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Post by saarinista on Feb 21, 2021 20:07:45 GMT -5
Wearing a mask is such a minor inconvenience. I don't wear one when I'm out running alone or in the house, but I wear one around people not in my pod when I'm inside. It's not at all painful. 😏
Do I long for the day when we can get rid of them? Yes! We all do. But it's usually easier if we follow rules.
I truly don't understand those who object. Maybe passive aggressive?
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Post by Handy on Feb 22, 2021 2:20:55 GMT -5
I just listened to the local medical clinic and did what they advised. Before Covid became an issue, I didn't remember buying an N95 mask, I knew I just the typical wood-working dust mask, so that is what I wore for a while. Then the Clinic required clients to wear the masks the clinic provided and they took everyone's temperature and made everyone use hand sanitizer.
Baza, all of the actions and devices you listed most likely helped to slow down the transmission of the Corona virus.
There is no way to prove Possibly, me masking up achieved absolutely nothing. unless you medically tested all of the air you breathed in the past year. Like you also said, wearing a mask didn't hurt you or most people. I consider wearing a mask a necessary preventative measure and only a minor inconvenience.
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Post by mirrororchid on Feb 24, 2021 19:24:55 GMT -5
My impression of virus transmission comes from my observation of dentists. Dentists don't seem to get colds and flus. They are also trained to not touch their faces. If you touch a surface then, without washing your hands, rub your eye or pick your nose, you just bypassed all the safety a month of mask wearing could give you. One of my local friends is a nurse that deals with covid patients. The last time I saw her, she commented about how all her patients were mask wearers. Now, there is no guarantee, as masks are not 100% protection, but there is reason to question the accepted orthodoxy. Mask wearing prevents spreading if you have COVID. www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-preventDo masks protect the people wearing them or the people around them?
“I think there’s enough evidence to say that the best benefit is for people who have COVID-19 to protect them from giving COVID-19 to other people, but you’re still going to get a benefit from wearing a mask if you don’t have COVID-19,” said Chin-Hong.
Masks may be more effective as a “source control” because they can prevent larger expelled droplets from evaporating into smaller droplets that can travel farther.
Possible self-protection is secondary. Masking's primary function is for asymptomatic people to avoid spreading COVID when out and about and no one knows if they're infected at first. All those COVID patients may have encountered unmasked infected people. They did their part. They ran into someone who didn't. As for dentists, I see mine twice a year. The chances he's ever had a cold for the 100 days in 50 years aren't great. Even if he did, he'd reschedule and I didn't ask why. I think the anti-masking was an ill-advised effort to keep everything open and keep economic activity high. This, in turn, to elevate current leadership under teh impression that "It's the economy, stupid." without wondering if that was always true. I'm pleased that only the biggest Democratic hacks tried to blame Trump for the limping economy and they got precious little traction from the inappropriate charge. There was a lot of stimulus. Trump invoked Keynes big time and I think it was the right call.
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Post by baza on Feb 24, 2021 19:54:58 GMT -5
In my jurisdiction, there has been a surprising side-bar to covid.
And that is that cases of the "usual" seasonal flu dropped off to minuscule levels in 2020.
There's a couple of probable causes .... There is a jab you can get for the "usual" seasonal flu, and maybe a lot more people got the jab in 2020. Other thing is that the stringent lockdowns etc that we had to control the spread of covid worked just as well in minimising the spread of the "usual" seasonal flu.
A further side-bar about pumping squillions of dollars into the economy at times of crisis .....
The Global Financial Crisis in 2008 hit when we had a "left" Government in office under the leadership of Kevin Rudd and throwing squillions at it was the response.
The covid crisis in 2020 hit when we had a "right" Government in office under the leadership of Scott Morrison and throwing squillions of dollars at it was the response.
I'd bet good money that had the "right" been in Government during the 2008 GFC they'd have done exactly what the "left" did. - and - had the "left" been in Government in 2020 for the covid issue, they'd have done exactly what the "right" did.
