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Post by eternaloptimism on Jun 27, 2016 5:40:38 GMT -5
I get so excited for people when it seems so clear like this. But then it never is as straightforward is it. Darn our good hearts and our best intentions. They shit on us all the time! To me, being given options never means I'm being shat on .... (unless the options are Typhoid, Cholera or Plague) Now there are some options I'd rather not be offered!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 8:03:50 GMT -5
There's your answer, lost34 , clear as a bell. Lawyer up and file for divorce. ASAP Why the hell would you say a thing like that? It may be perfectly acceptable for the OP to find a bed partner and continue with the relationship. I've been given a pass - my wife says "it just doesn't work for me any more", and so, presumably out of compassion, she has said that she has no expectation that I should have to live like a monk for the rest of my days. I can not see any reason why that means I should divorce her. Egad. Now, if she wasn't putting any effort into the relationship, if she hadn't cleaned up her abusive behaviour almost completely, it might be a different story - but as it is, we have a very very good platonic relationship. Actually, no, we have tons of physical affection, just no intercourse. Your views on polyamory may be different from mine, but I think you should keep the option in mind for those who are inclined that way (or at least don't balk at the thought). I have always been open to loving several people at any one time in my life. You might say I have a big heart I was merely offering my opinion based on what she shared. You then "applied" my comment to yourself, followed by a dig at me about polyamory. I never even mentioned polyamory! I have not ever commented on your situation, nor cast aspersions on your comments. SMDH
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Post by petrushka on Jun 27, 2016 10:01:52 GMT -5
Why the hell would you say a thing like that? It may be perfectly acceptable for the OP to find a bed partner and continue with the relationship. I was merely offering my opinion based on what she shared. You then "applied" my comment to yourself, followed by a dig at me about polyamory. I never even mentioned polyamory! I have not ever commented on your situation, nor cast aspersions on your comments. SMDH I did not take your comments personally, Z. I was entirely commenting on your advice to the O.P. O.P. goes "my husband suggested I find a lover" you react "lawyer up and get a divorce" I consider that a mite rash. But yeah, it's your opinion. I think you pretty much read my post wrong, b.t.w.
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Post by bballgirl on Jun 27, 2016 14:51:19 GMT -5
petrushka I think @zumbamami is right. Mr.Lost34 told Mrs. lost34 that she "should try being with another person?"! Why didn't he say: "let's divorce so that you might have a chance to be in a relationship with someone who is a good match to you, as clearly I'm not!"Being told to "go fuck with another, because I could care less, it doesn't matter to me at all, just stop bothering me with your complaints about the lack of sex" is a deal-breaker for most people and a marriage stop existing as such. I agree with you @fiery that would totally be a deal breaker for most. It is not normal for a spouse to be ok with the other fucking someone else. At the end I was wishing my H was cheating and that I could have my easy out. It is out of pure selfishness that a spouse can not meet your needs at least once a month to make you feel loved. For many years I believed his excuses month after month because I was in denial that my spouse was not attracted to me sexually while he strung me along so that I would continue to be his cook, maid, chauffeur, bill payer, grocery shopper, etc. It would have been more humane of him to tell me and not string me along for years because eventually when I ran out of love and attraction for him I set him free. If he would have told me to go fuck someone else, that says because I won't fuck you and in a spouse that is not acceptable to me at this stage of my life. My husband was such a controlling, narcissitic person he would have never told me to fuck someone else. He didn't want to touch me and no one else could either. That's not normal. Don't we deserve normal?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 15:41:08 GMT -5
I wonder if he likes his coffee with another man's dick in it?
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Post by unmatched on Jun 27, 2016 15:59:20 GMT -5
I wonder if he likes his coffee with another man's dick in it? That is different. There is a danger the coffee might go near his mouth!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 16:06:27 GMT -5
I wonder if he likes his coffee with another man's dick in it? That is different. There is a danger the coffee might go near his mouth! I may be wrong, but I'm not thinking that's a problem in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 18:22:30 GMT -5
petrushka I think @zumbamami is right. Mr.Lost34 told Mrs. lost34 that she "should try being with another person?"! Why didn't he say: "let's divorce so that you might have a chance to be in a relationship with someone who is a good match to you, as clearly I'm not!"Being told to "go fuck with another, because I could care less, it doesn't matter to me at all, just stop bothering me with your complaints about the lack of sex" is a deal-breaker for most people and a marriage stop existing as such. I agree with you @fiery that would totally be a deal breaker for most. It is not normal for a spouse to be ok with the other fucking someone else. At the end I was wishing my H was cheating and that I could have my easy out. It is out of pure selfishness that a spouse can not meet your needs at least once a month to make you feel loved. For many years I believed his excuses month after month because I was in denial that my spouse was not attracted to me sexually while he strung me along so that I would continue to be his cook, maid, chauffeur, bill payer, grocery shopper, etc. It would have been more humane of him to tell me and not string me along for years because eventually when I ran out of love and attraction for him I set him free. If he would have told me to go fuck someone else, that says because I won't fuck you and in a spouse that is not acceptable to me at this stage of my life. My husband was such a controlling, narcissitic person he would have never told me to fuck someone else. He didn't want to touch me and no one else could either. That's not normal. Don't we deserve normal? This is the best part of being out of a sexless marriage, normalcy. I thought that when I finally got to be with someone on a regular basis it would be nonstopulation (I just made that up). But no, just vanilla twice a week. And I love it.
