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Post by xfoo on Sept 21, 2018 0:56:09 GMT -5
Anybody here have experience with the separate bedrooms in their sexless marriage?
I'm past the point of wanting to change our relationship, but I'm not to the point of ending our marriage.
I don't have any romantic feelings for her anymore. Sleeping with her now just seems... dumb.
She still likes to cuddle, but again it just feels... dumb.
I'm thinking about moving into one of the kids old rooms (or better yet, renovating the garage that no one parks in) once the youngest have moved out.
The obstacles: 1) I think it would devastate her (while I resent her and don't love her I also don't want to have to check her into a psych ward), 2) what to do when the kids visit (our marriage is very much a stay together for the kids marriage)?
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Post by jamesbonding on Sept 21, 2018 2:05:29 GMT -5
When the sexless part of our marriage began, she moved to the guest room. It wasn't my choice.
I enjoy cuddling very much - about as much as I enjoy sex, so I wouldn't normally want to sleep separately. An exception would be if my wife wanted to lecture me for hours when I was trying to sleep.
Have you considered or tried individual or couples therapy or sex therapy to try to resolve the sexless problem with your marriage?
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Post by xfoo on Sept 21, 2018 2:21:50 GMT -5
Yes, we've tried three runs of marriage therapy without effect.
I enjoy cuddling and non-sexual affection as well, just not with her.
I don't love her anymore, but I'm not sure I'll ever be ready to pull the plug on the marriage, so I think I'd just like my own space to be apart from her.
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Post by TheGreatContender -aka Daddeeo on Sept 21, 2018 2:45:16 GMT -5
I think its common. There may be some nuance, like who decides to leave, the refuser or the refused.
Its probably even more common than we would think even among couples who have regular sex or are non sexual, for scheduling or sleep hygiene purposes.
I left to a spare bedroom. I was the refused and it pissed off my wife who likes to cuddle but more likely than not pulls away if I try to go any further.
I sleep much better since I left.
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Post by baza on Sept 21, 2018 4:40:41 GMT -5
You'll see a term - "counter-refusing" used in her sometimes. Nominally, it is where you adopt a position that if you were asked for a root, you would refuse. Basically it is *you* making the choice that there'll be no sex - rather than the refuser spouse forcing that situation on you. The idea is that it puts you back in some measure of control of your sexuality - rather than having it held hostage. Moving out of the bedroom - as posited by Brother xfoo can be part of this "counter-refusing". Thing is, it is a theoretical concept, as the refuser is not offering you sex, so you are usually not in a position to refuse, given they are not offering you anything. But the value of the counter-refusing position is in how it makes you feel. If it gives you some degree of certainty, and/or peace of mind then it has value as a coping measure. Such a move is highly unlikely to have any impact on the trajectory your marriage is on. This measure is all about "you", and taking ownership (of what you can) in the dynamic.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 21, 2018 8:00:26 GMT -5
My parents — who were in a sexless marriage— had separate bedrooms from the time I was about 7 until my dad died some 30 years later. Mom’s explanation was dad snored. We were Catholic. Lots of my Catholic friends’ parents slept separately possibly as their means of birth control.
Several years before I divorced, I moved into a bedroom vacated by one of my adult sons. I did this after my h walked into our bedroom as I changed clothes. He said, “Excuse me,” and walked out. When a son came home for vacation and asked about the bedroom change, I just said that his dad and I were getting older and this arrangement worked for us. Incidentally, I was planning to stay married so the move wasn’t a deliberate step toward divorce. I was happier sleeping separately instead of continuing to sleep with a man who’d literally move away if I touched him while he was sleeping.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 8:32:13 GMT -5
I moved out of the bedroom a few months ago. Since then, wife has completely redecorated her bedroom to her taste and I am still redecorating my new bedroom. I love not having to sleep with the TV on and to be able to get on the computer early in the morning without bothering her.
