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Post by ModHatter on Jul 30, 2017 14:48:18 GMT -5
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Jul 30, 2017 14:53:28 GMT -5
Post by shamwow on Jul 30, 2017 14:53:28 GMT -5
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Post by becca on Jul 30, 2017 16:09:26 GMT -5
Well, when I first started this thread I had no idea I'd still be writing on page 21 of it. The original idea was that I hadn't seen anyone really go step by step through their exit. So I guess my question to all of you is this: Has this thread served its purpose? Would continuing just be "excessive celebration"? Or should I continue to write here, chronicling my struggles and triumphs (hopefully more triumphs)? I personally enjoy the updates and it seems to me the book hasn't come to an end but you have simply embarked on a new chapter. We usually collect bits and pieces of someone's story sectioned out over months of posting on various threads. Someone will mention something in one thread about a part of their story they wrote in another thread a month or so back or in response to someone else's post. It is nice and convenient to come here and see what shamwow is up to and how his journey is coming along. Maybe we should all create our own thread!
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Post by unmatched on Jul 30, 2017 19:03:11 GMT -5
Keep going...
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Post by baza on Jul 30, 2017 21:53:41 GMT -5
Brother shamwow . I have refrained from commenting much on this thread - to try and help its' continuity, so it reads pretty much like your blog on a day to day basis. I would plead with you to continue with your postings. I think this compilation of yours is extraordinarily valuable. Probably the best bit of reference material in existence here and the old EP.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 22:42:06 GMT -5
Brother shamwow . I have refrained from commenting much on this thread - to try and help its' continuity, so it reads pretty much like your blog on a day to day basis. I would plead with you to continue with your postings. I think this compilation of yours is extraordinarily valuable. Probably the best bit of reference material in existence her and the old EP. shamwow I have to agree with baza. Your thread is very encouraging to me and others.
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Post by shamwow on Jul 31, 2017 8:47:19 GMT -5
T-Plus-19: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-11: Shammy can't wait for his lady to visit again...time to fly the friendly skies So I'm gathering from the feedback that my posts do more help than harm. The reason I asked that question is that I remember all too well the frustration (and even a little anger) reading the stories of those who have gotten out while I was still stuck in the shithole. I think I will continue to add to this thread. Mainly because as becca mentioned, this isn't the end of the story, merely a new chapter. It is not going to be all blue skies and unicorns. Most of the worst sharp pains are behind me, but as I'm finding out, there are other pains that aren't as sharp which will continue for a while. Case in point. Today, I'm going to my first AA meeting. I've been contriving excuses to avoid this for the past few weeks. Originally, my excuses made sense. I wanted to make sure I was completely out since until the divorce was finalized, I was worried that going to meetings could be held over me if things got ugly. Granted, tomorrow will mark 7 months sober...but it was a concern. Then when I was out, I needed time to get settled. Then I had the kids and didn't want to interfere with that time...Yada Yada Yada....The truth is that I'm scared. I owe GeekGoddess a huge debt here. Thanks, big sis! It is terrifying to admit that I have a problem I have no control over. I've "white knuckled" this thing for 7 months now. With other people in the house that I've had accountability. Now? I'm on my own. Nobody would know if I have a quick drink (or two or three or four) on the way home. And if I do that? I'd be lost. So...meetings...sigh. If I can't even go to the grocery store without a voice in the back of my head constantly whispering for me to toss something in the cart, I will eventually cave. I need help. This past weekend, I didn't have the kids. I won't see them until Thursday this week. This is going to be the new normal...coming home to an empty house, and a life I will need to fill. It is really really tough not seeing