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Post by m76 on Sept 26, 2023 6:30:26 GMT -5
So if anyone has been following my posts. My wife came out as asexual when I confronted her about the lack of sex and affection.
She had her first solo counciling session yesterday and I'm not sure what to make of what she shared. Her counselor has recommended that we make time regularly to "talk" about sex and what we want out of the relationship.
We'll see how the talking goes later but I'm skeptical of talking about sex replacing the physical act which I don't see happening. If I end up more frustrated I'll just end that and go back to status quo. In fairness to her there was some effort last night. We were watching TV and she sat beside me and leaned into me like she hasn't done in years.
The bottom line for me. I want someone who wants me physically as much as I want them but for now I'm not leaving. I still have the financial considerations as well as my son that still lives at home.
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Post by toughtiger on Sept 26, 2023 10:02:26 GMT -5
congrats. Well small progress is still progress..... talking about sex does not replace it but can ease it for her... i think if in one session counselor gave her homework lol ... is a good sign that whatever the issues are the counselor sees a path to something better..
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Post by h on Sept 26, 2023 16:26:05 GMT -5
The sex is over for good now. Her "coming out" as asexual is no different than if she came out lesbian. She's never going to want sex with you. The good news is that now you have a clear irrefutable answer to that question in the back of your mind. It means you and your wife can redefine your relationship into whatever you both will be satisfied with.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 26, 2023 18:03:45 GMT -5
So if anyone has been following my posts. My wife came out as asexual when I confronted her about the lack of sex and affection. She had her first solo counciling session yesterday and I'm not sure what to make of what she shared. Her counselor has recommended that we make time regularly to "talk" about sex and what we want out of the relationship. We'll see how the talking goes later but I'm skeptical of talking about sex replacing the physical act which I don't see happening. If I end up more frustrated I'll just end that The bottom line for me. I want someone who wants me physically as much as I want them but for now I'm not leaving. I still have the financial considerations as well as my son that still lives at home. My wife came out as asexual......Was this an "A-HAH" moment for you? Does it make you look back into the past and give you a sense of " so, it wasn't me! it wasn't my fault? I was acting normally! Most women would have been highly complimented and loved what i did/say/acted upon? That was my experience. I remember just a few weeks into our marriage, when my then "W" moved into my house with me, getting her up against the washing machine, and wanting to give her " french kisses" and "do it" right there in the laundry room! And being told " I don't like that". She didn't like being french kissed, she didn't like, being up against the washing machine, she didn't like the thought of kissing in the laundry room, etc... Hindsight taught me how this set the "rules" for decades to come. making her the 'gatekeeper" to sex, or the huge lack off. sadly, talking is exactly what a asexual wants, but the opposite of your wants/needs.
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Post by m76 on Sept 26, 2023 19:44:40 GMT -5
So if anyone has been following my posts. My wife came out as asexual when I confronted her about the lack of sex and affection. She had her first solo counciling session yesterday and I'm not sure what to make of what she shared. Her counselor has recommended that we make time regularly to "talk" about sex and what we want out of the relationship. We'll see how the talking goes later but I'm skeptical of talking about sex replacing the physical act which I don't see happening. If I end up more frustrated I'll just end that The bottom line for me. I want someone who wants me physically as much as I want them but for now I'm not leaving. I still have the financial considerations as well as my son that still lives at home. My wife came out as asexual......Was this an "A-HAH" moment for you? Does it make you look back into the past and give you a sense of " so, it wasn't me! it wasn't my fault? I was acting normally! Most women would have been highly complimented and loved what i did/say/acted upon? That was my experience. I remember just a few weeks into our marriage, when my now "w" moved into my house with me, getting her up against the washing machine, and wanting to give her " french kisses" and "do it" right there in the laundry room! And being told " I don't like that". She didn't like being french kissed, she didn't like, being up against the washing machine, she didn't like the thought of kissing in the laundry room, etc... Hindsight taught me how this set the "rules" for decades to come. making her the 'gatekeeper" to sex, or the huge lack off. sadly, talking is exactly what a asexual wants, but the opposite of your wants/needs. yes for sure. I remeber initially thinking that maybe she's just stressed and I needed to do more to help out but I already do most of the house work. It also explains the excuses time after time to the point that I stopped even trying about 5 years ago. Now we're planning a night to talk about sex. F me if I know how that conversation is going to go beyond me asking hey can I ever stick my D in your V? No, ok good talk.
