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Post by wewbwb on Jul 8, 2016 10:37:20 GMT -5
Some days (or weeks it seems) are more a struggle than others. I am usually a upbeat funny guy - the "wacky" one and the "joker" Yet this week has been a challenge - in all three areas of my life - home - personal (being in a SM those aren't the same thing) and work. So I am rediscovering and looking at the teachings of Buddhism from a new angle.
So far - mixed results.
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Post by ggold on Jul 8, 2016 11:12:01 GMT -5
As a side branch to this thread, I'd like to know how people get over the depression that comes with LIASM, while still living in it? Most of us don't sound like we would be " the happiest, most jubilant person to be around". Perhaps I speak only for a few. I know the amount of recovery time has been discussed. How many discovered that (outsourcing/sex/relationship) is something they are not going to be ready for until long after the divorce? GC- LIASM has taken a toll on me emotionally no doubt. There are many ways, however, that I cope with the sadness I experience. I am on Lexapro for anxiety. This has also helped with depression. I have an excellent physician who I can reach out to if I feel my emotional state is worsening, in addition to our regular appointments. I am in individual therapy. Since struggling with anxiety in my teens, I am very self-aware of when I need to get help. I've been in and out of therapy for years. Currently, my therapy is centered around my marriage and how to gain the courage to take the steps I need to for my future. I started exercising and watching what I eat. The work-outs have helped immensely with relieving stress. I am proud of my weight loss and feel (and look) much better physically. I go to acupuncture for a variety of reasons, but mostly for stress and anxiety. I have noticed amazing changes!! I have become level-1 certified in reiki practice. I am able to reiki my friends and family. I practice on them and on myself. I attend reiki sessions, and just had a session on Wednesday. This is all a part of nurturing my mind, body, and spirit. I read self-help books. I especially love Louise Hay and Wayne Dyer. I practice positive affirmations. I have made some wonderful friends here who are willing to listen to me and offer their support. While I do talk about my issues to some close friends and family, it's not the same as spilling your emotions to someone who knows EXACTLY what you are going through. I have become more open sexually. I no longer feel guilty for self-pleasure. I now truly recognize that I am a sexual woman and despite what my husband's issues are, I have to take care of myself. It has empowered me more than I could have imagined. I stay active with my three children. I try to be present in mind, rather than thinking too much about the future and the past. This is EXTREMELY difficult. As far as being ready for sex, relationship, or outsourcing until after a divorce, GC..I am ready. It's a matter of the right man coming along. I have no guilt for feeling this way. I am not in search of an AP, but have set my intentions to the universe for one who I would be ready to receive. Life is too short. Should I divorce first before doing this? Yes, I probably should. I made a promise to myself that I would not go down the path of outsourcing again after my last (very short-lived) experience. As time moves on, however, I know I cannot keep that promise. We are all in different situations. What works for one will not work for all. I guess all I can say is go with your gut. ((hugs))
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 8, 2016 11:55:41 GMT -5
As a side branch to this thread, I'd like to know how people get over the depression that comes with LIASM, while still living in it? Most of us don't sound like we would be " the happiest, most jubilant person to be around". Perhaps I speak only for a few. I know the amount of recovery time has been discussed. How many discovered that (outsourcing/sex/relationship) is something they are not going to be ready for until long after the divorce? GC- LIASM has taken a toll on me emotionally no doubt. There are many ways, however, that I cope with the sadness I experience. I am on Lexapro for anxiety. This has also helped with depression. I have an excellent physician who I can reach out to if I feel my emotional state is worsening, in addition to our regular appointments. I am in individual therapy. Since struggling with anxiety in my teens, I am very self-aware of when I need to get help. I've been in and out of therapy for years. Currently, my therapy is centered around my marriage and how to gain the courage to take the steps I need to for my future. I started exercising and watching what I eat. The work-outs have helped immensely with relieving stress. I am proud of my weight loss and feel (and look) much better physically. I go to acupuncture for a variety of reasons, but mostly for stress and anxiety. I have noticed amazing changes!! I have become level-1 certified in reiki practice. I am able to reiki my friends and family. I practice on them and on myself. I attend reiki sessions, and just had a session on Wednesday. This is all a part of nurturing my mind, body, and spirit. I read self-help books. I especially love Louise Hay and Wayne Dyer. I practice positive affirmations. I have made some wonderful friends here who are willing to listen to me and offer their support. While I do talk about my issues to some close friends and family, it's not the same as spilling your emotions to someone who knows EXACTLY what you are going through. I have become more open sexually. I no longer feel guilty for self-pleasure. I now truly recognize that I am a sexual woman and despite what my husband's issues are, I have to take care of myself. It has empowered me more than I could have imagined. I stay active with my three children. I try to be present in mind, rather than thinking too much about the future and the past. This is EXTREMELY difficult. As far as being ready for sex, relationship, or outsourcing until after a divorce, GC..I am ready. It's a matter of the right man coming along. I have no guilt for feeling this way. I am not in search of an AP, but have set my intentions to the universe for one who I would be ready to receive. Life is too short. Should I divorce first before doing this? Yes, I probably should. I made a promise to myself that I would not go down the path of outsourcing again after my last (very short-lived) experience. As time moves on, however, I know I cannot keep that promise. We are all in different situations. What works for one will not work for all. I guess all I can say is go with your gut. ((hugs)) I am thoroughly impressed with your list. I have no doubt you will find your happiness.