my kids every night. It is even tougher not seeing them every single Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday (and every other Friday) from now on. I've picked up my guitar again, playing Rocksmith on the XBox. I've got my lady who has the patience of a saint, and even more importantly, is SO supportive of me. But in the end? At times, I will be lonely...I will be bored...I will be tempted. And if I continue to try to do this myself? I will fall. I've also been skipping Jiu Jitsu for about 2 months now. I will start going back. It will be good to get some exercise. It will get me out of the house. It will fill me with a healthy outlet with other guys to hang with. tiredoftears had a recent post about being angry. I replied that we don't have control over the behavior that makes us angry. We don't have control over the feelings themselves. The only thing we have control over is how we choose to react to those feelings. In this case, substitute loneliness and boredom for anger, and Shammy should follow his own good advice. On another note. My ex-wife closes on her house today and moves in. I'm actually really happy for her since her getting into her own place will make things easier for EVERYONE. Instead of just me having a stable location, we will each have our own. In the short term, it will be excitement from the kids about her place (with the focus on mom), and that is actually a good thing. I want them excited about spending time at both of our places. On the down side, though, my house has been the default place to crash when she was moving around like a gypsy. I will lose those extra few "bonus" days here and there as we settle into the agreed-upon schedule. Hell, I'm going to lose the dog most of the time. It's going to be rough. A couple good pieces of news regarding my lady, ballofconfusion . I went ahead and booked my flight to Southern California yesterday. I will be out there in 11 days for a semi-extended weekend (I'm taking Monday off). It will be awesome to see her place since she just moved in last week. I honestly don't know what I would have done without her help and support. I do know that I wouldn't be sober. Her divorce has been a much rougher ride than mine. I won't go into details since it's her story, but this weekend, we both thought that she was going to have to go scorched Earth just to get things moving. After meeting with her husband, there appears to be an easier path forward...a pivot. We will know quite shortly if that is a true path or a false flag. But we are VERY hopeful that she can have a divorce that, if not amicable, is non-destructive. That is her story. She is more private than I (as is most of the human race), so I will leave it there. But as her story is becoming increasingly interwoven with mine, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the potential pivot that happened yesterday. She also starts her full time job today. I'm so excited for her! So today? No excessive celebration. Just getting by. One hour at a time. One minute at a time. I'm more than a little scared about tonight, but I'm going to do it anyway. I've really have no choice.
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Jul 31, 2017 9:06:26 GMT -5
Post by shamwow on Jul 31, 2017 9:06:26 GMT -5
Brother shamwow . I have refrained from commenting much on this thread - to try and help its' continuity, so it reads pretty much like your blog on a day to day basis. I would plead with you to continue with your postings. I think this compilation of yours is extraordinarily valuable. Probably the best bit of reference material in existence here and the old EP. I'm going to try to get some more of my backstory in here. Right now, it kind of picks up about a month and a half before the divorce was finalized. But that already has me where, as you say, I've handled a bunch of my shit. With that hack the admin gave us, I will find a sampling of my original posts to illustrate just how fucked in the head I was when I got here (i.e. I was unfuckable, everything was fine except for the sex, I was borderline lockdown panic about the "irepairable" damage I was about to inflict upon my kids, etc...). By the time I started posting on this thread? I'd already been through much of the valley of the shadow of death. I'd like to shine some light on that valley as well. And baza ? Your no bullshit tough love helped tremendously as well. Thanks, brother.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 9:21:26 GMT -5
Thanks shamwow. Love reading your updates. Hang in there. You got this!