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Post by saarinista on Feb 24, 2021 21:12:20 GMT -5
baza Having followed Aussie politics fairly closely for several years, my impression is that conservative Australian pols are more like moderate to conservative US liberals. Oz is a more progessive place than the US, from what I've seen.
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Post by ironhamster on Feb 24, 2021 22:01:48 GMT -5
I recall a chorus in the 08-09 timeframe, "We're all Keynesians, now." I respectfully disagreed with the chorus. John Maynard Keynes believed that the government could print money at a rate that gave low inflation which kept money invested instead of stitched into a mattress, but that money printed would eliminate the need for other taxation. The Overton Window has moved so far that, in current economic terms, Keynes and Von Misus are both on the same side.
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Post by ironhamster on Feb 24, 2021 22:12:52 GMT -5
My impression of virus transmission comes from my observation of dentists. Dentists don't seem to get colds and flus. They are also trained to not touch their faces. If you touch a surface then, without washing your hands, rub your eye or pick your nose, you just bypassed all the safety a month of mask wearing could give you. One of my local friends is a nurse that deals with covid patients. The last time I saw her, she commented about how all her patients were mask wearers. Now, there is no guarantee, as masks are not 100% protection, but there is reason to question the accepted orthodoxy. Mask wearing prevents spreading if you have COVID. www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-preventDo masks protect the people wearing them or the people around them?
“I think there’s enough evidence to say that the best benefit is for people who have COVID-19 to protect them from giving COVID-19 to other people, but you’re still going to get a benefit from wearing a mask if you don’t have COVID-19,” said Chin-Hong.
Masks may be more effective as a “source control” because they can prevent larger expelled droplets from evaporating into smaller droplets that can travel farther.
Possible self-protection is secondary. Masking's primary function is for asymptomatic people to avoid spreading COVID when out and about and no one knows if they're infected at first. All those COVID patients may have encountered unmasked infected people. They did their part. They ran into someone who didn't. As for dentists, I see mine twice a year. The chances he's ever had a cold for the 100 days in 50 years aren't great. Even if he did, he'd reschedule and I didn't ask why. I think the anti-masking was an ill-advised effort to keep everything open and keep economic activity high. This, in turn, to elevate current leadership under teh impression that "It's the economy, stupid." without wondering if that was always true. I'm pleased that only the biggest Democratic hacks tried to blame Trump for the limping economy and they got precious little traction from the inappropriate charge. There was a lot of stimulus. Trump invoked Keynes big time and I think it was the right call. I notice the legacy media has a huge double standard regarding who they hold to account and for what. Darn shame, because their attitude is just as bad for society as a nasty virus is to a human body. Regarding masks, since the proof is in the pudding, here is some food for thought. thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/
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Post by baza on Feb 24, 2021 22:17:51 GMT -5
baza Having followed Aussie politics fairly closely for several years, my impression is that conservative Australian pols are more like moderate to conservative US liberals. Oz is a more progessive place than the US, from what I've seen. I have no wish to bad mouth the USA, however from this side of the Pacific it appears that the USA has two parties, one side being the "right" and the other even further "right". OTOH, Americans might look at Australia and reckon our two major parties are the "left" and the even more "left". Edited to add - We - like everywhere else - have the odd zealot who thinks we'd be better being commies, or running by the place as a dictatorship.
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Post by Handy on Feb 25, 2021 1:59:10 GMT -5
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Post by mirrororchid on Feb 25, 2021 5:54:45 GMT -5
I do see much hand-wringing about double standards. A layer of concern to me is that those who invoke it (not you) seem to do so in defense of a weasel. I'd like it made more clear that the solution to this double standard isn't letting both sides off the hook. Apparently, criticism of "the home team" hurts ratings? MSNBC and OAN know who their audience is. Fox, the "far-right network", has even been abandoned by some conservatives when some of the election result fraud allegations were dismissed out of hand. I'm quite pleased when the liberal blogs I read acknowledge a conservative doing something my side likes. Breaks up the tribalism a bit. Maybe that happens on right wing media too? "AOC must have remembered her meds on Thursday because she voted for the balanced budget amendment." or something like that.