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2016 12:05:19 GMT -5
GC- LIASM has taken a toll on me emotionally no doubt. There are many ways, however, that I cope with the sadness I experience. . . . ggold : WHAT A FABULOUS LIST!!! Thank you for sharing the whole thing -- as personal as it is -- with the forum.
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2016 12:08:55 GMT -5
Hey @roch649 ... love the new "positive attitude" as shown by your new avatar! Atta boy!
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Post by ggold on Jul 8, 2016 12:16:06 GMT -5
GC- LIASM has taken a toll on me emotionally no doubt. There are many ways, however, that I cope with the sadness I experience. . . . ggold : WHAT A FABULOUS LIST!!! Thank you for sharing the whole thing -- as personal as it is -- with the forum. Aww.thank you Dan. (hugs) I'm trying. Each day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:23:09 GMT -5
Hey @roch649 ... love the new "positive attitude" as shown by your new avatar! Atta boy! Ha!...the wonderful ladies of this board pushed me in this direction.... It is very contrary to the face I usually put on.... in HS I was known as "uncle smiley" or "captain sunshine". Because of the depressed face I often haf.. Like others I have worked hard to understand myself... learning about bring an HSP and the work of DR Elaine Aron changed my whole perspective on me... I am very happy I discovered her work, I am a total hsp... The problem, my W completely rejects it, calls it a crutch. Only I can work my way from this depression... at least I know know others travel the same path...
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2016 12:34:17 GMT -5
I really love everybody's list so far. I'm going to add one detail, and one item that was overlooked so far. 1) As stated, get out of the house, and learn to start enjoying YOUR interests. Don't feel you have any? DIG DEEP... I bet you have plenty, but your years of SM self-deprecation has left you never exploring them because your refuser-spouse didn't want to have sex with you OR do those fun things, too. My favorite side for "get off your butt, away from your screen, and go DO something with actual outgoing people" is meetup.com. It's not a dating site: it is for folks who want to get off their butts, get away from their screens, and go DO something with actual outgoing people. 2) Here one more thing to consider: serve. Do some volunteer work. Commit to making your neighborhood a better place. Offer time in a soup kitchen or working for Habitat for Humanity. Or: simply reframe service you are already doing, and see how it makes the fabric of your community stronger. Are you a Cub Scout, Boy Scout, or Girl Scout leader? You are teaching your kid and the others involved community values, leadership, and life skills. You coach a community sport team? Great. That hopefully spreads a love of teamwork and exercise... or at least gets the kids moving. And so on. Being depressed is feeling disconnected from your family and life around you. So -- do something that makes the world a better place -- by connecting your heart to those that you are serving. All hearts involved will be better off for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:57:16 GMT -5
Like DryCreek , I have "rediscovered" interests that I set aside, for far too long. I have committed myself to making ME a priority - health, fitness, time in the outdoors, Faith, local politics, surrounding myself with positive people, etc. I strongly believe in professional mental health services, including therapy, accurate diagnoaes and/or appropriate medication. I'm all about a holistic approach to life, whenever possible. SM is no exception. This is exactly how I get through as well. I am trying to nurture my mind, body, and soul. Mind, body, soul, always, FTW, my dear friend.