Sex has returned to our marriage over the past two months, but I'm very happy staying in separate bedrooms. Usually we have sex in her bedroom, occasionally she has surprised me by visiting me in the middle of the night. I have no problem telling the kids that I like sleeping in my own bedroom, but when my kids and their spouses come to sleep over, as they will next week, I will go back to my wife's bedroom so they have a place to sleep comfortably.
My point is that while moving out might be a powerful symbol of a new dynamic within the marriage, it is not necessarily something that is a public statement of pre-separation.
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Post by choosinghappy on Sept 21, 2018 23:04:38 GMT -5
I was a lot happier once I made it known that it was easier for me if he stayed in the spare bedroom and I took the master. It started like that due to sleep schedules and work travel schedules etc but when he asked to come back into the master again I said no. We had already talked many times about how hard the SM was for me so I told him it was too difficult for me with him in the same room since I would feel that disappointment and rejection every single night. I told him it was better for me separate. He couldn’t argue with that. I was already pretty emotionally disconnected from him but making it official like that with us in separate rooms enabled me to fully disconnect from him and also made it easier for me to pursue outsourcing, quite honestly.
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Post by solodriver on Sept 21, 2018 23:59:51 GMT -5
My refuser and I have been sleeping in separate bedrooms for at least a year now. I got tired of getting yelled at because if I touched her, even inadvertently, she would complain that she couldn't get back to sleep. Then I started sleeping towards the other side of the bed and she starting getting mad because she said I was pulling the sheets and blankets off her.
I'd had enough and first slept on the couch and then in the other bedroom. So she has the master bedroom and I sleep in the spare. Actually I sleep a lot better because she snored very loudly and I don't hear that now. I can set the fan for me and not have to worry about her complaining about that. And I can take care of myself when I feel the need without disturbing her.
We've talked many times about how very unhappy I am in our relationship. At least now I no longer feel the utter rejection I would get from just being in bed with her and knowing I couldn't even touch her. It's also helped me be more emotionally disconnected. It truly feels like a roommate situation at this point.
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Post by xfoo on Sept 22, 2018 2:14:07 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replies. Wow Shynjdude, what a change! A midnight visit from a lover down the hall sounds hot!
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Post by h on Sept 22, 2018 5:21:47 GMT -5
I'm not there yet as there is still some semblance of effort in our marriage, but if it comes to a point where her effort fades away and it is clear that it was all a reset, then I think that I will move into the spare bedroom until we split up. I wouldn't move out of the bedroom if there was any hope of fixing the marriage. To me, that would be my admission that hope was gone. That's just my thought on it though.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 22, 2018 11:16:56 GMT -5
Here's a little different perspective. You are already in separate rooms, mentally. So physically moving, most likely won't put a dent in her behavior and thinking. However for you it's action. That can help you in your future decisions. A conformation, something more solid and tangible to work with, as you move forward in your journey.
I remember when I decided to stop any physical contact. No more accepting a crumb, or being allowed to only give crumbs.My knees where hanging off the bed. I slept in a fetal position. I stayed in bed,always facing away from the closet where she got dressed ( record time, 30 seconds) I used the bathroom when she was eating breakfast or after she left.
Then, on her own she moved into our backroom. Maybe a little different from others experiences. Our backroom was a enclosed back porch. Not many walls. Mostly sliding glass doors. This meant EVERYONE in the house got to see it and experience it. It gave her a "guard posted view,over the whole family". More power and control.
More of a "look what I go through, poor pitiful me. Look what a selfish ,bad,angry person your father is". Did she respect my boundaries? Of course not! My closed door meant she could blast her way in anytime, and as often as she pleased. She HAD TO USE THAT BATHROOM! Never mind we had three more.
So was it better? Yes and no. Seperate rooms can also be used as a weapon. Just sayin' and sharing an experience.
Good news! I made it! Things do and can get better.
