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Post by ggold on Oct 13, 2016 20:17:30 GMT -5
We come here, we shout and scream, we are the victims we have the evidence, we have EP and Dearabby. We talk and make suggestions but the one thing we don't do is question our spouses or hold them accountable. No on here says "why wont you fuck me" they will give you it's not the right time or they wouldn't understand or so many reasons.............. so tonight just ask the question " why wont you fuck me" and post your response I don't care anymore. When I did ask, his go to response was "I can't pinpoint it." Whatever!!!
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Post by deleted on Oct 14, 2016 0:43:35 GMT -5
The reason is meaningless. It's nothing more than an excuse. I don't care about the reasons why. I just don't give a fuck about the reason. The answer will be lame.
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Post by JonDoe on Oct 14, 2016 20:45:48 GMT -5
you are just poking the bear ^^^ THIS ^^^I'm 6'2", 250lbs and in great shape, but this 5'6" woman has control of me. I'm not a "Yes Dear!" kinda guy, but I do try to avoid confrontation if/when feasibly possible, perhaps to a fault. Relationships require comprise, but only one of us usually comprises and that is me. She is extremely head-strong, and uses the crying trump card when all else fails. My youngest Son is very much head-strong like her; God help his wife! She has told me I'm like her Father, and he has told me that she is like her Mother. So I guess she is still emulating what she witnessed when she grew up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by beachguy on Oct 15, 2016 7:52:44 GMT -5
A cautionary note... many here are saying "I don't care why!". Personally I do, and deeply care. For a reason. @ baza suggests the why does not matter. I think that's good advice, in the here and now, when your primary problem is extricating yourself from your sexless life, one way or the other. However, if you step back and look at the bigger picture, there's a problem with that... Some here were fighting an uphill battle from the very beginning of the relationship and their WHY is pretty simple: their partner does not like sex, did not like sex and probably never liked sex. And never will. The long term solution: find a hornier next partner. (but keep reading!) But most of us had satisfactory sex lives at least up until they were well committed into the relationship. In my case my wife fucked my brains out on my first date, but then turned off a switch literally the day after the wedding. I even demanded she live with me before the wedding, as a test drive. That didn't work out very well, did it? In other cases, the sex was good for some number of years until the partner effectively took an asexual dive. Because of this I have huge trust problems, not just with my STBX but with any future partner. I can't imagine ever getting married again because it would require an act of trust I don't think I'll ever have. For me, at age 60, it's a moot point because I don't see any compelling reason to get married again. But if I were much younger that might not be the case. Over the long haul, the WHY *DOES* matter, unless next time you are willing to just roll the dice again.
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Post by charmedheart on Oct 15, 2016 10:06:09 GMT -5
I don't bother asking. 16 yrs of indifference, silence, feeling rejected, disconnected, alone, carrying tremendous sadness, withdrawing from friends and family, lying to keep the secret and buckets of tears has brought me to the truth. I have no desire for him physically. I have a shallow emotional connection at best. He is a stranger. I don't fuck strangers. I'm not his whore. I am the woman he is financially obligated to by law. I am the reaper of half financially. That makes me his money whore.
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Post by deleted on Oct 15, 2016 10:25:34 GMT -5
Ok. Fine. I care about the reason, but only to identify the trait in future relationships. However, I don't really expect to be in a any future relationships. I can live a life full of contentment without being in a relationship. I have no desire to beat my head against a brick wall wondering why my spouse won't fuck me. I have been told that it is her, not me. There is nothing wrong with me. She just doesn't think about sex. Personally, I think she is lying to me. She watches Gray's Anatomy all the time. How can a person watch a TV show where there is sex all the time, but never think about sex.
Personally, I think I am being lied to. I have HUGE trust issues. The result is the same. I've got no action. That's why I don't give a flying fuck about the reason. I have agonized about it for years and I'm tired of wasting my time.
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Post by Caris on Oct 15, 2016 10:36:18 GMT -5
I don't bother asking. 16 yrs of indifference, silence, feeling rejected, disconnected, alone, carrying tremendous sadness, withdrawing from friends and family, lying to keep the secret and buckets of tears has brought me to the truth. I have no desire for him physically. I have a shallow emotional connection at best. He is a stranger. I don't fuck strangers. I'm not his whore. I am the woman he is financially obligated to by law. I am the reaper of half financially. That makes me his money whore. I relate so much to your first paragraph, only it was 25-years for me, and although I never lied to anyone verbally, I was living a lie by putting on a show of being happily married in public. I also withdrew from people and society, when the burden became too great at keeping the secret. I felt shame. I thought I was the only woman whose husband had rejected her this way. This was long before the Internet and social media, so I had no way of knowing there were other women suffering this too. In all my life, I'd never heard, or known, about men rejecting women sexually. It was a feeling of total isolation and shame on my part, so you just carry it with you, and now I'm really messed up with trust issues, which is the least of the fall out effects I now have to deal with as a consequence of those 25-years.
