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Post by Same old, same old on Jan 18, 2024 21:17:41 GMT -5
I've come to a revelation as of late ... maybe it IS me. Maybe I'm the reason we haven't had sex in forever and a day. Maybe I'm just not worth it. Maybe I'm not attractive. Maybe I'm not sexy. Maybe I am too agressive. Maybe I'm not aggressive enough. Maybe it's time to just grow old and forget about having sex again. Maybe I'm done trying ... internally and externally. My self esteem is at an all time low.
Not looking for pity or anything really ... I just wanted to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening.
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Post by aquacat on Jan 18, 2024 22:08:23 GMT -5
I've come to a revelation as of late ... maybe it IS me. Maybe I'm the reason we haven't had sex in forever and a day. Maybe I'm just not worth it. Maybe I'm not attractive. Maybe I'm not sexy. Maybe I am too agressive. Maybe I'm not aggressive enough. Maybe it's time to just grow old and forget about having sex again. Maybe I'm done trying ... internally and externally. My self esteem is at an all time low. Not looking for pity or anything really ... I just wanted to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening. You aren’t alone. Sometimes I feel the same way about myself. You are worth it! it still baffles me that a man would refuse his wife. I know I would not refuse at all.
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Post by week5of35years on Jan 19, 2024 5:04:26 GMT -5
I've come to a revelation as of late ... maybe it IS me. Maybe I'm the reason we haven't had sex in forever and a day. Maybe I'm just not worth it. Maybe I'm not attractive. Maybe I'm not sexy. Maybe I am too agressive. Maybe I'm not aggressive enough. Maybe it's time to just grow old and forget about having sex again. Maybe I'm done trying ... internally and externally. My self esteem is at an all time low. Not looking for pity or anything really ... I just wanted to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening. There is someone out there for you... P
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Post by mirrororchid on Jan 19, 2024 7:13:14 GMT -5
My guess is you would not be married if you weren't at least attractive enough to be of sexual interest.
You were valuable enough to marry, the bar for sexual partners is extremely likely to be lower. Now a healthy, loving sexual union is a higher bar than marriage, it seems. ILIASM has demonstrated that, we must observe.
Do you want sex, or erotic love? Sex is almost certainly a yes for you. A devoted, loving sexual partner? Maybe. Not enough to go on.
I asked myself if I was kidding myself. Started dating to see if outsourcing was even a possibility. I landed two dates with little investment from two married women. One wanted me physically. I do not know if that is because dating married women is easier, or my characteristics combine to be unusually attractive, or the unsuccessful efforts by other men seem more common than they are with uncharismatic men being the loudest and presenting an outsized influence in dating discussions. Perhaps successful men are too busy to participate. Plausible. More than a few guys get shot down badly online. Almost no women strike out except through a matter of taste. They get offers, both carnal and romantic, but none of the willing candidates are what they'd hoped for. They'd prefer to be single, perhaps scratching the occasional itch with a f*ck-boy while they wait for their sentiment to change. Marriage appears to be only a small obstacle for women, but a colossal one for the fellas.
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Post by worksforme2 on Jan 19, 2024 7:50:43 GMT -5
Same old, same old.....It is unlikely that any of the things you mentioned above are really what is the reason for what is happening, or not happening in your marriage. The partner doing all the work trying to fix the lack of intimacy is rarely to be faulted for going the extra mile in the relationship. Most males here are gasping for breathe reading about another man turning down a willing and eager sexual partner. Hard to get ones mind around that senerio. You are depressed at the moment. Take 5, do some deep breathing exercises and know that "this to shall pass".
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Post by Same old, same old on Jan 19, 2024 10:02:26 GMT -5
Same old, same old.....It is unlikely that any of the things you mentioned above are really what is the the reason for what is happening, or not happening in your marriage. The partner doing all the work trying to fix the lack of intimacy is rarely to be faulted for going the extra mile in the relationship. Most males here are gasping for breathe reading about another man turning down a willing and eager sexual partner. Hard to get ones mind around that senerio. You are depressed at the moment. Take 5, do some deep breathing exercises and know that "this to shall pass". Thank you for the reminder to take a step back ... I am frustrated. Even my attempts to have an online affair have failed so its an even harder hit to my self esteem.