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Post by ironhamster on Feb 25, 2021 12:17:17 GMT -5
Never in my life did I see Fox as a far right network. In fact, I always found the label laughable. Fox has had Revolto Ravera on for, what, two decades, and Juan Williams also. Rupert Murdoch was never right wing, but he knew an opportunity when mainstream journalism as a whole sucked. Now, with his sons in charge, I see Fox slipping, and becoming just like the other legacy media outlets.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5
This is really typical of Snopes these days. They report that The Federalist/Globe information was "False" with a big red triangle. Then, in their own write up they state, "It is true that nearly three-quarters of study participants reported that they had worn a mask or cloth face covering while in public in the two weeks preceding their COVID-19 diagnosis." This is the state of journalism in the USA. It is damn difficult to get unspun information from anyone. From my perspective as a right-leaning centrist (I'm a big fan of leaving people alone) FoxNews is exactly where they were when they were founded, right of center. CNN, MSNBC and others have drifted much further left. John F. Kennedy's position aren't recognizable as Democratic (capital D) any longer. Barry Goldwater's positions are still mainstream conservative.
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Post by ironhamster on Feb 25, 2021 14:23:55 GMT -5
Indeed. "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." -JFK
JFK would have felt very comfortable in the Trump administration, vilified by Democrats.
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Post by northstarmom on Feb 25, 2021 14:52:10 GMT -5
Ironhamster: "Indeed. "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." -JFK JFK would have felt very comfortable in the Trump administration, vilified by Democrats." Not true. From Forbes magazine: "An adaptation from White House, Inc: How Donald Trump Turned the Presidency into a Business by Dan Alexander. Donald Trump never really got out of business. Sure, he handed day-to-day management of his companies to his children, like a lot of tycoons who get preoccupied with other interests late in life. But the president held onto ownership of his assets after taking office, ensuring that he would continue to generate money while serving in the White House. From 2017 to 2019, the president’s businesses raked in an estimated $1.9 billion of revenue." www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/11/trumps-businesses-raked-in-19-billion-of-revenue-during-his-first-three-years-in-office/?sh=18fe0a1b1e13JFK quote: “Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one’s own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.” No, JFK would not have felt comfortable in an administration supported by the KKK and Nazis.
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Post by ironhamster on Feb 25, 2021 15:50:54 GMT -5
Ironhamster: "Indeed. "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." -JFK JFK would have felt very comfortable in the Trump administration, vilified by Democrats." Not true. From Forbes magazine: "An adaptation from White House, Inc: How Donald Trump Turned the Presidency into a Business by Dan Alexander. Donald Trump never really got out of business. Sure, he handed day-to-day management of his companies to his children, like a lot of tycoons who get preoccupied with other interests late in life. But the president held onto ownership of his assets after taking office, ensuring that he would continue to generate money while serving in the White House. From 2017 to 2019, the president’s businesses raked in an estimated $1.9 billion of revenue." www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/11/trumps-businesses-raked-in-19-billion-of-revenue-during-his-first-three-years-in-office/?sh=18fe0a1b1e13JFK quote: “Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one’s own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.” No, JFK would not have felt comfortable in an administration supported by the KKK and Nazis. Book deals are great ways to launder money. Obama came into office with very little money, sold out his country, and profited greatly. Hillary Clinton was already selling us out, as evidenced by how the CGI funds dried up as soon as she lost the election that was rigged for her. Trump already had great wealth, and he sacrificed a sizeble portion of his net worth to do more for our country in 48 months than Biden did in 48 years. Your JFK quote backs up my thesis. Under Trump, we had Prison Reform, at least started, and both black and Hispanic unemployment hit record low levels. Trump denounced racism often throughout his Presidency. How odd, the Democrats never face the fact that the Clintons used the CSA flag in their campaigns or that Biden regularly uses recial slurs and his 1994 crime bill specifically targeted black people.
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