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Post by h on Sept 22, 2018 13:40:49 GMT -5
Here's a little different perspective. You are already in separate rooms, mentally. So physically moving, most likely won't put a dent in her behavior and thinking. However for you it's action. That can help you in your future decisions. A conformation, something more solid and tangible to work with, as you move forward in your journey. I remember when I decided to stop any physical contact. No more accepting a crumb, or being allowed to only give crumbs.My knees where hanging off the bed. I slept in a fetal position. I stayed in bed,always facing away from the closet where she got dressed ( record time, 30 seconds) I used the bathroom when she was eating breakfast or after she left. Then, on her own she moved into our backroom. Maybe a little different from others experiences. Our backroom was a enclosed back porch. Not many walls. Mostly sliding glass doors. This meant EVERYONE in the house got to see it and experience it. It gave her a "guard posted view,over the whole family". More power and control. More of a "look what I go through, poor pitiful me. Look what a selfish ,bad,angry person your father is". Did she respect my boundaries? Of course not! My closed door meant she could blast her way in anytime, and as often as she pleased. She HAD TO USE THAT BATHROOM! Never mind we had three more. So was it better? Yes and no. Seperate rooms can also be used as a weapon. Just sayin' and sharing an experience. Good news! I made it! Things do and can get better. For my situation, it would make a HUGE impact on my W's behavior and attitude. In her mind, even when we were in a dry spell of several months, we were still "in the same bedroom" so just being there was enough for her. Me moving to a separate bedroom would be equally hurtful to her as me telling her that I was shopping for divorce lawyers. I think that for many refusers, the image that everything is going well is what they like to maintain. Sleeping in separate bedrooms is a very visible and obvious sign that things are not going well. If it looks good to the outside world (friends, family, etc.) then it's good enough. The facade of the perfect life is preferable to the ugliness of honesty. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my understanding.
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Post by greatcoastal on Sept 22, 2018 14:06:16 GMT -5
Here's a little different perspective. You are already in separate rooms, mentally. So physically moving, most likely won't put a dent in her behavior and thinking. However for you it's action. That can help you in your future decisions. A conformation, something more solid and tangible to work with, as you move forward in your journey. I remember when I decided to stop any physical contact. No more accepting a crumb, or being allowed to only give crumbs.My knees where hanging off the bed. I slept in a fetal position. I stayed in bed,always facing away from the closet where she got dressed ( record time, 30 seconds) I used the bathroom when she was eating breakfast or after she left. Then, on her own she moved into our backroom. Maybe a little different from others experiences. Our backroom was a enclosed back porch. Not many walls. Mostly sliding glass doors. This meant EVERYONE in the house got to see it and experience it. It gave her a "guard posted view,over the whole family". More power and control. More of a "look what I go through, poor pitiful me. Look what a selfish ,bad,angry person your father is". Did she respect my boundaries? Of course not! My closed door meant she could blast her way in anytime, and as often as she pleased. She HAD TO USE THAT BATHROOM! Never mind we had three more. So was it better? Yes and no. Seperate rooms can also be used as a weapon. Just sayin' and sharing an experience. Good news! I made it! Things do and can get better. For my situation, it would make a HUGE impact on my W's behavior and attitude. In her mind, even when we were in a dry spell of several months, we were still "in the same bedroom" so just being there was enough for her. Me moving to a separate bedroom would be equally hurtful to her as me telling her that I was shopping for divorce lawyers. I think that for many refusers, the image that everything is going well is what they like to maintain. Sleeping in separate bedrooms is a very visible and obvious sign that things are not going well. If it looks good to the outside world (friends, family, etc.) then it's good enough. The facade of the perfect life is preferable to the ugliness of honesty. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my understanding. Great point my friend! In my case my now ex just reversed things,again. " your father has difficulty sleeping with my snoring". Another half truth. She ended up having a breathing machine attached to her nose, it would come loose several times in the night,among countless 'other reasons' that never would be discussed. But once again " zero trust, more of her not being accountable at all for her attitude and actions" Very big on keeping up the image, not dropping the fake mask.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 22:48:54 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replies. Wow Shynjdude, what a change! A midnight visit from a lover down the hall sounds hot! I gotta admit - it is!
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