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Post by Same old, same old on Jan 19, 2024 10:27:30 GMT -5
My guess is you would not be married if you weren't at least attractive enough to be of sexual interest. You were valuable enough to marry, the bar for sexual partners is extremely likely to be lower. Now a healthy, loving sexual union is a higher bar than marriage, it seems. ILIASM has demonstrated that, we must observe. Do you want sex, or erotic love? Sex is almost certainly a yes for you. A devoted, loving sexual partner? Maybe. Not enough to go on. I asked myself if I was kidding myself. Started dating to see if outsourcing was even a possibility. I landed two dates with little investment from two married women. One wanted me physically. I do not know if that is because dating married women is easier, or my characteristics combine to be unusually attractive, or the unsuccessful efforts by other men seem more common than they are with uncharismatic men being the loudest and presenting an outsized influence in dating discussions. Perhaps successful men are too busy to participate. Plausible. More than a few guys get shot down badly online. Almost no women strike out except through a matter of taste. They get offers, both carnal and romantic, but none of the willing candidates are what they'd hoped for. They'd prefer to be single, perhaps scratching the occasional itch with a f*ck-boy while they wait for their sentiment to change. Marriage appears to be only a small obstacle for women, but a colossal one for the fellas. I have tried to attract a handful of online f@#ck buddies but it has failed on all attempts. Not because I stopped but because they dropped off without any honest or true reason for stopping. It must be me or guys in general just have no courage to say they're done or why or anything for that matter. This is where my head goes so, shame on me for taking it to heart and mind.
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Post by Missingout on Jan 19, 2024 13:16:21 GMT -5
I've come to a revelation as of late ... maybe it IS me. Maybe I'm the reason we haven't had sex in forever and a day. Maybe I'm just not worth it. Maybe I'm not attractive. Maybe I'm not sexy. Maybe I am too agressive. Maybe I'm not aggressive enough. Maybe it's time to just grow old and forget about having sex again. Maybe I'm done trying ... internally and externally. My self esteem is at an all time low. Not looking for pity or anything really ... I just wanted to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening. Uhhhgg I'm in the same low spot girl. Put your self out there and it will happen. It's just exhausting looking for the right one.
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Post by isthisit on Jan 19, 2024 15:07:46 GMT -5
My guess is you would not be married if you weren't at least attractive enough to be of sexual interest. You were valuable enough to marry, the bar for sexual partners is extremely likely to be lower. Now a healthy, loving sexual union is a higher bar than marriage, it seems. ILIASM has demonstrated that, we must observe. Do you want sex, or erotic love? Sex is almost certainly a yes for you. A devoted, loving sexual partner? Maybe. Not enough to go on. I asked myself if I was kidding myself. Started dating to see if outsourcing was even a possibility. I landed two dates with little investment from two married women. One wanted me physically. I do not know if that is because dating married women is easier, or my characteristics combine to be unusually attractive, or the unsuccessful efforts by other men seem more common than they are with uncharismatic men being the loudest and presenting an outsized influence in dating discussions. Perhaps successful men are too busy to participate. Plausible. More than a few guys get shot down badly online. Almost no women strike out except through a matter of taste. They get offers, both carnal and romantic, but none of the willing candidates are what they'd hoped for. They'd prefer to be single, perhaps scratching the occasional itch with a f*ck-boy while they wait for their sentiment to change. Marriage appears to be only a small obstacle for women, but a colossal one for the fellas. I have tried to attract a handful of online f@#ck buddies but it has failed on all attempts. Not because I stopped but because they dropped off without any honest or true reason for stopping. It must be me or guys in general just have no courage to say they're done or why or anything for that matter. This is where my head goes so, shame on me for taking it to heart and mind. Oh dear, you sound very down in the dumps, and it’s not hard for me to see why. Being knocked back by your spouse certainly leaves a lady especially vulnerable. It’s rubbish for men and women, definitely, but we get the added punch in the guts from that old “known” in society; that all men like sex and are raring to go at all times… except my man for me. I am going to offer an alternative perspective, which may or may not reflect your experiences. I am wondering why your assumption is that there is fault with you that these men vanish? Could it be quite the opposite? Is it possible that these men have enjoyed contact with you, and in doing so have gained an understanding of what a normal relationship looks like which provides a stark contrast to their reality, which is hard for them to bear? Might this take time for these men to process and come to terms with a reminder of what normal, healthy communication looks and feels like? I have spoken to several men online, here and elsewhere, who have floated away and then back towards me who have explained this was what was in their thinking. (In my situation these were above board, civilised conversations with no aspect of debauchery. So, emotionally very different to you possibly.) The common denominator was the difficulty these men seemed to experience having healthy communication with a very different woman than their wife. A woman not hell-bent on control, manipulation, blaming and abusing. They loved it all, until it got them thinking about their choices, then it all got really hard, so they pulled a Houdini to make it all easier for them. So, petal, it may well not be anything to do with you, other than you being a normal, healthy, well adjusted women causing more confusion than these men can bear. If you can, please try to be kind to yourself.