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Post by ggold on Jul 8, 2016 13:48:12 GMT -5
I really love everybody's list so far. I'm going to add one detail, and one item that was overlooked so far. 1) As stated, get out of the house, and learn to start enjoying YOUR interests. Don't feel you have any? DIG DEEP... I bet you have plenty, but your years of SM self-deprecation has left you never exploring them because your refuser-spouse didn't want to have sex with you OR do those fun things, too. My favorite side for "get off your butt, away from your screen, and go DO something with actual outgoing people" is meetup.com. It's not a dating site: it is for folks who want to get off their butts, get away from their screens, and go DO something with actual outgoing people. 2) Here one more thing to consider: serve. Do some volunteer work. Commit to making your neighborhood a better place. Offer time in a soup kitchen or working for Habitat for Humanity. Or: simply reframe service you are already doing, and see how it makes the fabric of your community stronger. Are you a Cub Scout, Boy Scout, or Girl Scout leader? You are teaching your kid and the others involved community values, leadership, and life skills. You coach a community sport team? Great. That hopefully spreads a love of teamwork and exercise... or at least gets the kids moving. And so on. Being depressed is feeling disconnected from your family and life around you. So -- do something that makes the world a better place -- by connecting your heart to those that you are serving. All hearts involved will be better off for it. Dan, You are so right! These are great suggestions. Volunteering especially brings me happiness. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 15:09:56 GMT -5
as ggold said, exercise for me made a huge difference.
I had gotten away from running for a while but took it back up. Usually just did 5k races... then decided to do a half marathon before 40. I did it... then the 4 season challenge of a half marathon in winter, spring, summer, and fall... all in my 40th year. and I have found that distance running does work away the stress and depression... and I sleep better.
yesterday, after some depressing times, I ran for an hour and half in a state forest on the winter ski trails... felt so much better afterwards...
added bonus, while training for races... I must say I do look a lot better naked....even if I am the only one seeing me...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 16:02:25 GMT -5
Well, while I was still with my ex, I probably didn't do enough to help myself. What energized me and sustained me then was ILIASM on EP.
After I moved out of my ex's place, and lived by myself, I had a lot more empty time on my hands, and it was up to me to fill it. I am not a natural party girl; I tend to be receptive and let other pool take the lead. But I do have things I love - one of which is books and stories. So I joined a book group through Meetup, and started taking creative writing classes through a local organization, and started writing fiction again - after many years of not doing that.
And after Ex and I split up, I joined some more Meetup groups to go see bands and movies and stuff.
I also adopted a pet cat. Pets can be fantastic depression-busters. And the fictional worlds I was reading and writing about were at least an escape, and the groups filled in some time and got me out with other people. I know if I'm by myself too much, I do get depressed.
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Post by ggold on Jul 8, 2016 16:44:15 GMT -5
as ggold said, exercise for me made a huge difference. I had gotten away from running for a while but took it back up. Usually just did 5k races... then decided to do a half marathon before 40. I did it... then the 4 season challenge of a half marathon in winter, spring, summer, and fall... all in my 40th year. and I have found that distance running does work away the stress and depression... and I sleep better. yesterday, after some depressing times, I ran for an hour and half in a state forest on the winter ski trails... felt so much better afterwards... added bonus, while training for races... I must say I do look a lot better naked....even if I am the only one seeing me... I am sure you look fantastic naked!!! See, I knew you had some positive attributes!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 16:53:49 GMT -5
as ggold said, exercise for me made a huge difference. I had gotten away from running for a while but took it back up. Usually just did 5k races... then decided to do a half marathon before 40. I did it... then the 4 season challenge of a half marathon in winter, spring, summer, and fall... all in my 40th year. and I have found that distance running does work away the stress and depression... and I sleep better. yesterday, after some depressing times, I ran for an hour and half in a state forest on the winter ski trails... felt so much better afterwards... added bonus, while training for races... I must say I do look a lot better naked....even if I am the only one seeing me... I am sure you look fantastic naked!!! See, I knew you had some positive attributes!!! Thanks ggold!! Training for 13 mile races does help.... My bod has had limited exposure and no real feedback so I have little to go by... You certainly found a way to put a smile on my face....
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Post by tamara68 on Jul 9, 2016 3:13:17 GMT -5
Some days (or weeks it seems) are more a struggle than others. I am usually a upbeat funny guy - the "wacky" one and the "joker" Yet this week has been a challenge - in all three areas of my life - home - personal (being in a SM those aren't the same thing) and work. So I am rediscovering and looking at the teachings of Buddhism from a new angle. So far - mixed results. Several years ago I have been reading about Buddhism and Taoism as an attempt to find ways to accept the situation as it is and not be mad. There is a lot of value in these teachings according to me, but it also enforces being passive. I don't think that that works well for people in a bad marriage where they are being manipulated. It might help for dealing with some issues that you experience in life where you have no control over. But bad marriages are things you have a choice in. Especially in our western culture.
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