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Post by shamwow on Nov 7, 2017 14:46:02 GMT -5
It just occurred to me...since I fisted a pig on Friday, does that make me a pigfucker? Pigfister yes, pigfucker no. Paul the Pigfister I think I have found my true WWE persona.
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Post by shamwow on Nov 13, 2017 9:56:12 GMT -5
T-Plus 123: Divorce Finalized The nightmare is always the same. I simply cannot remember it. The only reason I know that the nightmares even happen is that ballofconfusion and I do what we call "skype sleep". Basically, we set up Skype when we go to bed and if we wake up in the night can still see the other. It's a poor substitute for being there face to face all of the time, but it does help fill in the periods (usually 10 days) from when one of us leaves until we see each other again. When you've got a 1300 mile distance between you, even little things like this are really important. So over Skype, BOC has seen me awaken flailing around in agony early into my sleep cycle. She's seen a look of agony pinned to my face and me incoherently moaning in obvious distress. At first, we thought this was a physical pain. I've got a torn rotator cuff and sometimes if I sleep funny, it DOES hurt. Usually, over Skype she wakes up when this happens and she talks to me. Apparently, this helps, because I usually seem comforted and go back to sleep (she is a much lighter sleeper than I am). We've never seen this happen in person...until this weekend (our 8th weekend together). Saturday night, I woke up thrashing. When she touched me, I would sit up, turn away, or curl into a ball. Again, with the look of agony on my face. She had to be careful because if I started really flailing I could actually hurt her (I'm MUCH bigger than she is). But since I was in person, she tried to engage me in conversation (which is harder to do on Skype). Most of what I spoke of was rambling gibberish, but I did talk about my ex wife. I don't have much memory of these conversations. See, during my SM, my ex wife and I shared a bed. I would put my arm around her, perhaps even try to put my hand over a breast. She would forcibly take my hand and...I guess the best way to put it is to cast it aside. She would skitter from me to the point of falling off the bed to get away. Anything but allow me to really touch her. When this happened, I would either go to the other side of the bed and fume or I would grab some blankets and a pillow and sleep on the couch. This went on for DECADES. I, of course, remember this, but locked those feelings and pain away in a deep dungeon of my mind. Well, not that I'm out of my marriage and I'm finally secure, I think those feelings in the dungeon are orchestrating a jailbreak. It's important that I don't try to cast those feelings away the same way my ex cast me away. I need to let myself feel them, address them, and move on. BOC is an absolutely amazing woman. She knows the pain I have gone through since she has gone through such similar pain herself. She knows that these things will arise better than I do and is nothing but supportive, even when I thrash in the night, and yell at her in my quasi-asleep state. We both suspect that it is only because I AM in a safe place now that these emotions / memories / trauma are bubbling to the surface. Once they are allowed to see the light of day, we think they will subside. My current approach is to meditate upon these things before I go to bed. I want them to come out and get to the surface. I am trying to forgive my ex-wife for causing me more pain than any other human being has. I want to forgive. It is my hope that through forgiveness I will finally be at peace with my SM. I've already tried the pissed off route for a couple decades and it just doesn't seem to do the trick. But just like turning me into an alcoholic, it appears that my SM still has gifts left to give. But I am so glad I left, since I know how much more these issues would have compounded had I stayed. Indeed, they were well on the way to killing me.
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Post by dinnaken on Nov 13, 2017 15:54:55 GMT -5
Thanks for this shamwow It's not just you. I was thinking about raising a thread on this topic. In my SM I slept really badly (1-5 hours a night); most nights I would be up a 2-3 a.m. watching crap on the TV trying to blot it all out and stop ruminating until I became exhausted enough to get back to sleep. As soon as my wife and I split, within two days I started sleeping 6-7 hours a night BUT THE NIGHTMARES! Every night, bad dreams at best and waking up exhausted even after 6-7 hours asleep. What is it about? Like you, I assume that its the collected anxiety leaving the system but 7 months on and it shows no sign of giving up. Like you I practice meditation before bed - I want these dreams out of my head - I want to get better. I am so happy to be out of my marriage but my ex is still haunting me!! Is this a common experience, I just don't know.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Nov 13, 2017 16:19:02 GMT -5
Do you use a therapist? A Jungian trained would ask you keep a dream journal, maybe. But no recall means it would stay empty. My sister used to do lucid dreaming some. A thought to try: when meditating prior to sleeping, tell your inner self that if you do have a dream, you WILL get a flash of memory to recall it once you’ve woken. Then put a journal next to the bed in case it does work. I’m so glad we got out. I don’t remember this happening to my dreams. (I did have a couple of “drinking dreams” in early sobriety but not like this description.) I hope that remembering it once you wake up will help it not continue.
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Nov 13, 2017 16:32:06 GMT -5
Post by dinnaken on Nov 13, 2017 16:32:06 GMT -5
I have signed up for counselling; I can have a limited number of free sessions on the NHS (I'm in the UK). When I went for an appraisal he did ask me what kind of dreams I had. At the end his comment was along the lines of "You've got a lot of S**T bottled-up", the sessions should start fairly soon.