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Jul 31, 2017 16:12:44 GMT -5
Post by McRoomMate on Jul 31, 2017 16:12:44 GMT -5
shamwow Of course a lot of people are getting inspiration in an entertaining and helpful way. They are behind you on the path. My only "three cents" and I am sure this is the case is just be HONEST and write from the HEART which you are already doing. Make it AUTHENTIC - Warts and all - Good, Bad, Ugly. And as one or two writers have quipped the best "Fiction" is an accurate description of one true word after one true word and that is experience in words. Amen. PS - Not to tinker but Long Distance Relationships I think generally are tough. Houston is a mighty big city to go prowling and nothing is bigger than Texas - I have been there and that is what I do recall. Again none of my beezwax so I will shut it.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Aug 1, 2017 7:49:36 GMT -5
shamwow - I am grateful to call you a program fellow & am honored to have had the opportunity to be of service in support of your sobriety. Talking with you on this topic has helped MY sobriety journey more than you know. When you get to the point you're helping & supporting others and you feel the benefits of that, then you will understand why I thank YOU even as you rank me for whatever small part I played in your decisions to support your own long-term self interest. Love you, brother (in a program way, that is)
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Post by shamwow on Aug 1, 2017 8:48:41 GMT -5
T-Plus-20: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-10: Shammy can't wait for his lady to visit again...time to fly the friendly skies So last night was my first AA meeting. Truth be told, I was scared as hell to go. I was honestly more scared to do this than ask my ex-wife for a divorce. Following the advice of GeekGoddess I went to a closed men's meeting. That basically means guys only and only for people who are trying to stop drinking. It was really good advice. I was a bit surprised, although I really had no idea what to expect. Basically, since it was my first meeting, I guess the script is for people to go around the room and basically tell their drinking stories (and how they impacted their lives). I guess I expected some kind of "tips and tricks" to keep sober, but it wasn't that at all. Of course, as these guys let our their stories I was like "wow", these guys are hard core drunks. Drinking, then doing coke in the morning to handle the day. Until I realized that I also took combinations of legal pills to do the exact same thing (at least until my adrenal gland failed). As each of them told their stories, I realized mine wasn't the same as theirs, but it sure as hell rhymed. I do know that I've stayed sober 7 months today. When I started, I didn't think I would last 7 days. About 2-4 weeks in, I physically CRAVED booze all the time. I really don't know how I've made it this long. Even now, passing the beer and wine section at the grocery store brings out a mini panic attack. Hopefully it gets better in time. The group itself was about as diverse as you could imagine. Bankers, airline pilots, mechanics, day laborers. Just a bunch of guys who have a problem with alcohol. Lots of them ride motorcycles like me, so it will be good to maybe find someone sober to ride with (this is actually a big problem for me). Some of these guys go to meetings every night. I don't know that I will want to or need to. Last night, my ex-wife moved into her new house with the kids. It was a rough night for me and I'm glad I didn't simply go home to an empty house. But I am going to get a calendar of meetings for every day of the week so that if I'm going through a rough patch, I know where to land. I know that talking about staying sober isn't really about ILIASM, but it is part of my story. For the ladies...if any of you have a husband who has a problem, I think GeekGoddess hit the nail right on the head with the closed men's meeting. It wasn't preachy. It wasn't pushy. It was a bunch of guys bullshitting about drinking stories...laughing about them as a matter of fact. But hidden in that laughter was the knowledge of how destructive it is. I felt at home. I felt comfortable...even as I felt a little uncomfortable relating so closely to all these alcoholics. I still am at the stage of saying to myself "drinking has caused a lot of problems in my life" but haven't used the "A" word for myself yet. Self delusion is pretty powerful, after all. I'm sure that acknowledgement is coming, but I'm not quite ready yet.. I hope the kids are doing OK. I've been texting every day, but the stream back has dried up. I'm hoping they are just busy, but the silence back is just killing me. It's easy for my mind to start spinning up scenarios that they are mad, angry, bitter, etc...and don't want to talk with me. Or, it could just be they are typical teens and are oblivious about their father's angst over their lack of response. I don't know whether I should bring it up or just let it be. It's only been a few weeks since the divorce, and things still need to settle some I think. It might be unwise to read too much in too early. I just miss my kids and wish they would reach back when I reach out.
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Post by hopingforachange on Aug 1, 2017 9:10:37 GMT -5
Your self medication of alcohol and legal pills is part of your mind fuck that happened in your ILIASM. Staying sober is part of your recovery from ILIASM.
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Post by shamwow on Aug 1, 2017 9:12:47 GMT -5
Your self medication of alcohol and legal pills is part of your mind fuck that happened in your ILIASM. Staying sober is part of your recovery from ILIASM. Yup. Just because the pills (literally handfuls of them) were legal doesn't mean they were good for me. But because they were "legal" I wasn't in the same class as people who have a "problem" with them. Quite a bit of the mind fuck was me mind fucking myself in response to the mind fuck my ex laid on me. Some serious circular firing squad logic there, right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 9:26:59 GMT -5
shamwow, I can certainly understand. I didn't drink but I certainly ate entirely too much.
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