry. That has to be frightening for them. His financial irresponsibility also is hurting them as is your enabling and protecting and tolerating your husband, which is showing them what to expect in their own love relationships. Your staying with a man who puts you down also teaches your kids you aren't worthy of respect, and it's ok to leech off you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 7:51:49 GMT -5
mypaintbrushes, A very wise friend coached me over the past year on my social network. Not the virtual one -- the REAL ONE. Please focus on the REAL one. It's small and "Likes" come in the form of soft smiles. Like you, I own a business and have for the past 24 years. Most of my "Acquaintances" are employees and clients. I also have a wife -- as GeekGoddess mentioned -- that's made a cottage industry of undermining my confidence and isolating me from family and friends. Here's where you're going: Toiling into an early grave without true and meaningful relationships. I'm not suggesting you ditch the social networking. It's probably necessary for your business. But I am suggesting you aggressively reconnect with those 5 close friends and family members that are "Good". By "Good", I mean hopefully better than you are. Remember most of us settle to the average of our most significant relationships. So, make this core Social Network count. In my case, I called the high school buddy 1,000 miles away and reconnected. We met in a central venue and attended a convention. I called the best man from my wedding, paid for lunch for us to meet and told him about my marriage mess. I reconnected deeply with my business partner of 24 years (friends for nearly 30). We had become competing employees in a company with no one above us to make us get along. And I made a NEW friend of a wiser, older, more spiritually mature man and confided in him all of my personal and business messes. I meet with this guy at least once per week at a local Starbucks, and we just talk. He's a super smart and accomplished guy. I think this "Mentor" is important. And as you get comfortable, you might consider mentoring someone yourself. A competitor maybe. Get bold. And I began individual counseling. This past year has changed my life profoundly. I've experienced a Quantum Change of sorts. I know it all sounds cliche, but it's profound, it works, and I don't think there's any alternative to it. We're social creatures. REAL™ social creatures. Recognise that and nurture this almost central feature of your humanity.
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Post by mypaintbrushes on Aug 16, 2017 9:45:25 GMT -5
So I took a small step last night. Going to keep it a little close to my vest at this time, but you all would approve.,. Trust me!
Thank you for the pep talk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 10:42:15 GMT -5
So I took a small step last night. Going to keep it a little close to my vest at this time, but you all would approve.,. Trust me! Thank you for the pep talk. Another thing my Wise Friend told me is Evil cannot exist in the Light. So, I'm getting all my stuff out into the light.
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Post by mypaintbrushes on Aug 16, 2017 12:28:37 GMT -5
So I took a small step last night. Going to keep it a little close to my vest at this time, but you all would approve.,. Trust me! Thank you for the pep talk. Another thing my Wise Friend told me is Evil cannot exist in the Light. So, I'm getting all my stuff out into the light. Very true!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 13:53:55 GMT -5
I seem to have this problem, and I would love it if I knew why. My ex tired of me after we'd been together about 6 years. He started staying out super late at night, drinking, smoking pot, and withholding sex. My current husband I guess decided he was kind of done with me once I got pregnant - though we started having issues at about 3 years into our relationship (I didn't respond as strongly to a world event as he would have liked). My friends do this too. They are all about hanging out and whatnot, then, after a few years, it's like they have no use for me anymore (the exceptions being my few closest friends). Any ideas? I don't ignore people. I respond quickly to texts, etc (maybe that's the problem?), and I will drop anything to be there for someone. Maybe I come on too strong? Or they decide I'm too quirky? One of the things my husband is always telling me is that I come across as "cold" and somewhat "calculating". Also self-absorbed. Just wondering if anyone knows what I'm talking a lot or can shed a light. This seems to be very common among those of us who endure a sexless marriage. Since we are caring and loving people, when things are not working out, we immediately look at ourselves to see what we have done wrong and what we can do different to correct the situation. This is because we tend to be very empathetic and caring people. So we don't look for ways to blame others for our situation. Instead, we look for things we can do to improve things. I believe that is why the ILIASM romances are so successful. You combine TWO people who take personal responsiblity for the relationship and they are constantly trying to build up the other person. Then you end up with two people who are encouraged and are encouraging each other.
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Post by DryCreek on Aug 16, 2017 15:11:16 GMT -5
This seems to be very common among those of us who endure a sexless marriage. Since we are caring and loving people, when things are not working out, we immediately look at ourselves to see what we have done wrong and what we can do different to correct the situation. This is because we tend to be very empathetic and caring people. So we don't look for ways to blame others for our situation. Instead, we look for things we can do to improve things. I believe that is why the ILIASM romances are so successful. You combine TWO people who take personal responsiblity for the relationship and they are constantly trying to build up the other person. Then you end up with two people who are encouraged and are encouraging each other. I couldn't agree more, on both counts. It sucks that it takes such trauma to create such opportunity, but perhaps good can come from it .
