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Post by ggold on Jul 15, 2016 12:31:03 GMT -5
@creelunion , really? This can't be the weirdest you've heard, nor is it an anomaly. My husband is active with his hand daily, or at least several times a week and sometimes twice daily. Apparently, that hand really has something on me in the "so-effin'-sexy" department. Who knew a guy would choose his hand over a willing pussy? Fucked indeed - the hand, not the poor, neglected pussy-cat. Sorry everyone, I'm in a really rough place today and am not responsible for anything I do or say. I'm not normally this vulgar or explicit or angry... and I had better hit "create post" ASAP! Be as vulgar and angry as you want @elle! That's what we are here for! I would be so fucking pissed if my H did this. It's obvious he has a drive. Why he'd prefer his hand over you, I don't fucking get it!!! As far as I know and from what he told me, my H doesn't enjoy his hand at all. So, I'm dealing with a total, zero libido situation. A true dud. And BOTH situations SUCK!!!! You are a sexy, beautiful woman. Know that!!! Sending you lots of (hugs) today!! xo
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Post by litnerd on Jul 15, 2016 14:48:44 GMT -5
@creelunion, really? This can't be the weirdest you've heard, nor is it an anomaly. My husband is active with his hand daily, or at least several times a week and sometimes twice daily. Apparently, that hand really has something on me in the "so-effin'-sexy" department. Who knew a guy would choose his hand over a willing pussy? Fucked indeed - the hand, not the poor, neglected pussy-cat. Sorry everyone, I'm in a really rough place today and am not responsible for anything I do or say. I'm not normally this vulgar or explicit or angry... and I had better hit "create post" ASAP! *hugs* I totally get the anger. I vacillate between anger and hurt, and am constantly having to remind myself that it's not me. Which is really hard, because I've been through 4 pregnancies in 5 years and my body has changed so drastically (and I didn't have a great body image before I had kids).
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Post by litnerd on Jul 15, 2016 14:55:43 GMT -5
It's been said before that it becomes a matter of porn addiction, convenience, laziness, a selfish pride, or an introvert way of dealing with sexual problems. I can't say that I understand at all how a man can turn down his naked wife laying beside him, with an eager, willing, ready attitude for years? I do know that it is much easier to hit a button and have thousands of images, on a screen. No effort on your part, and the immediate pleasure is there and over with in a brief, almost relaxing part of your day. Compare that to an entire day of yes dearing, only to have her choose computer games over you at the end of the day. All men have hundreds of images in there head of naked women. When they get married, the overwhelming affect of a real woman overpowers all of that. Over time that goes away and needs to be rekindled on an even basis. That's not what were talking about here. You take a man who has had thousands of images in his head, a real woman no matter how attractive a super model she is, cannot compete with the onslaught of what is now available, hundreds per minute, per hour, leading to millions. My therapist agrees that his porn viewing and masturbation is probably the result of his emotional immaturity and not wanting to deal with stress/depression/physiological issues that could be causing performance issues. I will say that he very rarely outright refuses me if I initiate...he just almost never initiates himself and frequently has issues either maintaining an erection or ejaculating. Which leads me to believe (among other symptoms) that there are physiological issues that he needs to address. But, as my therapist reminded me, we don't really know anything until he and I have a conversation and he seeks medical/psychiatric help for possible issues. So the big question now is whether or not he thinks our relationship is worth the discomfort of talking to his doctor and/or a therapist.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jul 15, 2016 15:25:24 GMT -5
Once again as many of us have found out LIASM , that the burden of confrontation is on your shoulders. How many times you want to bring it up, how forcefully , what type of consequences towards his actions, boundaries there will be are all things a councilor could help you with. The ultimate choice will be his. Your choice will be continuing on the same path or guiding him towards self improvement. Sadly the odds seam to be toward finding your own happiness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 16:31:25 GMT -5
"If I were going to consider whacking off while next to a naked woman, I would do everything in my power to hide the fact. I'd be ashamed." Said CreelUnion, REAL MAN. Thank you. Jesus, good to know there are some out there! (I know there are lots of you here...) And to answer your question, yes, it is my experience, and he has told me, that I walk by or bend over or what have you, and he is inspired to go take care of himself. He expects me to be flattered by that. It's his way of complimenting me. Twisted though it may be. I have said before that he is libido-free and I have to retract that statement. He is NOT. He just prefers his hand to me. Here's what I think is at play: the man (my NOT-a-real-man, that is) is lazy, selfish, and frankly, downright BAD at foreplay. He's been known to almost entirely eschew foreplay and try to give it to me DRY. Ouch. Dry sex is BAD sex by definition. A girl needs at least a little time to NOT be dry. Any man with even ONE sexual experience oughta know that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 16:39:05 GMT -5
"If I were going to consider whacking off while next to a naked woman, I would do everything in my power to hide the fact. I'd be ashamed." Said CreelUnion, REAL MAN. Thank you. Jesus, good to know there are some out there! (I know there are lots of you here...) And to answer your question, yes, it is my experience, and he has told me, that I walk by or bend over or what have you, and he is inspired to go take care of himself. He expects me to be flattered by that. It's his way of complimenting me. Twisted though it may be. I have said before that he is libido-free and I have to retract that statement. He is NOT. He just prefers his hand to me. Here's what I think is at play: the man (my NOT-a-real-man, that is) is lazy, selfish, and frankly, downright BAD at foreplay. He's been known to almost entirely eschew foreplay and try to give it to me DRY. Ouch. Dry sex is BAD sex by definition. A girl needs at least a little time to NOT be dry. Any man with even ONE sexual experience oughta know that. I stand corrected. I've heard it all NOW I guess. Maybe you need a real man?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 16:41:00 GMT -5
@creelunion said, "Maybe you need a real man?"