I will try what you suggest. I have been keeping a diary/journal since the beginning of the year but it's fallen off in the last month; I think I'd better start it again.
In the early days after my separation I would wake up utterly exhausted and be like a zombie at work; those really bad days are fewer now so I suppose it must be getting better but the dreams just aren't funny
Thanks
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Post by baza on Nov 13, 2017 16:46:13 GMT -5
Brother shamwow . Over 7 years out of my deal now. And still I occassionally have this same thing as you describe, thrashing about, yelling out, nightmares of which I cannot remember a thing. OTOH, I apparently have the odd hilarious dream (also unrememberable) where I laugh my arse off uncontrollably. How much of it has to do with my old ILIASM deal or other traumatic experiences I dunno. Freud could probably have a field day analyzing my "brain".
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Post by shamwow on Nov 13, 2017 18:20:02 GMT -5
Do you use a therapist? A Jungian trained would ask you keep a dream journal, maybe. But no recall means it would stay empty. My sister used to do lucid dreaming some. A thought to try: when meditating prior to sleeping, tell your inner self that if you do have a dream, you WILL get a flash of memory to recall it once you’ve woken. Then put a journal next to the bed in case it does work. I’m so glad we got out. I don’t remember this happening to my dreams. (I did have a couple of “drinking dreams” in early sobriety but not like this description.) I hope that remembering it once you wake up will help it not continue. No therapy for me (other than here) . Not sure if it's pride or just the belief that I should be able to talk this out to myself. It usually does the trick. I didn't mention it but I have done lucid dreaming before but lost the ability when my marriage went sexless. Coincidence? I found being able to enter and control my dreams fun and illustrative as to what was going on in my noggin. I do plan on doing self hypnosis when I go to sleep and planting suggestions that I will remember. This does have some degree of success for me. And I'll have the love of my life there to snap me out of it when it happens. Seems to be a good plan I guess. As far as drinking dreams... God I had those in spades back in January and February when I was first getting sober. Wake up in a hot sweat or with chills? And I wanted... Needed a drink? Honestly not sure how my sobriety survived that stage. Most of those dreams faded by, say, April.
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Nov 13, 2017 18:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by shamwow on Nov 13, 2017 18:25:30 GMT -5
Thanks for this shamwow It's not just you. I was thinking about raising a thread on this topic. In my SM I slept really badly (1-5 hours a night); most nights I would be up a 2-3 a.m. watching crap on the TV trying to blot it all out and stop ruminating until I became exhausted enough to get back to sleep. As soon as my wife and I split, within two days I started sleeping 6-7 hours a night BUT THE NIGHTMARES! Every night, bad dreams at best and waking up exhausted even after 6-7 hours asleep. What is it about? Like you, I assume that its the collected anxiety leaving the system but 7 months on and it shows no sign of giving up. Like you I practice meditation before bed - I want these dreams out of my head - I want to get better. I am so happy to be out of my marriage but my ex is still haunting me!! Is this a common experience, I just don't know. When I first announced we were getting a divorce I averaged 3 hours of sleep a night. Stress, anxiety, sadness, fear all conspired to keep me awake. Quitting drinking didn't help either. But it did pass, and now I generally get 7 or so hours of sleep a night. But these nightmares are new. Some crap is floating to the top of the septic tank and I better sort through it. It's a dirty job but I am the ONLY one who can do it. I guess it just took a bit longer for the nightmares to start for me. But I still have nightmares about missing exams in college so this probably shouldn't surprise me, I guess.
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Nov 18, 2017 8:49:55 GMT -5
Post by h on Nov 18, 2017 8:49:55 GMT -5
Thanks for this shamwow It's not just you. I was thinking about raising a thread on this topic. In my SM I slept really badly (1-5 hours a night); most nights I would be up a 2-3 a.m. watching crap on the TV trying to blot it all out and stop ruminating until I became exhausted enough to get back to sleep. As soon as my wife and I split, within two days I started sleeping 6-7 hours a night BUT THE NIGHTMARES! Every night, bad dreams at best and waking up exhausted even after 6-7 hours asleep. What is it about? Like you, I assume that its the collected anxiety leaving the system but 7 months on and it shows no sign of giving up. Like you I practice meditation before bed - I want these dreams out of my head - I want to get better. I am so happy to be out of my marriage but my ex is still haunting me!! Is this a common experience, I just don't know. When I first announced we were getting a divorce I averaged 3 hours of sleep a night. Stress, anxiety, sadness, fear all conspired to keep me awake. Quitting drinking didn't help either. But it did pass, and now I generally get 7 or so hours of sleep a night. But these nightmares are new. Some crap is floating to the top of the septic tank and I better sort through it. It's a dirty job but I am the ONLY one who can do it. I guess it just took a bit longer for the nightmares to start for me. But I still have nightmares about missing exams in college so this probably shouldn't surprise me, I guess. If it's a dirty job, maybe Mike Rowe can help!
