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Post by m76 on Sept 11, 2023 14:17:55 GMT -5
Depending on how busy my day is I can forget about my SM. Somedays I'm just focused on other things. But then there are the days where it hits me, and the reality of living SM is all I can think about.
Although I didn't have "the" talk yet, I had a talk about intimacy and wanting to do more with my wife. She took that to mean everything other then sex. We went out kayaking, did a date night with dinner and a movie and started doing yoga classes together. As much as I love doing things with her, the more we do together, the more I'm reminded of that missing piece. However she's perfectly happy with this arrangement of me being her buddy to do stuff with. Obviously this is where communication is key and I can't expect her to read my mind but she must know that something is missing.
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Post by toughtiger on Sept 11, 2023 15:07:01 GMT -5
While we cannot read our mind that is true is is hard to believe she did not get your hopes that couples activities would work towards the main event.
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Post by baza on Sept 11, 2023 20:12:36 GMT -5
Communication is indeed key in these situations. The thing is, communication is not always positive. That doesn't mean it's not valid. Brother m76 's missus seems to be communicating her position very clearly and consistently. The thing is, what she is communicating with her actions is not what Brother m76 wants it to be.
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Post by aquacat on Sept 11, 2023 21:17:01 GMT -5
I feel for ya. I’m my wife’s “buddy” to do things with. I’m married to my best friend but it feels more platonic than any thing since the sexual desire isn’t there.
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Post by worksforme2 on Sept 12, 2023 4:43:33 GMT -5
It almost seems that a woman that has decided on celibacy as the watchword in a relationship also revises how she categorizes her spouse from lover and sexual partner to a much lower status of "best friend" I think this is because she wants to hold tightly to the male who is likely the breadwinner and her financial sponser in life. I'll bet good money that when there is "date night", putt putt, dinner out or whatever the activity might be it is the male spouse that is paying the tab. The shared activity no longer has much of an intimacy component to be found, but is pretty much just two friends sharing an activity they both enjoy. It has no foreplay component to it for the refusing spouse. I often see on dating sites a woman states she is looking for a best friend. That has become a "red flag" of sorts. Few males are looking for a woman to be their best friend, because most men don't think of best friends in a sexual role. I suspect most women don't see their best friend in that role either.
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Post by m76 on Sept 12, 2023 7:41:49 GMT -5
It almost seems that a woman that has decided on celibacy as the watchword in a relationship also revises how she categorizes her spouse from lover and sexual partner to a much lower status of "best friend" I think this is because she wants to hold tightly to the male who is likely the breadwinner and her financial sponser in life. I'll bet good money that when there is "date night", putt putt, dinner out or whatever the activity might be it is the male spouse that is paying the tab. The shared activity no longer has much of an intimacy component to be found, but is pretty much just two friends sharing an activity they both enjoy. It has no foreplay component to it for the refusing spouse. I often see on dating sites a woman states she is looking for a best friend. That has become a "red flag" of sorts. Few males are looking for a woman to be there best friend, because most men don't think of best friends in a sexual role. I suspect most women don't see their best friend in that role either. in this case we both make similar ammounts and finances and debt are equally shared. I do agree that she sees me as a "friend", she's made a comment about me being her favorite person to do stuff with.
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Post by worksforme2 on Sept 12, 2023 8:02:47 GMT -5
in this case we both make similar ammounts and finances and debt are equally shared. I do agree that she sees me as a "friend", she's made a comment about me being her favorite person to do stuff with. Once you are placed in the friend zone it is difficult to get out. I don't recall a single posting here where someone in a SM has said that being a spouses "best friend" has reslted in increased intimacy, or any intimacy at all. greatcoastal has posted a number of times about being friend zoned by his dancing partners. With few exceptions it has taken a dramatic announcement by the refused that a seperation or divorce is coming if things don't change. Announcing that a FWB will soon take the place of the refusing spouse sometimes works, but often the reset is short lived, a few months being the norn, mirrororchid being the exception. Reading here seems to reveal that having "a talk" in which the sexless partner announces they intend to go outside the marriage has worked for a number of the women here. Men seem more inclined to allow this where women seem more likely to oppose it. My X preferred a divorce. So the decision facing you now seems to be do you stay celibate in the marriage or do you look for something somewhere else ?
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Post by h on Sept 21, 2023 11:34:41 GMT -5
It almost seems that a woman that has decided on celibacy as the watchword in a relationship also revises how she categorizes her spouse from lover and sexual partner to a much lower status of "best friend" I think this is because she wants to hold tightly to the male who is likely the breadwinner and her financial sponser in life. I'll bet good money that when there is "date night", putt putt, dinner out or whatever the activity might be it is the male spouse that is paying the tab. The shared activity no longer has much of an intimacy component to be found, but is pretty much just two friends sharing an activity they both enjoy. It has no foreplay component to it for the refusing spouse. I often see on dating sites a woman states she is looking for a best friend. That has become a "red flag" of sorts. Few males are looking for a woman to be there best friend, because most men don't think of best friends in a sexual role. I suspect most women don't see their best friend in that role either. in this case we both make similar ammounts and finances and debt are equally shared. I do agree that she sees me as a "friend", she's made a comment about me being her favorite person to do stuff with. My wife also enjoys doing things with me more than any of her friends. I think she believes that friendship and companionship are enough to qualify as a successful marriage. I have never outright rejected her attempts to spend time together, but I don't initiate anything like this. When I stopped initiating sex, I stopped initiating everything else too.