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Post by muzack on Sept 26, 2023 21:32:12 GMT -5
I believe a few members here had spouses declare they were asexual, but it really meant "I am asexual regarding you." Later (either after or during the marriage) they were quite sexual towards others. Your mileage may vary, but declaring herself asexual could be a mechanism to view herself as OK and avoid looking at a score of other issues.
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Post by aquacat on Sept 26, 2023 21:42:02 GMT -5
So if anyone has been following my posts. My wife came out as asexual when I confronted her about the lack of sex and affection. She had her first solo counciling session yesterday and I'm not sure what to make of what she shared. Her counselor has recommended that we make time regularly to "talk" about sex and what we want out of the relationship. We'll see how the talking goes later but I'm skeptical of talking about sex replacing the physical act which I don't see happening. If I end up more frustrated I'll just end that The bottom line for me. I want someone who wants me physically as much as I want them but for now I'm not leaving. I still have the financial considerations as well as my son that still lives at home. My wife came out as asexual......Was this an "A-HAH" moment for you? Does it make you look back into the past and give you a sense of " so, it wasn't me! it wasn't my fault? I was acting normally! Most women would have been highly complimented and loved what i did/say/acted upon? That was my experience. I remember just a few weeks into our marriage, when my now "w" moved into my house with me, getting her up against the washing machine, and wanting to give her " french kisses" and "do it" right there in the laundry room! And being told " I don't like that". She didn't like being french kissed, she didn't like, being up against the washing machine, she didn't like the thought of kissing in the laundry room, etc... Hindsight taught me how this set the "rules" for decades to come. making her the 'gatekeeper" to sex, or the huge lack off. sadly, talking is exactly what a asexual wants, but the opposite of your wants/needs. Interesting, my wife isn’t into French kissing at all and when we kiss during sex it’s me trying to French kiss her and her not really being into it. She hates it when I ask her to French kiss me back. This was early on as well and should have been a red flag.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 26, 2023 22:25:39 GMT -5
I believe a few members here had spouses declare they were asexual, but it really meant "I am asexual regarding you." Later (either after or during the marriage) they were quite sexual towards others. Your mileage may vary, but declaring herself asexual could be a mechanism to view herself as OK and avoid looking at a score of other issues. I also remember reading about "greysexual" : someone who can be turned on long enough to procreate, and then be basically asexual showing no need or desire for intercourse again.
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Post by m76 on Sept 26, 2023 23:15:26 GMT -5
I believe a few members here had spouses declare they were asexual, but it really meant "I am asexual regarding you." Later (either after or during the marriage) they were quite sexual towards others. Your mileage may vary, but declaring herself asexual could be a mechanism to view herself as OK and avoid looking at a score of other issues. I also remember reading about "greysexual" : someone who can be turned on long enough to procreate, and then be basically asexual showing no need or desire for intercourse again. since we have 2 kids, this is plausible. The more I think about this situation the angrier I get. Years of being refused, thinking I was a bad lover or a bad husband in some way not meeting her needs only to find out it was never a problem with me but she never would outright tell me why she was refusing. It was always one or another excuse. When she told me that she was asexual she was crying a bit and asked " but do you still love me?" I said yes but now I wish I hadn't. Hypothetical.... if I told her I was gay and her touch grossed me out, would she still love me? I'm mad as hell, frustrated and sad but there's nothing I can do short of walking out the door. I can't bring myself to do that yet even though logically I can see that's my best course of action.
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Post by aquacat on Sept 27, 2023 5:31:52 GMT -5
I also remember reading about "greysexual" : someone who can be turned on long enough to procreate, and then be basically asexual showing no need or desire for intercourse again. since we have 2 kids, this is plausible. The more I think about this situation the angrier I get. Years of being refused, thinking I was a bad lover or a bad husband in some way not meeting her needs only to find out it was never a problem with me but she never would outright tell me why she was refusing. It was always one or another excuse. When she told me that she was asexual she was crying a bit and asked " but do you still love me?" I said yes but now I wish I hadn't. Hypothetical.... if I told her I was gay and her touch grossed me out, would she still love me? I'm mad as hell, frustrated and sad but there's nothing I can do short of walking out the door. I can't bring myself to do that yet even though logically I can see that's my best course of action. Are we married to the same wife?? Mine was like that too when we tried for our kids. She was into it, initiated, and actually moaned during. I still didn’t get oral but I did get a little more participation than I do now. Once she got pregnant though no more sex for a long time. It was over a year after our first child was born.