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Post by JonDoe on Oct 15, 2016 12:26:00 GMT -5
She watches Gray's Anatomy all the time. How can a person watch a TV show where there is sex all the time, but never think about sex. I know, right? Same here. Most of the shows my wife likes have lots of sex like that too. She loves the characters, but says that TV sex doesn't even give her a tingle, let alone an urge. In response to the original poster's question of " Who's fault is it?" Blame it on the baker. It's a proven scientific fact that wedding cake contains ingredients to permanently suppress the female sex drive. Which reminds me of an old joke: "How do you get a Catholic girl to stop having sex? You marry her." 😂
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Post by beachguy on Oct 15, 2016 13:00:46 GMT -5
She watches Gray's Anatomy all the time. How can a person watch a TV show where there is sex all the time, but never think about sex. I know, right? Same here. Most of the shows my wife likes have lots of sex like that too. She loves the characters, but says that TV sex doesn't even give her a tingle, let alone an urge. In response to the original poster's question of " Who's fault is it?" Blame it on the baker. It is a well known fact that the one food known with certainty to permanently suppress the female sex drive is wedding cake. Which reminds me of an old joke: "How do you get a Catholic girl to stop having sex? You marry her." 😂 An EP member made me aware of the concept of intimacy aversion as opposed to simple asexuality. A sexual but intimacy averse person will fuck your brains out a few times but as the relationship develops will push back to keep intimacy more at arms length. That can manifest itself in many ways but withholding sex is the big one. A lot of people blame porn addiction as a problem. I don't believe that is a problem. I think it's a symptom of intimacy aversion. Before the age of the Internet and other freely available porn men used prostitutes almost exclusively (aside from just jerking off) because hookers provide sex without intimacy. I believe porn has supplemented and in many cases just replaced prostitution. Or gives an enhanced masturbation experience if you look at it that way. A lady friend was in a long term SM (since the wedding just like me). Her H was caught with a hooker early in the marriage when it was already technically sexless. She to this day considers him asexual but I have long disagreed with her. I think the prostitution event proves he is intimacy averse, not asexual. I mention that for two reasons. One, there is much confusion between intimacy aversion and asexuality. And two, relevant here, I think anyone seeking a new relationship should try to become aware of the early signs of intimacy aversion. And also look deep into themselves to gauge their own proclivity to intimacy aversion. I read many stories here that SCREAM intimacy aversion. That's why I've mentioned it a few times. I believe my stbx is intimacy averse. Otoh she once actually acknowledged she never thinks about sex. She also never exhibits any behavior whatsoever to suggest she isn't asexual. It is truly a mind fuck. She is one or the other or both?
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Post by beachguy on Oct 15, 2016 13:09:23 GMT -5
She watches Gray's Anatomy all the time. How can a person watch a TV show where there is sex all the time, but never think about sex. I know, right? Same here. Most of the shows my wife likes have lots of sex like that too. She loves the characters, but says that TV sex doesn't even give her a tingle, let alone an urge. In response to the original poster's question of " Who's fault is it?" Blame it on the baker. It's a proven scientific fact that wedding cake contains ingredients to permanently suppress the female sex drive. Which reminds me of an old joke: "How do you get a Catholic girl to stop having sex? You marry her." 😂 And I was told it was a gold allergy. It only manifests itself when gold contacts that particular finger.
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Post by baza on Oct 15, 2016 21:28:53 GMT -5
In an ILIASM shithole - the question of "who's fault it was / is" passed into irrelevancy some time back. Once things have degenerated in to an ILIASM shithole it doesn't matter "who's" to blame. It simply is what it is. - However, it is always wise to have a look at your role in the dynamic, to see what contributory role you played in the process, own those things, and work on those things so you don't repeat them next time should there be a next time for you. - It would be smart for your spouse to do the same, but that is entirely down to them whether they do or not. Not a matter under your control at all. - Chasing YOUR "whys" is always a good idea. Chasing someone else's "whys" is a completely unproductive pastime. - And, chances are (if you are anything like me) your own "whys" will be quite sufficient to keep you occupied all by themselves.
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Post by charmedheart on Oct 15, 2016 22:11:40 GMT -5
I loved, tried, pleaded, begged for counciling and was told I was unapproachable. I was told that on my honeymoon. I've been intimate with my husband 8 times in 16 yrs. 8 times. All reset. All after losing my mind. I don't give a rats ass what's wrong with him anymore. Bottom line: he knew I was miserable and devasted. Yet, he he never once asked me why. He knew then and he knows now. The opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference. Fuck indifference. CLARITY? Absofuckinlutly!