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Post by m76 on Sept 21, 2023 11:53:52 GMT -5
in this case we both make similar ammounts and finances and debt are equally shared. I do agree that she sees me as a "friend", she's made a comment about me being her favorite person to do stuff with. My wife also enjoys doing things with me more than any of her friends. I think she believes that friendship and companionship are enough to qualify as a successful marriage. I have never outright rejected her attempts to spend time together, but I don't initiate anything like this. When I stopped initiating sex, I stopped initiating everything else too. If you haven't already you need to talk about your feelings on the lack of sex. She may not realize how important the sex is to you. I recently had this conversation with my wife. I'm hoping that now that she knows how important it is, she may make efforts to change her stance on sex. If months go by and there's still no effort on her part to "compromise" as she puts it, I know that from here on out if I stay, it'll be as friends, nothing more.
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Post by h on Sept 21, 2023 12:01:24 GMT -5
My wife also enjoys doing things with me more than any of her friends. I think she believes that friendship and companionship are enough to qualify as a successful marriage. I have never outright rejected her attempts to spend time together, but I don't initiate anything like this. When I stopped initiating sex, I stopped initiating everything else too. If you haven't already you need to talk about your feelings on the lack of sex. She may not realize how important the sex is to you. I recently had this conversation with my wife. I'm hoping that now that she knows how important it is, she may make efforts to change her stance on sex. If months go by and there's still no effort on her part to "compromise" as she puts it, I know that from here on out if I stay, it'll be as friends, nothing more. I already had this talk with her in 2017. She completely refused to see a marriage counselor with me or even read a marriage book with me. She cried. She promised to change. She didn't. She knows my views on sex but I can't make the empty threat of divorce since I'm not ready to follow through on it yet. There's nothing left to talk about because it's either already been said or can't be said yet.
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Post by m76 on Sept 21, 2023 12:07:48 GMT -5
If you haven't already you need to talk about your feelings on the lack of sex. She may not realize how important the sex is to you. I recently had this conversation with my wife. I'm hoping that now that she knows how important it is, she may make efforts to change her stance on sex. If months go by and there's still no effort on her part to "compromise" as she puts it, I know that from here on out if I stay, it'll be as friends, nothing more. I already had this talk with her in 2017. She completely refused to see a marriage counselor with me or even read a marriage book with me. She knows my views on sex but I can't make the empty threat of divorce since I'm not ready to follow through on it yet. There's nothing left to talk about because it's either already been said or can't be said yet. Sorry man. I get that, you likely feel trapped. The only advise I can give is make sure you make time and do things for yourself. I'm a volunteer, I visit my family , I do sports in the evenings and meet some guys on the weekend for games, all this on my own. We still do things together, but I make sure I have stuff that's just for me.
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Post by h on Sept 21, 2023 14:51:27 GMT -5
I already had this talk with her in 2017. She completely refused to see a marriage counselor with me or even read a marriage book with me. She knows my views on sex but I can't make the empty threat of divorce since I'm not ready to follow through on it yet. There's nothing left to talk about because it's either already been said or can't be said yet. Sorry man. I get that, you likely feel trapped. The only advise I can give is make sure you make time and do things for yourself. I'm a volunteer, I visit my family , I do sports in the evenings and meet some guys on the weekend for games, all this on my own. We still do things together, but I make sure I have stuff that's just for me. I have nothing for myself anymore. Any extra time I have usually goes to extra hours at work, house chores, and posting in online forums like this one. I haven't seen any of my friends socially since before COVID and considering they haven't reached out to me even one time, I don't think I'll see them again.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 21, 2023 15:49:34 GMT -5
h "I have nothing for myself anymore. Any extra time I have usually goes to extra hours at work, house chores, and posting in online forums like this one. I haven't seen any of my friends socially since before COVID and considering they haven't reached out to me even one time, I don't think I'll see them again."
Have you reached out to them? Friendship goes both ways. Also, many people stopped socializing due to Covid and may still be getting back into the swing of things.
The time you are spending on on-line forums could be devoted instead to outside activities that allow you to make friends and reconnect with old friends. You don't have to live such a lonely and miserable life.
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Post by h on Sept 21, 2023 16:57:58 GMT -5
h "I have nothing for myself anymore. Any extra time I have usually goes to extra hours at work, house chores, and posting in online forums like this one. I haven't seen any of my friends socially since before COVID and considering they haven't reached out to me even one time, I don't think I'll see them again." Have you reached out to them? Friendship goes both ways. Also, many people stopped socializing due to Covid and may still be getting back into the swing of things. The time you are spending on on-line forums could be devoted instead to outside activities that allow you to make friends and reconnect with old friends. You don't have to live such a lonely and miserable life. I have reached out to them but either never got a response or got excuses why they couldn't do anything. I tried but I'm not going to be the one to chase. I've done enough fruitless chasing in my marriage and I'm not going to chase friends either.
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Post by toughtiger on Sept 21, 2023 21:48:03 GMT -5
I have reached out to them but either never got a response or got excuses why they couldn't do anything. I tried but I'm not going to be the one to chase. I've done enough fruitless chasing in my marriage and I'm not going to chase friends either. it is hard i just spent the day meeting a new friend ... i just am trying to find a friend to do hikes or walks and things my spouse never wants to do. not sure really how this will go but we had a bit in common so at least i have a new person to chat and attend events so my spouse/ roommate doe snot have to even be asked to go
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