maxlonely
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In a desperately lonely relationship..
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Post by maxlonely on Sept 6, 2023 17:11:20 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about your story..
I am going on now 2 years without sex and we dont sleep in the same bedroom at all.
We are essentially divorced but live in the same house.
Our kids have a number of issues that prevent a deeper connection. We are constantly worried about them.
I have had the sex talk with my wife but its clear its the lowest on her priority list. She does not see it as a priority at all
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maxlonely
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Post by maxlonely on Sept 6, 2023 17:13:52 GMT -5
Apocrypha I suspect I am more upset about being denied than I am about the absence of intimacy/sex.I think this is the crux of it all. We might be successful in our work and social lives but we seem to have failed with our personal lives.
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Post by m76 on Sept 6, 2023 18:12:31 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about your story.. I am going on now 2 years without sex and we dont sleep in the same bedroom at all. We are essentially divorced but live in the same house. Our kids have a number of issues that prevent a deeper connection. We are constantly worried about them. I have had the sex talk with my wife but its clear its the lowest on her priority list. She does not see it as a priority at all I don't understand that standpoint on the side of the refuser. Even tasks on the bottom of the to do list eventually get done. And turning it around, there's many things i do for my wife because I know it's something she wants even if I'm indifferent. For example, she wants flowers from time to time. I'm sure there's a deeper psychological reason that even the refuser doesn't understand.
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Post by ironhamster on Sept 6, 2023 18:59:38 GMT -5
Sex may not so much be at the bottom of the list as, on a completely different list. If she wanted to have sex, sex would be on the list of priorities.
Have you ever asked your refusing wife when was the last time she had sex? Refusers might experience sex like a traumatic event, such that it always seems closer in the rear view mirror than it really is, or that the number of times remembered is more than the actual. For example, at the end of my second year of marriage my wife was in denial that there were still ten condoms in the box of twelve that we started the year with.
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Post by h on Sept 6, 2023 22:11:36 GMT -5
Sex may not so much be at the bottom of the list as, on a completely different list. If she wanted to have sex, sex would be on the list of priorities. Have you ever asked your refusing wife when was the last time she had sex? Refusers might experience sex like a traumatic event, such that it always seems closer in the rear view mirror than it really is, or that the number of times remembered is more than the actual. For example, at the end of my second year of marriage my wife was in denial that there were still ten condoms in the box of twelve that we started the year with. This is very true. One time when discussing our lack of sex, my wife mentioned that for a while we were "having sex all the time." What she was referring to was a weekend one summer where we had sex Saturday night and again Sunday morning. What she failed to remember was that it had been two months before that since the previous time, and it was three months after that when the next encounter happened.
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Post by worksforme2 on Sept 7, 2023 8:27:06 GMT -5
Have you ever asked your refusing wife when was the last time she had sex? Refusers might experience sex like a traumatic event, such that it always seems closer in the rear view mirror than it really is, or that the number of times remembered is more than the actual. This is very true. One time when discussing our lack of sex, my wife mentioned that for a while we were "having sex all the time." What she was referring to was a weekend one summer where we had sex Saturday night and again Sunday morning. What she failed to remember was that it had been two months before that since the previous time, and it was three months after that when the next encounter happened. I think this is a defence mechanism in the brain of many refusers. Somewhere in the middle of the "talks" I had with the then W she made a statement that nearly blew me away. She countered my attempt to schedule some intimacy that evening by saying "we just had sex". I had been tracking frequency and type of sex so when we arrived home I showed her my calandar. It showed clearly that the last time we were intimate was over 2 months previously.
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Post by m76 on Sept 7, 2023 9:34:49 GMT -5
This is very true. One time when discussing our lack of sex, my wife mentioned that for a while we were "having sex all the time." What she was referring to was a weekend one summer where we had sex Saturday night and again Sunday morning. What she failed to remember was that it had been two months before that since the previous time, and it was three months after that when the next encounter happened. I think this is a defence mechanism in the brain of many refusers. Somewhere in the middle of the "talks" I had with the then W sha made a statement that nearly blew me away. She countered my attempt to schedule some intimacy that evening by saying "we just had sex". I had been tracking frequency and type of sex so when we arrived home I showed her my calandar. It showed clearly that the last time we were intimate was over 2 months previously. This thread took an interesting turn. That attitude is just like vacuuming for me. I "just did it" but actually a couple of weeks has gone by. So it sounds like even with counciling, sex will always be like an unwanted "chore" for this type of denier. I want, and I think I deserve a person that looks forward to getting busy with me.