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Post by GeekGoddess on Oct 15, 2016 22:54:51 GMT -5
A cautionary note... many here are saying "I don't care why!". Personally I do, and deeply care. For a reason. @ baza suggests the why does not matter. I think that's good advice, in the here and now, when your primary problem is extricating yourself from your sexless life, one way or the other. However, if you step back and look at the bigger picture, there's a problem with that... Some here were fighting an uphill battle from the very beginning of the relationship and their WHY is pretty simple: their partner does not like sex, did not like sex and probably never liked sex. And never will. The long term solution: find a hornier next partner. (but keep reading!) But most of us had satisfactory sex lives at least up until they were well committed into the relationship. In my case my wife fucked my brains out on my first date, but then turned off a switch literally the day after the wedding. I even demanded she live with me before the wedding, as a test drive. That didn't work out very well, did it? In other cases, the sex was good for some number of years until the partner effectively took an asexual dive. Because of this I have huge trust problems, not just with my STBX but with any future partner. I can't imagine ever getting married again because it would require an act of trust I don't think I'll ever have. For me, at age 60, it's a moot point because I don't see any compelling reason to get married again. But if I were much younger that might not be the case. Over the long haul, the WHY *DOES* matter, unless next time you are willing to just roll the dice again. beachguy - I appreciate many of these points but I'll say it this way.... My Ex's why seemed to matter when we first went completely SM (he had a very bad prognosis for his prostate cancer - if you compare SM to "widow" then an SM seemed okay - and I didn't even know the term yet anyway, really). By the time I found EP, I still thought that "the rest" of the relationship was OK and that lack of sex was our only issue. After reading on EP, and learning to really see the unequal parts of our relationship (his take; my give) then I realized that his Why no longer was relevant to my happiness. MY OWN Why do I accept it was a bit relevant. The pressing issue became what would I do about it. Once OUT, then my - - why did I let it develop into something SO unacceptable - this is therapy fodder. Finding my own voice, seeking my own truth, creating my own happiness - all important. I don't wish to recreate the pattern. I can do this work outside the tyranny of SM much better than I could have tackled it within the SM. HIS Why = not relevant. My Why (and HOW) = on-going homework.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 23:14:03 GMT -5
I know, right? Same here. Most of the shows my wife likes have lots of sex like that too. She loves the characters, but says that TV sex doesn't even give her a tingle, let alone an urge. In response to the original poster's question of " Who's fault is it?" Blame it on the baker. It is a well known fact that the one food known with certainty to permanently suppress the female sex drive is wedding cake. Which reminds me of an old joke: "How do you get a Catholic girl to stop having sex? You marry her." 😂 An EP member made me aware of the concept of intimacy aversion as opposed to simple asexuality. A sexual but intimacy averse person will fuck your brains out a few times but as the relationship develops will push back to keep intimacy more at arms length. That can manifest itself in many ways but withholding sex is the big one. A lot of people blame porn addiction as a problem. I don't believe that is a problem. I think it's a symptom of intimacy aversion. Before the age of the Internet and other freely available porn men used prostitutes almost exclusively (aside from just jerking off) because hookers provide sex without intimacy. I believe porn has supplemented and in many cases just replaced prostitution. Or gives an enhanced masturbation experience if you look at it that way. A lady friend was in a long term SM (since the wedding just like me). Her H was caught with a hooker early in the marriage when it was already technically sexless. She to this day considers him asexual but I have long disagreed with her. I think the prostitution event proves he is intimacy averse, not asexual. I mention that for two reasons. One, there is much confusion between intimacy aversion and asexuality. And two, relevant here, I think anyone seeking a new relationship should try to become aware of the early signs of intimacy aversion. And also look deep into themselves to gauge their own proclivity to intimacy aversion. I read many stories here that SCREAM intimacy aversion. That's why I've mentioned it a few times. I believe my stbx is intimacy averse. Otoh she once actually acknowledged she never thinks about sex. She also never exhibits any behavior whatsoever to suggest she isn't asexual. It is truly a mind fuck. She is one or the other or both? From what little I've read about asexuality it's almost an anomaly. Not common at all. Evolution gave biological species the urge to copulate. Surely there are some asexuals in the stories of this group, but you're right the vast majority of refusing spouses are just messed up in the head.
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Post by baza on Oct 16, 2016 1:58:05 GMT -5
Asexuality, intimacy aversion general, intimacy aversion specific to you. All as good a "whys" as any other. And, all the "whys" end up with a common consequence to you, the refused spouse. Disenfranchisement. - And your road out of disenfranchisement is the same, irrespective of the "why".
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