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Post by greatcoastal on Aug 16, 2017 15:29:03 GMT -5
This seems to be very common among those of us who endure a sexless marriage. Since we are caring and loving people, when things are not working out, we immediately look at ourselves to see what we have done wrong and what we can do different to correct the situation. This is because we tend to be very empathetic and caring people. So we don't look for ways to blame others for our situation. Instead, we look for things we can do to improve things. I believe that is why the ILIASM romances are so successful. You combine TWO people who take personal responsiblity for the relationship and they are constantly trying to build up the other person. Then you end up with two people who are encouraged and are encouraging each other. You will also notice that our spouses are not on websites like these looking to see what they have done wrong, and what they can do to correct the situation. The same exact point was brought up last night at my Divorce Recovery class. We were going over our Briggs Myers results. It was mentioned how you don't see our spouses coming to these classes, for an entire year, so they can correct the situation, even for themselves. Good luck convincing them that any of this could be their fault. Another good reason for when the time is right to look for healing from others who have taken a responsible attitude towards righting a SM. Looking for someone who you have something in common with. Something that was very influential in your life.
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Post by mypaintbrushes on Aug 16, 2017 18:49:13 GMT -5
All great points, thank you.
Anyone who is nice to me holds a place in my heart these days. Kind of sad. But it's good to know I'm far from alone!
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Post by obobfla on Aug 16, 2017 23:13:39 GMT -5
mypaintbrushes, I keep reading your posts and seeing a pattern of someone who really wants to be liked. That's understandable. I want to be liked too. I kept thinking that I was defective and sought out people who were defective like me. That's not a problem, as we are all defective to some degree. But I was finding some pretty defective women to date. I thought they would be the only ones who would like me. I know I bitch about my wife here. She's nothing compared to some of the women I dated. After a DUI, I admitted I was an alcoholic. Early in my sobriety, I read on a meeting bulletin board something that has helped me stay sober for 23 years. It was this: "An alcoholic is someone who thinks he or she would be the emperor of the world were it not for a conspiracy between a vengeful god and the people in that person's life." I was trying to run the world my way and fix other people. I decided then and there to quit being the world emperor and worry about me for a change. That involved not taking myself too seriously or worry too much if people liked me or not. I believe I am a nice guy, but I realize there are people who think I am an asshole. Fine! If I'm an asshole, so be it. In relationships, I tried to be the white knight riding in to save women from all sorts of dragons. As any Game of Thrones fan can tell you, there are women who can handle dragons on their own. If and when I become single again, I will take some time for myself first. Then I will look for a woman who handles dragons well. So, how does this apply to you? I don't know. I just see a pattern of someone who finds herself wanting and tries to fill the hole within herself with other people. You worry that you are turning people off, yet you still have some close friends. You're doing better than average. It's like Cindy Crawford thinking she is ugly because of the mole on her face. Outside of your marriage, you are ok. You have your tribe.
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Post by mypaintbrushes on Aug 17, 2017 1:06:23 GMT -5
mypaintbrushes, I keep reading your posts and seeing a pattern of someone who really wants to be liked. That's understandable. I want to be liked too. I kept thinking that I was defective and sought out people who were defective like me. That's not a problem, as we are all defective to some degree. But I was finding some pretty defective women to date. I thought they would be the only ones who would like me. I know I bitch about my wife here. She's nothing compared to some of the women I dated. After a DUI, I admitted I was an alcoholic. Early in my sobriety, I read on a meeting bulletin board something that has helped me stay sober for 23 years. It was this: "An alcoholic is someone who thinks he or she would be the emperor of the world were it not for a conspiracy between a vengeful god and the people in that person's life." I was trying to run the world my way and fix other people. I decided then and there to quit being the world emperor and worry about me for a change. That involved not taking myself too seriously or worry too much if people liked me or not. I believe I am a nice guy, but I realize there are people who think I am an asshole. Fine! If I'm an asshole, so be it. In relationships, I tried to be the white knight riding in to save women from all sorts of dragons. As any Game of Thrones fan can tell you, there are women who can handle dragons on their own. If and when I become single again, I will take some time for myself first. Then I will look for a woman who handles dragons well. So, how does this apply to you? I don't know. I just see a pattern of someone who finds herself wanting and tries to fill the hole within herself with other people. You worry that you are turning people off, yet you still have some close friends. You're doing better than average. It's like Cindy Crawford thinking she is ugly because of the mole on her face. Outside of your marriage, you are ok. You have your tribe. So, tonight I went to a friend's house to hang out and watch movies with other friends, and ended up talking the entire time. About me. They are all worried. They all care about me.
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Post by DryCreek on Aug 17, 2017 1:24:51 GMT -5
So, tonight I went to a friend's house to hang out and watch movies with other friends, and ended up talking the entire time. About me. They are all worried. They all care about me. Excellent! That's a great start. Kudos for being just a little selfish once in a while.
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