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Post by Apocrypha on Sept 7, 2023 10:21:23 GMT -5
I think this is a defence mechanism in the brain of many refusers. Somewhere in the middle of the "talks" I had with the then W sha made a statement that nearly blew me away. She countered my attempt to schedule some intimacy that evening by saying "we just had sex". I had been tracking frequency and type of sex so when we arrived home I showed her my calandar. It showed clearly that the last time we were intimate was over 2 months previously. This thread took an interesting turn. That attitude is just like vacuuming for me. I "just did it" but actually a couple of weeks has gone by. So it sounds like even with counciling, sex will always be like an unwanted "chore" for this type of denier. I want, and I think I deserve a person that looks forward to getting busy with me. It's not "a denier". It is someone who, for reasons, doesn't want to have sex with you. It needn't be a psychological problem on their end and likely isn't. There are a gazillion people who for reasons (they don't know me, aren't attracted to me, dislike me, find something they know about me to be unattractive, don't like the circumstances in which they might have sex with me) don't want to have sex with me. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with them. Similarly, there are people (including my ex-wife) who WERE attracted to me and DID want to have sex with me, but then later on changed their minds about their attraction. I'm sure all of us can forage the corners of our prior or subsequent married lives and think of people where the attraction was lost. Maybe it was when someone yelled at a waitress, or picked a nose, or did something that reminded us of someone we don't like - the mechanism isn't important. What IS important is that it happens all the time, and it doesn't always mean that something's wrong (even if it's a misunderstanding). So if instead of medicalizing it or posing it as "the kind of person someone is", and looking strictly at the behavior, it's not too hard to understand why two consecutive days of sex occurrences in a drought of 5 months might be seen as "all the time". How much sex with someone who you don't want to have sex with feels like "a lot" of sex? How about "any sex at all" - as the number? Yes, there is gaslighting going on - but it's not just directed at the unwillingly celibate. It's a lie to oneself. Far easier on BOTH sides to start with the idea that there's something wrong somehow, rather than the lack of sex being an accurate outcome from the actual sense of antipathy or absence of attraction to one's partner. The latter fact leads to an outcome that's likely divorce, and both sides see it, and both sides become dedicated to maintaining this fiction of a marriage. For the averse partner, the marriage depends on kicking the can down the road and burying their sense of lust - because to explore it would mean cheating. If they don't even let themselves think about that (for the very same reasons you are concerned about preserving the relationship), then it may appear even to them as "not into sex". For the unwillingly celibate partner, the marriage seems to depend on centering on the problem at hand - the lack of sex. And that person pretends that somehow their partner just forgot that they enjoyed sex or that you are mutually attracted, which you are no longer. And so the fantasy of marriage continues, even though it ended years ago.
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Post by Apocrypha on Sept 7, 2023 10:51:17 GMT -5
Once you make them a roommate, you never again ask that question again or even consider it. Mine has been a roommate so long thoughts like that never ever cross my mind anymore. Reminds me of the difference between "I don't have a cigarette" and "I don't smoke."
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Post by gdindy56 on Sept 8, 2023 20:23:08 GMT -5
Going from age 31 to 46 without any sex - I’ve read some stories of women using sex as a weapon but that’s the saddest amount of time.
Friends have all said that if you need to get out, do it by age 50 so you have time to find a new compatible person
I wasn’t told that and missed The window of time
Take advantage of your youth and get out and find a real woman.
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Post by ironhamster on Sept 9, 2023 22:32:40 GMT -5
While I do think youth has its appeal, and try to maintain my youthfulness, unhappiness can be there at any age. I would rather be unhappy and alone than unhappy and with someone that made me feel alone.
One category of communities that tend to have high STD rates are retirement homes. The old folks aren't all settling on just one person to share their lives with.
But, some people do choose to stay, and there may be good reasons for that on one's particular case.
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