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Post by worksforme2 on Sept 27, 2023 7:26:20 GMT -5
I also remember reading about "greysexual" : someone who can be turned on long enough to procreate, and then be basically asexual showing no need or desire for intercourse again. since we have 2 kids, this is plausible. The more I think about this situation the angrier I get. Years of being refused, thinking I was a bad lover or a bad husband in some way not meeting her needs only to find out it was never a problem with me but she never would outright tell me why she was refusing. It was always one or another excuse. When she told me that she was asexual she was crying a bit and asked " but do you still love me?" I said yes but now I wish I hadn't. Hypothetical.... if I told her I was gay and her touch grossed me out, would she still love me? I'm mad as hell, frustrated and sad but there's nothing I can do short of walking out the door. I can't bring myself to do that yet even though logically I can see that's my best course of action.M76 M76,...You are one of the very few people who actually got a reason for the spouses actions. I had numerous "talks" with my now X about why she acted as she did. But i never got an actual explaination. At best I got her saying she "never thinks about that at all anymore". I attributed this to menopause and lack of hormones. Doesn't matter what the reason is. The result is the same, no intimacy between you. You wish you had not said you still loved her. Was it the truth? If you do still love her there is always time for another talk. This itme trying to see if there is any compromise she is willing to consider. Has she talked to her doctor about hormone replacement therapy? Perhaps if she does not desire PIV you might ask her for a blowjob once a week for the sake of the marriage. Let's see is she cares enough about you and the marriage to do one thing for you. If she refuses then you know her interest is really just having you as a resource and provider, not as a real partner. And if she refuses you might talk to her about having a FWB and a "don't ask, don't tell" arrangement. Her response will also be telling as to how she sees you and the marriage.
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Post by m76 on Sept 27, 2023 7:50:29 GMT -5
since we have 2 kids, this is plausible. The more I think about this situation the angrier I get. Years of being refused, thinking I was a bad lover or a bad husband in some way not meeting her needs only to find out it was never a problem with me but she never would outright tell me why she was refusing. It was always one or another excuse. When she told me that she was asexual she was crying a bit and asked " but do you still love me?" I said yes but now I wish I hadn't. Hypothetical.... if I told her I was gay and her touch grossed me out, would she still love me? I'm mad as hell, frustrated and sad but there's nothing I can do short of walking out the door. I can't bring myself to do that yet even though logically I can see that's my best course of action.M76 M76,...You are one of the very few people who actually got a reason for the spouses actions. I had numerous "talks" with my now X about why she acted as she did. But i never got an actual explaination. At best I got her saying she "never thinks about that at all anymore". I attributed this to menopause and lack of hormones. Doesn't matter what the reason is. The result is the same, no intimacy between you. You wish you had not said you still loved her. Was it the truth? If you do still love her there is always time for another talk. This itme trying to see if there is any compromise she is willing to consider. Has she talked to her doctor about hormone replacement therapy? Perhaps is she does not desire PIV you might ask her for a blowjob once a week for the sake of the marriage. Let's see is she cares enough about you and the marriage to do one thing for you. If she refuses then you know her interest is really just having you as a resource and provider, not as a real partner. And if she refuses you might talk to her about having a FWB and a "don't ask, don't tell" arrangement. Her response will also be telling as to how she sees you and the marriage. In regards to me wishing I didn't say I loved her... I do love her but I was so quick on that reply that she hugged me, rolled over and went to sleep without any follow up conversation. We will be talking more to see if there's a path forward. I'm hoping there's a difference between zero interest in sex and being disgusted by sex.