Uh-huh. Badly. And yesterday please!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 16:42:24 GMT -5
@creelunion said, "Maybe you need a real man?" Uh-huh. Badly. And yesterday please! I'll be there last week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 16:43:26 GMT -5
@creelunion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 16:48:13 GMT -5
litnerd I felt so much better after I told my best friend. Like I didn't have to fake smile anymore. Hugs to you.
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Post by litnerd on Jul 15, 2016 18:52:27 GMT -5
@creelunion , really? This can't be the weirdest you've heard, nor is it an anomaly. My husband is active with his hand daily, or at least several times a week and sometimes twice daily. Apparently, that hand really has something on me in the "so-effin'-sexy" department. Who knew a guy would choose his hand over a willing pussy? Fucked indeed - the hand, not the poor, neglected pussy-cat. Sorry everyone, I'm in a really rough place today and am not responsible for anything I do or say. I'm not normally this vulgar or explicit or angry... and I had better hit "create post" ASAP! Let it out girl! Maybe I've missed it. Her post gives me the impression that: He sees her naked, gets turned on by THAT, then runs off and whacks himself into oblivion without even trying to hide it. Is this an apt description, litnerd? @elle, is this your experience? In most cases here I read about passive aggressive BS, promised corrections with no follow through, incessant video gaming to the exclusion of together time, incessant pornography accompanied by whacking off, but with some denial or shame. But this reads like: "Hmmm, Hot Naked Woman. That Reminds me. Wait here while I go beat myself silly!" "Pfew, glad that's done. So, how was your day?" I don't feel like that's it. He's always been kind of odd about nudity (I know from conversations with his sister that his attitude towards nudity is most likely due to the way his parents ran their home when he was young.), and I've embraced nudity more as an adult because of the restrictiveness of my own childhood. I enjoy seeing him nude, but he rarely is. Meanwhile, he actually asked me to wear pajamas when we were dating because casual nudity makes him uncomfortable.
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Post by litnerd on Jul 15, 2016 19:00:59 GMT -5
Meanwhile, I had to leave mid-reply here because I have major family drama. My 13 year old sister was recently diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma and began chemo last week. While my mom was 2 hours away at Children's Hospital with her, my mentally and emotionally abusive (and probable narcissist) father ended up in the hospital. I have no desire to have a relationship with him (I wouldn't if he wasn't still married to my mom), but I've taken over most of the planning around his release (with Hospice) in an effort to absorb some of the stress from my mom. I have been adamant that he needs to go to assisted living because a) his needs are more than what we can handle at home because of my sister's needs (and his health issues are all due to choices he's made), and b) he's (as aforementioned) an abuser whose toxicity is NOT what my sister needs while battling cancer. Unfortunately, my mom has the final say and I think he's bullied her into allowing him to come home.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 19:03:11 GMT -5
Leaving a naked woman alone in bed to go and J.O. in the bathroom?? I hate to judge I really do, but I suspect perhaps he's gay. I don't feel like that's it. He's always been kind of odd about nudity (I know from conversations with his sister that his attitude towards nudity is most likely due to the way his parents ran their home when he was young.), and I've embraced nudity more as an adult because of the restrictiveness of my own childhood. I enjoy seeing him nude, but he rarely is. Meanwhile, he actually asked me to wear pajamas when we were dating because casual nudity makes him uncomfortable. litnerd, so, he's uncomfortable with nudity -- YOUR Nudity -- but perfectly fine with overt masturbation? sufferinhubby, I'm comfortable accepting your expert opinion at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 19:21:11 GMT -5
Meanwhile, I had to leave mid-reply here because I have major family drama. My 13 year old sister was recently diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma and began chemo last week. While my mom was 2 hours away at Children's Hospital with her, my mentally and emotionally abusive (and probable narcissist) father ended up in the hospital. I have no desire to have a relationship with him (I wouldn't if he wasn't still married to my mom), but I've taken over most of the planning around his release (with Hospice) in an effort to absorb some of the stress from my mom. I have been adamant that he needs to go to assisted living because a) his needs are more than what we can handle at home because of my sister's needs (and his health issues are all due to choices he's made), and b) he's (as aforementioned) an abuser whose toxicity is NOT what my sister needs while battling cancer. Unfortunately, my mom has the final say and I think he's bullied her into allowing him to come home. Awe litnerd, I'm so sorry. Your plate is too full for 5 women to manage. You need a break.
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Post by litnerd on Jul 15, 2016 19:24:36 GMT -5
Leaving a naked woman alone in bed to go and J.O. in the bathroom?? I hate to judge I really do, but I suspect perhaps he's gay. I don't feel like that's it. He's always been kind of odd about nudity (I know from conversations with his sister that his attitude towards nudity is most likely due to the way his parents ran their home when he was young.), and I've embraced nudity more as an adult because of the restrictiveness of my own childhood. I enjoy seeing him nude, but he rarely is. Meanwhile, he actually asked me to wear pajamas when we were dating because casual nudity makes him uncomfortable. litnerd, so, he's uncomfortable with nudity -- YOUR Nudity -- but perfectly fine with overt masturbation? sufferinhubby, I'm comfortable accepting your expert opinion at this point. Oh, he's not super overt about it. The only reason I know he does it is because he told me while drunk that he jerks off every time he's in the bath, and I creep his browser history on his phone so I know he's in there watching porn and jerking it.
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