omixochitl
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Post by omixochitl on May 20, 2016 6:13:10 GMT -5
So I have to deal with this summer's plans. You are going to laugh and shake your head at some of this. We have a friend that lives in a beautiful rural area and last summer we set up a semi permanent tent in his yard as we spend a lot of time at a secluded lake out there (with him as the third wheel). I really like this guy, he's a friend of my husband who has become a friend of mine. He's a permanent bachelor with his own intimacy issues. So being the hopeless romantic (new energy behind that definition for us), I bought a new deluxe tent, 10x10 footprint and 7 feet tall and installed a real bed in it (futon)! Can you believe this shit? So that's hanging over my detachment plans.
Then I booked 2 long weekends at a very sweet lakefront cottage for both 4th of July and Labor Day, 4 nights each.
Then! I booked our first 2 week long summer getaway to Downeast Maine, again in 2 different super romantic locations, one is waterfront in Harrington, Maine without electricity and a well for water (that might not sound romantic to you all, but we love this sort of place), No neighbors.
All these romantic stage sets, waiting for the actors who don't know, remember or care about the script.
So....we go as room mates, with my detachment firmly in place? I am at a loss.
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omixochitl
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Post by omixochitl on May 20, 2016 6:16:19 GMT -5
P.S. a little accountability here, I am doing very well at my detachment so far, taking each day one at a time. He is constantly emotionally resetting, he truly can't believe that I am not fighting anymore. he is pretending that everything is the same. I am really discovering what being the refuser feels like. It's a form of power that is sickening and primitive and dead. And I definitely am not attached to that, it just can't help but be noticed when you are actually refusing somebody. It's very much against my nature and grain.
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Post by samedeepwater on May 20, 2016 6:41:07 GMT -5
Ok. I'm not the brightest bulb in the four pack, but you kinda lost me along the way. Who exactly are you hoping will slip into the futon with you? Is it intimacy-issue-3rd wheel guy, the man you're currently spending your sexless marriage with, or some yet to be determined guy from the campsite next door?
And have you ever slept on a futon? I think I'd rather see you take him right there on the floor of the tent with a tree root poking you in the back.
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omixochitl
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“They should tell you when you’re born: have a suitcase heart, be ready to travel.” ― Gabrielle Zevi
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Post by omixochitl on May 20, 2016 6:51:27 GMT -5
Uh NOOOOOO
I planned this all, before my tipping point was reached about one week ago. I wasn't detached when I did all of this planning. 3rd wheel guy, is a good friend. I would NEVER change that definition into lover. and it's not a campsite. It's a rural property that our friend owns.
I guess I was just trying to point out how deluded I have been. Sadly...
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Post by baza on May 20, 2016 6:56:32 GMT -5
Earlier posts read like you are attempting to run a detachment strategy. This one though, seems to head off at 180 degrees to that. Indeed, it looks like a scented candles strategy.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 8:42:04 GMT -5
It's OK, omixochitl, I've been deluded too. Your trip sounds RIGHT up my alley! Glamping? Check! Seclusion? Check! Off the grid? Check! And since it's already planned, enjoy it. If anything, I'm thinking it might provide a nice challenge in which to test your newfound detachment. Nothing like isolating with a bastard to test the waters (oh dear, I'm not trying to presume - just trying to unleash the inner bitch in me and yeah, projecting my bastard onto your life, hahaha). Go as roommates. Sounds like close quarters might prevent intimacy anyway. Make it a romantic getaway for you, yourself, and you. Connect with yourself, connect with nature, enjoy the water element - so sensual, stare at the night sky and lose yourself in the universe. Fuck the bastard (or don't, yeah - that). Pardon my French today. It gets the best of me sometimes.
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Post by wewbwb on May 20, 2016 9:09:08 GMT -5
Ok. I'm not the brightest bulb in the four pack, but you kinda lost me along the way. Who exactly are you hoping will slip into the futon with you? Is it intimacy-issue-3rd wheel guy, the man you're currently spending your sexless marriage with, or some yet to be determined guy from the campsite next door? And have you ever slept on a futon? I think I'd rather see you take him right there on the floor of the tent with a tree root poking you in the back. THAT'S NO TREE ROOT!
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omixochitl
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Post by omixochitl on May 20, 2016 9:41:51 GMT -5
@elle you truly "get it". Thank you.