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Post by Same old, same old on Jan 19, 2024 15:20:58 GMT -5
I have tried to attract a handful of online f@#ck buddies but it has failed on all attempts. Not because I stopped but because they dropped off without any honest or true reason for stopping. It must be me or guys in general just have no courage to say they're done or why or anything for that matter. This is where my head goes so, shame on me for taking it to heart and mind. Oh dear, you sound very down in the dumps, and it’s not hard for me to see why. Being knocked back by your spouse certainly leaves a lady especially vulnerable. It’s rubbish for men and women, definitely, but we get the added punch in the guts from that old “known” in society; that all men like sex and are raring to go at all times… except my man for me. I am going to offer an alternative perspective, which may or may not reflect your experiences. I am wondering why your assumption is that there is fault with you that these men vanish? Could it be quite the opposite? Is it possible that these men have enjoyed contact with you, and in doing so have gained an understanding of what a normal relationship looks like which provides a stark contrast to their reality, which is hard for them to bear? Might this take time for these men to process and come to terms with a reminder of what normal, healthy communication looks and feels like? I have spoken to several men online, here and elsewhere, who have floated away and then back towards me who have explained this was what was in their thinking. (In my situation these were above board, civilised conversations with no aspect of debauchery. So, emotionally very different to you possibly.) The common denominator was the difficulty these men seemed to experience having healthy communication with a very different woman than their wife. A woman not hell-bent on control, manipulation, blaming and abusing. They loved it all, until it got them thinking about their choices, then it all got really hard, so they pulled a Houdini to make it all easier for them. So, petal, it may well not be anything to do with you, other than you being a normal, healthy, well adjusted women causing more confusion than these men can bear. If you can, please try to be kind to yourself. Wow, I never ever thought of it that way. Thank you for giving me a healthier way of thinking. I still do wish that they (the online affair partners) would just be honest about that instead of pulling "a Houdini" on me ... it's really kinda mean and they need to know what it does to a woman when she's already feeling neglected and unwanted.
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Post by isthisit on Jan 19, 2024 15:28:07 GMT -5
Ah, I am glad my thinking was helpful to you. I agree that this is a situation where some backbone comes in handy, but some folks just can’t find that strength when it is needed. They find something out about themselves in this moment most likely.
The returns have been quite interesting. From the “hello there, how are you?” like nothing happened, to a whole mea culpa thing. One guy told me he had felt horrible about his exit every day he was away. (He needn’t have, I was a lot less arsed about it than his inflated ego was imagining.)
If you can, try to find confidence in yourself and leave these spineless men to their tragic lives with cold and abusive wives. They may be missing you as much as you are missing them.
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Post by Same old, same old on Jan 19, 2024 15:34:35 GMT -5
Ah, I am glad my thinking was helpful to you. I agree that this is a situation where some backbone comes in handy, but some folks just can’t find that strength when it is needed. They find something out about themselves in this moment most likely. The returns have been quite interesting. From the “hello there, how are you?” like nothing happened, to a whole mea culpa thing. One guy told me he had felt horrible about his exit every day he was away. (He needn’t have, I was a lot less arsed about it than his inflated ego was imagining.) If you can, try to find confidence in yourself and leave these spineless men to their tragic lives with cold and abusive wives. They may be missing you as much as you are missing them. I can let most of them go but there are at least two that I really felt a connection with and would just like to hear from them and not be left hanging. Maybe I should just leave them to their misery.
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Post by isthisit on Jan 19, 2024 15:41:22 GMT -5
Ah, I am glad my thinking was helpful to you. I agree that this is a situation where some backbone comes in handy, but some folks just can’t find that strength when it is needed. They find something out about themselves in this moment most likely. The returns have been quite interesting. From the “hello there, how are you?” like nothing happened, to a whole mea culpa thing. One guy told me he had felt horrible about his exit every day he was away. (He needn’t have, I was a lot less arsed about it than his inflated ego was imagining.) If you can, try to find confidence in yourself and leave these spineless men to their tragic lives with cold and abusive wives. They may be missing you as much as you are missing them. I can let most of them go but there are at least two that I really felt a connection with and would just like to hear from them and not be left hanging. Maybe I should just leave them to their misery. Yep, it’s probably the connection which has scared the bejesus out of them. My view is leave them be, to process the news that there is better out there if they dare to strive for it. My experiences stretch over 5 years. Gaps of 18 months- 2, 3 years, but for reasons of their own these men did not seem to forget our friendship. In the meantime, live your life, promote your own happiness and leave the rest to the cosmos. I repeat, they are very likely thinking about you as much as you are thinking about them.
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Post by Missingout on Jan 19, 2024 16:10:47 GMT -5
Spot on isthisit!! You woman here are sooo smart.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jan 20, 2024 14:58:11 GMT -5
I've come to a revelation as of late ... maybe it IS me. Maybe I'm the reason we haven't had sex in forever and a day. Maybe I'm just not worth it. Maybe I'm not attractive. Maybe I'm not sexy. Maybe I am too agressive. Maybe I'm not aggressive enough. Maybe it's time to just grow old and forget about having sex again. Maybe I'm done trying ... internally and externally. My self esteem is at an all time low. Not looking for pity or anything really ... I just wanted to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening. Once you stop chasing the wrong things, the right ones catch you!! There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in!
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