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Post by shamwow on Nov 26, 2017 8:18:48 GMT -5
T-Plus 137: Divorce Finalized This is Thanksgiving weekend. For those of you not living in the United States, this holiday marks when our ancestors broke bread with the native American Indians shortly after arriving here. That is, of course, before we killed them and stole their land. But I digress But this Thanksgiving I have much to be thankful for. A year ago I was trapped in my SM shithole. I was a closet alcoholic porn addict. I was depressed with the occasional (idle) thought of what it would be like to go out on my motorcycle Jax-Sons of Anarchy style. This morning I find myself in a hotel room in Western Oklahoma with my kids. We are on the final leg of our annual Thanksgiving road trip that I've take them on for 15 years now. We started Thanksgivkng night after I picked the kids up from the ex. We drove through the night to Colorado Springs, Colorado. We hit the zoo, Pike's Peak, Garden of the Gods. We did some shopping, had some excellent dinners, and enjoyed ourselves. That last is the key. For the past few months it has been awkward with the kids. Adding a divorce on top of just being a teen is a recipe for angst. But this weekend felt more like how things have always been. Would they have preferred mom and dad stay together? Perhaps. But they are pretty much accepting the reality now. And for that I am thankful. I am thankful beyond belief for ballofconfusion. We are halfway through the largest gap between visits we've had so far (about a month). This is due to our schedules not matching exactly. Not something we planned when we set up our respective parenting plans. But we are working our way through the logistics. On Thursday I met her mom via Skype and we all made pancakes together ( ballofconfusion you need to use a griddle for pancakes not a wok). It was fun and I am thankful. In the new year we have set up our plans so that every 2 weeks one of us can fly to see the other. I am thankful I have it in my budget to make that happen. If I had to give advice when setting up visitation? Keep it simple. My ex and I have a shit ton of exceptions, holidays, etc built into our plan. Bad idea since it just confuses the shit out of everyone...especially the kids. Next year the ex and I are working together to tweak the plan to make more sense for both of us. For the frosty if amicable split? I am thankful. Today my daughter will chauffeur me around rural Oklahoma and Texas which will mark the 9th state she has driven in with me. Not bad for a kid who turned 17 a couple weeks ago. If we make it back alive? I will be VERY thankful. I hope everyone else had a great Thanksgiving! As for me? I truly have much to be thankful for.
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Post by shamwow on Dec 19, 2017 8:13:50 GMT -5
T-Plus 160: Divorce Finalized
Yesterday marked 1 year that I've been on the forum and it is hard to overstate the changes that have occurred in my life. If you've read this thread, you've seen the changes.
I'll be posting some more thoughts about how our first Christmas went next week, after it is over.
But in the meantime, I am so grateful for the advice/guidance/support everyone here has given me over this astonishingly transformative year.
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Post by hopingforachange on Dec 19, 2017 8:22:02 GMT -5
T-Plus 160: Divorce Finalized Yesterday marked 1 year that I've been on the forum and it is hard to overstate the changes that have occurred in my life. If you've read this thread, you've seen the changes. I'll be posting some more thoughts about how our first Christmas went next week, after it is over. But in the meantime, I am so grateful for the advice/guidance/support everyone here has given me over this astonishingly transformative year. If only other states allow for at quick of a divorce as TX allows.
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Post by shamwow on Dec 19, 2017 8:45:51 GMT -5
T-Plus 160: Divorce Finalized Yesterday marked 1 year that I've been on the forum and it is hard to overstate the changes that have occurred in my life. If you've read this thread, you've seen the changes. I'll be posting some more thoughts about how our first Christmas went next week, after it is over. But in the meantime, I am so grateful for the advice/guidance/support everyone here has given me over this astonishingly transformative year. If only other states allow for at quick of a divorce as TX allows. Ain't that the damn truth. At the current pace, for ballofconfusion it will take California close to a year to finalize what it took Texas a bit over 60 days. Why states vary so much to release two people from a bond one of them clearly no longer wants is a mystery to me. BTW in Nevada it can take as little as 14 days.
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Dec 20, 2017 3:27:37 GMT -5
Post by solodriver on Dec 20, 2017 3:27:37 GMT -5
If only other states allow for at quick of a divorce as TX allows. Ain't that the damn truth. At the current pace, for ballofconfusion it will take California close to a year to finalize what it took Texas a bit over 60 days. Why states vary so much to release two people from a bond one of them clearly no longer wants is a mystery to me. BTW in Nevada it can take as little as 14 days. I personally think it's all about money...the more you can drag something out, the more money can be made off it.
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Post by h on Dec 20, 2017 3:37:19 GMT -5
If only other states allow for at quick of a divorce as TX allows. Ain't that the damn truth. At the current pace, for ballofconfusion it will take California close to a year to finalize what it took Texas a bit over 60 days. Why states vary so much to release two people from a bond one of them clearly no longer wants is a mystery to me. BTW in Nevada it can take as little as 14 days. I know politics is a forbidden topic here but I think that is one of the biggest reasons for the differences between how divorce is handled by different states. Different political leanings based on different sets of morals/values lead to a variety of laws.
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