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Post by lost34 on Jun 28, 2016 5:45:12 GMT -5
Actually my husband and I are affection just not intimate. This is what makes it hard to move forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 6:54:27 GMT -5
Seriously gay
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Post by jim44444 on Jun 28, 2016 17:21:25 GMT -5
I am remembering in the EP forum that several women and a few men were given a "green light" to gratify their sexual desires with other partners. The results were mixed as each couple had their own unique rules. One woman's husband's libido increased as she went out with other men. So the premise that his offer is "wrong" may not match his intent. Maybe he is aroused by the thought of lost34 being with another man. The concept of a nonmonogamous relationship is not all that unusual today or throughout history. In this case lost34 needs to have further in depth discussions with her H to determine his true motivation for his statement. She also needs to search deep into her soul to decide how she feels about this. Is it a gift to her or a rebuke? FWIW, I am in agreement with petrushka. If the rest of the relationship is good then taking unilateral celibacy out of the equation can be an improvement, even an act of love.
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Post by baza on Jun 29, 2016 1:53:51 GMT -5
I think that - in the rare cases - the offer of the "Green Light" is extended, there is plenty of bullshit being produced at the same time, and by both parties in the dynamic. - A sexually disenfranchised spouse may, at some point in a fit of pique, say something along the lines of - "if you won't fuck me then I'll find someone who will" to which the refusive spouse responds "go ahead". - It is brinksmanship by them both, and they both know it. - The sexually disenfranchised spouse has shot from the hip, mainly to try and stir a reaction out of the refusive spouse, and has no plan - or even a candidate - to go and fuck. - The refusive spouse just calls the bluff, as there is no evidence that the sexually disenfranchised spouse has any plan - or even a candidate - to carry this threat through. - In another scenario, where the refusive spouse makes the suggestion, that the sexually disenfranchised spouse go outside the marriage, that too is invariably a bluff tactic. The offer would NOT be made if the refusive spouse had any inkling whatsoever that the sexually disenfranchised spouse might actually do it. - And the disenfranchised spouse - if they had a plan and a candidate lined up - would be out there doing it, not discussing the theory with, or seeking the approval of, the refusive spouse. - Refusive spouses will "agree" to all sorts of things. Particularly things that are highly unlikely to happen. - I speculate here, that our Sister lost34 is a pretty straight up chick, believes in monogamy, believes in marriage as an institution, has no history of marital infidelity, and is not currently chasing spare dicks up and down the street. I further speculate that she is HIGHLY unlikely to suddenly become an extra-marital root rat. - So Mr lost34's "generous" offer is at a pretty low risk of happening............and that's the only reason he offered it.
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Post by lost34 on Jun 29, 2016 5:11:35 GMT -5
You hit the nail on the head there Baza. I have no intention of going ahead with my husbands offer. Even if I wanted to i don't think I could actually go through it. There is affection, we are getting along its just intimacy. I guess its something I should decide if I can live with.
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Post by Neotericgal on Jun 29, 2016 17:04:49 GMT -5
Actually my husband and I are affection just not intimate. This is what makes it hard to move forward. Mine is affectionate as well, obnoxiously so in light of the fact that there is absolutely zero "I think you are hot and want to boink your brains out" sex factor to his hugs and pecks. After a few years of only this, it is becoming harder to even desire physical touch from him because it is starting to feel like a bandage on my gaping rejection wound.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 20:24:52 GMT -5
I was merely offering my opinion based on what she shared. You then "applied" my comment to yourself, followed by a dig at me about polyamory. I never even mentioned polyamory! I have not ever commented on your situation, nor cast aspersions on your comments. SMDH I did not take your comments personally, Z. I was entirely commenting on your advice to the O.P. O.P. goes "my husband suggested I find a lover" you react "lawyer up and get a divorce" I consider that a mite rash. But yeah, it's your opinion. I think you pretty much read my post wrong, b.t.w. No.
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