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Post by samedeepwater on May 20, 2016 10:09:10 GMT -5
Ok. I'm not the brightest bulb in the four pack, but you kinda lost me along the way. Who exactly are you hoping will slip into the futon with you? Is it intimacy-issue-3rd wheel guy, the man you're currently spending your sexless marriage with, or some yet to be determined guy from the campsite next door? And have you ever slept on a futon? I think I'd rather see you take him right there on the floor of the tent with a tree root poking you in the back. THAT'S NO TREE ROOT! Word.
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Post by itsjustus on May 20, 2016 15:21:52 GMT -5
P.S. a little accountability here, I am doing very well at my detachment so far, taking each day one at a time. He is constantly emotionally resetting, he truly can't believe that I am not fighting anymore. he is pretending that everything is the same. I am really discovering what being the refuser feels like. It's a form of power that is sickening and primitive and dead. And I definitely am not attached to that, it just can't help but be noticed when you are actually refusing somebody. It's very much against my nature and grain. I very much understand it being against your nature and grain. Your words that it's a form of power, that it's sickening, primitive and a dead feeling. I don't think I could do it, I just don't. Not necessarily sexually refusing, but the concept of having a detached, an almost contemptuous view of someone. It has to be a very foreign feeling to you.
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Post by itsjustus on May 20, 2016 15:29:36 GMT -5
It actually sounds like a fantastic summer schedule!!! My favorite kind. Even with him along, it's got to be exciting to think of getting away like that!! I was able to get away to a secluded old farm for a week in the Allegheny mountains last year, and I enjoyed it tremendously. While I had a lady friend along that helped..... sitting peacefully and just enjoying the quiet was a wonderful experience. The serenity of it calmed me. Completely off the grid. I look forward to doing such trips again in the future, unfortunately without that friend, but I'm looking for a travel agent to set it all up!! You're hired!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 21:16:29 GMT -5
@elle you truly "get it". Thank you. Girl, I feel your pain. Wish neither one of us was in this crappy old boat though.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 22:59:11 GMT -5
If you've already made reservations, paid money, etc. - you might as well go on the trips, but don't delude yourself that anything sexual or romantic is going to happen. Just look for all the other good things about the trips that you can enjoy, that are not dependent on him.
Two and a half years ago, I went to the Bahamas with my refuser; and everybody scolded me about it. And it was true that I could have done more things and explored more without him there. But I had made up my mind to enjoy the trip no matter what - and I did.
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Post by sand5280 on May 21, 2016 2:43:52 GMT -5
So I have to deal with this summer's plans. So....we go as room mates, with my detachment firmly in place? I am at a loss. I have never done the glamping thing, but I have incredible experiences and fond memories of wilderness escape all over Michigan Upper Peninsula. I am in love with Lake Superior and have footprints dissolved all over Isle Royale. I don't know if nowadays I could carry 60 pounds for a week, and my expedition partner is gone. Important to me was pointed out by @elle to become one with your surroundings. I want to see nothing but trees, lakes, animals. I want to hear nothing but leaves, birds, waves. On trips alone for a week this was easy. With my friend it was also easy, we were both 'alone' but someone was nearby, this being essential safety-wise on island. Enough goosebumps. This becomes difficult in your plan. While complete silence may not be your thing, you will be in a difficult situation because hubby will be there. I have learned some of your story, enough to know there is tension. What can happen often on a vacation is it is expected to be perfect, and the answer to all of your problems. This does not happen, never ever, wherever you go, there you are. And so is he. Add to this that familiarity breeds contempt. I know I'm painting a dismal picture, but if some things are put into it, everything could actually be rather enjoyable. I would suggest for one, the obvious for anyone spending time outside, expect rain. This is where your huge tent and deck of cards come in. Have lots of backup plans in case original plans cannot work. I would keep myself somewhat detached, word being used often, so that you can benefit and immerse yourself in your surroundings, and have a pleasurable experience with your environment. As @smartkat says: I would not expect that futon to be messed up with a night of hot sex. Rather it will be a different bed for you for a few nights, you appreciate your own upon arrival home. Stranger things have happened, sometimes a different scene promotes the futon festivity. But I would get in there expecting a good night sleep. If not, it's a sudden surprise. Depending on your method of vacation, I find it best to have somewhat of a plan for the day. Deciding what to do at the moment usually does not work out. In this case if there are two strong desires to do different things, here comes the argument. I am not sure how the third wheel guy fits in, except thank goodness you have ruled him out as a futon frolic participant. Quite enough rambling for now. But go into it knowing you will have fun with your room mate, you are more likely to.
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Post by tamara68 on May 21, 2016 3:48:22 GMT -5
1989 was the first and last holiday with my husband. I hope to go on holidays when I get out of this enclosure. I don't need anything extravagant, any nice place will do.
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