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Post by thefullmoon on Jan 7, 2017 21:29:22 GMT -5
I became a single mother in 1991 (in Eastern Europe)... My friends stayed as my friends, but I noticed some cold shoulder attitude towards my children and me from some neighbours, at school and at some official places... I became lesser decent woman in the eyes of some... Not that it bothered me, but I was sad that my children had to go through it... Anyone who saw you as less decent because of your divorce is someone lacking in basic human decency. Thank you! It did not bother me, I was too busy struggling with everything else... It is a bit of national mentality...still exist by the way... A woman on her own is assumed by many to be a sort of a looser if she does not have a man...
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Post by TMD on Jan 7, 2017 23:54:32 GMT -5
I know you are asking for the divorced perspective and not the perpetually-on-the-fence, however, I have been around many a gaggle of fellow talkin' biddies when these things come up. For those of you that are curious what goes on in these conversations: Lady 1: Did you hear so-and-so is getting divorced? Ladies in unison: NO! What happened. Lady 1: Well, they have had problems for awhile... Lady 2: yeah, I think I noticed them not even talking at so-and-so's party. But what did I know? I avoid my husband some nights too. Lady 3: Good for her! Are the kids okay? Lady 1: Oh, yeah. They seem to be doing fine. Lady 2: Oh look, the Saki is here, drink up, girlies! Ladies in Unison: Woo-hoo! Partay! Do people talk? Yes. Do they really care? Nope. They have their own lives, families, problems, etc. They also have Saki. And maybe because this is generational for me and I am not religious, I have no fear of being stigmatized at all. In fact, I bet my friends wonder why I haven't left yet. There was a mom in the sports community that my daughter is part of, she doesn't even know our names and was remarking to a friend, "did you hear of that other family getting a divorce?" It was a reference to us. It bothered me. In part because it's none of her business. And then she Facebook friended me. WTF. I blocked her. My job is to support my kids. Something about her "inquiry" felt off. Oh well. Maybe it's because she's a family lawyer and wanted our business?
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Post by JMX on Jan 8, 2017 0:04:35 GMT -5
I know you are asking for the divorced perspective and not the perpetually-on-the-fence, however, I have been around many a gaggle of fellow talkin' biddies when these things come up. For those of you that are curious what goes on in these conversations: Lady 1: Did you hear so-and-so is getting divorced? Ladies in unison: NO! What happened. Lady 1: Well, they have had problems for awhile... Lady 2: yeah, I think I noticed them not even talking at so-and-so's party. But what did I know? I avoid my husband some nights too. Lady 3: Good for her! Are the kids okay? Lady 1: Oh, yeah. They seem to be doing fine. Lady 2: Oh look, the Saki is here, drink up, girlies! Ladies in Unison: Woo-hoo! Partay! Do people talk? Yes. Do they really care? Nope. They have their own lives, families, problems, etc. They also have Saki. And maybe because this is generational for me and I am not religious, I have no fear of being stigmatized at all. In fact, I bet my friends wonder why I haven't left yet. There was a mom in the sports community that my daughter is part of, she doesn't even know our names and was remarking to a friend, "did you hear of that other family getting a divorce?" It was a reference to us. It bothered me. In part because it's none of her business. And then she Facebook friended me. WTF. I blocked her. My job is to support my kids. Something about her "inquiry" felt off. Oh well. Maybe it's because she's a family lawyer and wanted our business? You know, I don't know. I guess I am simply not private. I GET that others are, I just am not. Because of this, when things come up about others, sure - they're talked about, but I have never heard a discussion about it that was judgmental. Maybe questioning, but never judgmental. I think sometimes people seek to understand, not to judge. TBH - I think you may have done more harm by blocking her than being up front. Just a thought. To me, it implies you have something to hide. I don't think it's worthy of privacy. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Whatevs. Busy-bodies will be on to the next thing soon enough. There's like an event a week and we all have short attention spans
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Post by greatcoastal on Jan 8, 2017 0:10:53 GMT -5
From where I sit, not yet even divorced but moving that way, divorce looks like so much work that people had better well CONGRATULATE me when I get my divorce. I'm taking none of this "oh, I'm so sorry!" shit. Don't even try it on me folks. You have to really, really need and want to get out in order to be willing to go through it all. From here, it looks like walking through fire. I'll be seeking to reeducate people. Divorce is the harder path. I'll expect props for it! YES! I touched on that very same thing earlier. I feel justified in correcting people, politely, by telling them, "no, no, it's okay, it's a good thing." They probably mean well, for some it can be a touchy subject. My STBX was going around telling people, "well he filed first". Once again her manipulation of it all! What she's not realizing is the people she tells this to have a background of their own, they most likely filed first themselves, and look at her thinking, you sound like the one who's to blame for it!
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Post by greatcoastal on Jan 8, 2017 0:19:45 GMT -5
Wait till your children's friends parents don't want your kids associating with theirs anymore. That's part of the stigma, along with loosing a fair amount of couples friendships. People would rather not have to choose a side or get involved at all, much easier to drop you all together. You may get a surprise visit when a year later they are getting divorced and want your sympathy, and advice.
Some people on here have lost there jobs over it.
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Post by bballgirl on Jan 8, 2017 2:46:56 GMT -5
Wait till your children's friends parents don't want your kids associating with theirs anymore. That's part of the stigma, along with loosing a fair amount of couples friendships. People would rather not have to choose a side or get involved at all, much easier to drop you all together. You may get a surprise visit when a year later they are getting divorced and want your sympathy, and advice. Some people on here have lost there jobs over it. If they do that then they aren't true friends. I did not experience this thank goodness neither did my ex.