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Post by toughtiger on Sept 27, 2023 9:21:52 GMT -5
I also remember reading about "greysexual" : someone who can be turned on long enough to procreate, and then be basically asexual showing no need or desire for intercourse again. since we have 2 kids, this is plausible. The more I think about this situation the angrier I get. Years of being refused, thinking I was a bad lover or a bad husband in some way not meeting her needs only to find out it was never a problem with me but she never would outright tell me why she was refusing. It was always one or another excuse. When she told me that she was asexual she was crying a bit and asked " but do you still love me?" I said yes but now I wish I hadn't. Hypothetical.... if I told her I was gay and her touch grossed me out, would she still love me? I'm mad as hell, frustrated and sad but there's nothing I can do short of walking out the door. I can't bring myself to do that yet even though logically I can see that's my best course of action. I think it is good to express your anger here or even to her personally .... you should be mad as hell....I can see why you wish you had not told her you still love her. omitting she had no desire for sex/ only wanted kids maybe ... was using you as a sperm donor was a decades long scam. did she even consider your feelings / your self esteem thinking it was you or something you were not doing? This was saying NOW marriage was all a mirage...... and you are the last to know.... it would be interesting to see how she would feel if situation was reversed.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 28, 2023 8:48:37 GMT -5
In regards to me wishing I didn't say I loved her... I do love her but I was so quick on that reply that she hugged me, rolled over and went to sleep without any follow up conversation.Your wife got exactly what she wanted and you got nothing....You and I sound so similar. I was far to passive, codependent, a " yes dear", full of " happy wife happy life" syndrome. Think of it this way.... Your children are grown and moved out of the house. You see them once a year at Christmas. Do you still love them? Of course you do! Your parents have either passed away or are still around ,but you have moved on independent of them. Do you still love them? Of course you do! Are you involved with them on a daily basis? No. Are you available to serve them, provide for them if they need you? Yes! Same applies with your wife right now. It also sounds like you got DARVO. ( Denial, Avoidance, Reversal, Victim, and Offender) Denial - totally denying the problem, by rolling over and going to sleep,like all is well! Avoidance- avoiding the fact that sex and intimacy is a contract in the marriage that she breaks constantly. Reversal- shifting all the responsibility of excepting everything the way she demands it will be. Victim- crocodile tears, that it's a disease- not her fault, you have to except it or you don't love me! Offender- If you dare speak up about any of your needs being met, well.... now you are being selfish. Oh the double standards! ( that we as men have been groomed to accept) We will be talking more to see if there's a path forward. I'm hoping there's a difference between zero interest in sex and being disgusted by sex.My friend... words without action are , just lies! Are they meaningless? Certainly not! Words do have power and can be a very useful or a very detrimental tool! and words allow the can to be kicked down the road further and further. A few days before pulling the plug ( getting the papers sent for the divorce) I gave my then "w" a choice. I asked for action. I told her " I would like us to have sex once a week" Heck... I didn't even say " you will have sex with me once a week". Once a week was still me giving, daily or every other day is more my need, but after more than a decade you need a new starting point. Her response? "I don't think I'll EVER be ready for that!"My response? "That's what I thought." I'll bet I had a bit of a glad smirk on my face. My brain told me " thank you lord for that 'confirmation'. I needed that to now move forward. A year after my divorce I met a woman who filled my sexual desire beyond what I ever thought I was capable of! Along with a meaningful relationship!
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Post by m76 on Sept 28, 2023 9:15:34 GMT -5
In regards to me wishing I didn't say I loved her... I do love her but I was so quick on that reply that she hugged me, rolled over and went to sleep without any follow up conversation.Your wife got exactly what she wanted and you got nothing....You and I sound so similar. I was far to passive, codependent, a " yes dear", full of " happy wife happy life" syndrome. Think of it this way.... Your children are grown and moved out of the house. You see them once a year at Christmas. Do you still love them? Of course you do! Your parents have either passed away or are still around ,but you have moved on independent of them. Do you still love them? Of course you do! Are you involved with them on a daily basis? No. Are you available to serve them, provide for them if they need you? Yes! Same applies with your wife right now. It also sounds like you got DARVO. ( Denial, Avoidance, Reversal, Victim, and Offender) Denial - totally denying the problem, by rolling over and going to sleep,like all is well! Avoidance- avoiding the fact that sex and intimacy is a contract in the marriage that she breaks constantly. Reversal- shifting all the responsibility of excepting everything the way she demands it will be. Victim- crocodile tears, that it's a disease- not her fault, you have to except it or you don't love me! Offender- If you dare speak up about any of your needs being met, well.... now you are being selfish. Oh the double standards! ( that we as men have been groomed to accept) We will be talking more to see if there's a path forward. I'm hoping there's a difference between zero interest in sex and being disgusted by sex.My friend... words without action are , just lies! Are they meaningless? Certainly not! Words do have power and can be a very useful or a very detrimental tool! and words allow the can to be kicked down the road further and further. A few days before pulling the plug ( getting the papers sent for the divorce) I gave my then "w" a choice. I asked for action. I told her " I would like us to have sex once a week" Heck... I didn't even say " you will have sex with me once a week". Once a week was still me giving, daily or every other day is more my need, but after more than a decade you need a new starting point. Her response? "I don't think I'll EVER be ready for that!"My response? "That's what I thought." I'll bet I had a bit of a glad smirk on my face. My brain told me " thank you lord for that 'confirmation'. I needed that to now move forward. A year after my divorce I met a woman who filled my sexual desire beyond what I ever thought I was capable of! Along with a meaningful relationship! I actually directly asked the question about if sex was disgusting to her or if she was just indifferent. The answer was that she's disgusted by it. So as long as I'm married I'll be celibate. Her councilor is recommending that we work on defining relationship goals and defining what the relationship means to each of us. It seems there really isn't much point in continuing to put any effort into this.
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