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Post by beachguy on Jan 8, 2017 8:32:36 GMT -5
It appears that my comment that precipitated this thread was totally misconstrued. I did *NOT* suggest that divorce, in general, is stigmatized or not. Maybe it is, but it was not the point of my comment. What I *DID* suggest is that while there is no cultural expectation of sex in a marriage there is a huge demand for fidelity; that there is a huge imbalance of expectations that are culturally driven.
As an example, I suggested that there is a huge stigma placed on divorcing "just for sex" (i.e. because of a LT SM), while there is no stigma at all in divorcing a spouse that "Cheats", and further, that no one ever askes the cheated on spouse when was the last time they bothered to fuck their cheater.
As an example, when a divorce is precipitated by straying, the strayed upon spouse usually shouts to the world that their spouse cheated and that lead to the divorce. We all surely know people that divorced and we know why - s/he cheated. The children know- they are told too.
In our cases, the usual advice here is to mumble something like "we grew apart". We, in general, are very reluctant to get into the WHY for the (SM) divorce. It is suggested that it is not something the kids should know, and etc. Not something other people (with a few specific exceptions) should know. That is clear evidence of my assertion.
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Post by JMX on Jan 8, 2017 9:17:04 GMT -5
beachguy - you are right because now when the cheating aspect comes up in conversation, I ALWAYS say, well, is cheater's husband/wife still screwing their partner? Not many consider that until I say it. And I always follow-up with - if they aren't then I don't blame them. I am the ILIASM town crier- spreading sexless cheer and information wherever I go.
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Post by bballgirl on Jan 8, 2017 10:20:56 GMT -5
beachguy - you are right because now when the cheating aspect comes up in conversation, I ALWAYS say, well, is cheater's husband/wife still screwing their partner? Not many consider that until I say it. And I always follow-up with - if they aren't then I don't blame them. I am the ILIASM town crier- spreading sexless cheer and information wherever I go. Exactly!! You go girl!! I say the same thing! People assume that spouses cheat because they have a wandering eye and never think being sex starved for years is imaginable and it's not to most because they have average frequent enough sex.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 13:41:12 GMT -5
beachguy - you are right because now when the cheating aspect comes up in conversation, I ALWAYS say, well, is cheater's husband/wife still screwing their partner? Not many consider that until I say it. And I always follow-up with - if they aren't then I don't blame them. I am the ILIASM town crier- spreading sexless cheer and information wherever I go. JMX, I'm going to start saying that too. We need to start talking about sex openly.
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Post by Pinkberry on Jan 8, 2017 15:06:33 GMT -5
From where I sit, not yet even divorced but moving that way, divorce looks like so much work that people had better well CONGRATULATE me when I get my divorce. I'm taking none of this "oh, I'm so sorry!" shit. Don't even try it on me folks. You have to really, really need and want to get out in order to be willing to go through it all. From here, it looks like walking through fire. I'll be seeking to reeducate people. Divorce is the harder path. I'll expect props for it! It is the harder path and that is why I still say I'm sorry to people. Even when it is absolutely the best, or even the only, choice, it is hard as hell. It also comes with a mourning period. I didn't mourn the loss of my ex. I mourned the loss of what could have been, what was promised when we got together, the loss of my dream of what marriage was supposed to be. It was a hard time. I'd do it all over again as it was the best choice, but I still feel badly for people that must go through it.
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Post by wewbwb on Jan 8, 2017 17:40:29 GMT -5
As near as I can recall, about 2002, missus and I arrive at a party. Haven't seen the hosts *Jenny and Max" for a while. We arrive, Jen greets us. "Where's Max ?" - I enquire. "We're getting divorced" Jen advises "he's not here". "Fair enough. Where's the beer ?" - I enquire You heartless man. Your proper response should have been "Mrs Enna and I need a drink." Bastard.
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Post by wewbwb on Jan 8, 2017 17:55:38 GMT -5
beachguy - you are right because now when the cheating aspect comes up in conversation, I ALWAYS say, well, is cheater's husband/wife still screwing their partner? Not many consider that until I say it. And I always follow-up with - if they aren't then I don't blame them. I am the ILIASM town crier- spreading sexless cheer and information wherever I go. Exactly!! You go girl!! I say the same thing! People assume that spouses cheat because they have a wandering eye and never think being sex starved for years is imaginable and it's not to most because they have average frequent enough sex. Recently, during a Christmas party, a woman was telling me that she is going through a divorce, my sister chimes and makes a joke about "all men are lying cheating pigs" . I waited till the woman walked away and said to my sister "I'd like to hear his side". It stopped my sister cold. Apparently, she forgot that there are three sides to every story.
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Post by bballgirl on Jan 8, 2017 18:09:10 GMT -5
Exactly!! You go girl!! I say the same thing! People assume that spouses cheat because they have a wandering eye and never think being sex starved for years is imaginable and it's not to most because they have average frequent enough sex. Recently, during a Christmas party, a woman was telling me that she is going through a divorce, my sister chimes and makes a joke about "all men are lying cheating pigs" . I waited till the woman walked away and said to my sister "I'd like to hear his side". It stopped my sister cold. Apparently, she forgot that there are three sides to every story. Exactly - Mine, yours, and the truth. Good for you for saying that!
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Post by wewbwb on Jan 8, 2017 18:21:37 GMT -5
bballgirl I didn't think it needed to be said in front of the woman, no reason to cause her extra pain,but my sister should have known better.
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