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Post by shamwow on Sept 6, 2017 14:03:14 GMT -5
Actually, I think that you guys might actually be OK. Most of the marriages here have just about zero communication and what there is happens to be negative. It should as though you guys have a "don't ask don't tell" policy that you haven't wanted to go through with. Not exactly an open marriage, but more of a tacit understanding that you may or may not take care of your needs outside the marriage, but he just doesn't want to know. Is that about it? If so, bballgirl might be able to give you some pointers on that from her SM. Ha! I was typing before you tagged me. Lol Great minds!! Is it just me, or have you and I done this "tag team" before? I think we may have or I'm just feeling deja vu.
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Post by shamwow on Sept 6, 2017 14:09:50 GMT -5
I'm with shamwow in regards to your H being selfish about your human needs and his issues with a fwb. Here's the thing - if his back was itchy and needed scratched, how would he like it if you refused? And that's a mild scenario compared to living a sexless life. I remember a long time ago wanting a cleaning lady. My husband said "no", he didn't want a stranger in the house. So then our first child was born and I fell behind on my housework (I did everything). So he said to me - "the floor could use a mopping". I replied "so mop it". He countered with "maybe we should get a cleaning lady" and I had permission to outsource cleaning. Here's my point: I understand your husband has medical issues and he doesn't feel like having sex BUT if I were you I would say it to him like this. "I understand that you are asexual and your penis doesn't work however I can not remain celibate I need you to at least eat my pussy and service me even with a dildo at least once a week". My bet is it would be like a chore to him and he might be ok with the idea of a fwb so he doesn't have to do that for you. And not for nothing but if he can't stir the peanut butter jar he can still lick it! So maybe a little reverse psychology might get him to buy into a fwb situation. There are different kinds of love and sometimes we need to get them from different sources. I'd omit the part about the penis not working. If it really doesn't work because of medical issues, it is kind of implied, and don't think the explicit rubbing of his face in it would be productive. However...I 100% percent agree with the reverse psychology here. You will find out whether he truly wants you to be happy or not pretty darn quick. And the nice thing about a FWB is that it would be someone you would regularly go to, minimizing (although not eliminating) fears of diseases. The tough part there, from what I understand, is not becoming too emotionally attached with the FWB. My ex had a "medical condition" that caused inserting a q-tip to cause excruciating pain (it's a mystery how she got through her yearly OBGYN visit for 20 years). Apparently, the mystery condition also affected her mouth and hands as well. I decided to forgo the whole outsourcing thing and finally called it quits. I cannot tell you how much I wish I'd done it before I'd pissed away 20 years of my life on her.
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Post by TheGreatContender -aka Daddeeo on Sept 6, 2017 14:10:23 GMT -5
pixie Thanks for posting your story. You have received some great feedback here that I believe is spot on. Im hopeful it has given you some things to think about. I agree with most of what shamwow says below except the great marriage part. No marriage is truly great given the compromises that have to be made but some come close. I would offer that there is a possibility (albeit remote perhaps) yours can come close if you choose to opt out of sex altogether and base your relationship on other forms of intimacy that you already have. It sounds like you are almost there. I have seen couples that mutually choose to forgo sex (as hard as it is for many of us to believe). But forgoing sex is a highly personal decision that should not be taken lightly. So that might be an option you could consider if you have not already. The other thing that stands out that I have not seen anyone mention is the asexuality. Is this a case where he knew he was asexual before he met you and did not disclose? It seems that way given that its rare to get that late into life without understanding their sexuality. There is nothing wrong with asexuality per se, to each his own. But not disclosing it to a potential partner is a big no no in my opinion (aka bait and switch) If he did discover the asexuality after you got married, then if in your shoes, I would re-assess what I thought I was getting into. If I entered marriage thinking that I was with someone who was not asexual, but it turns out he is, then it would void the basis I had for deciding to enter the marriage in the first place. Now it might turn out that you are ok with his being asexual and you can adapt. Problem solved. A further point to consider is whether you are high libido or low libido. It might not factor in, but I think if you are low libido, the chances of you adapting to a non-sexual, but nonetheless intimate marriage, are pretty good. If you are high libido, then I think its just a matter of time before you start figuring out what outsourcing looks like for you. I don't believe anybody starts out wanting to commit infidelity, but physical needs have a way of forcing compromises. I dont intend for this feedback to come off the wrong way, so I hope its not offensive to you. But hopefully it gives you some more ideas to mull over as you seek clarity and peace for your SM. Divorce is out of the question for now. I cannot afford to divorce him, I have more to lose. Outside of the bedroom we still enjoy a lot of the same things together, we are similar in a lot of ways. Financially, it will be difficult. I am not good with money, if we divorce I can blow my savings in a year. Open marriage is out of the question because it's not something for us. We discussed it and we couldn't imagine ourselves in it. He said he doesn't have a need for it. I am the only one who wants sex, so if ever, perhaps outsourcing will be my choice of poison. But i don' know. I get it on the financial side. Usually (but not always) the wife takes it to the chin in a divorce. In my case, my ex-wife did walk away with a boatload of cash, but I'm pretty sure she will piss it away within a few years. She does have a few virtues, but thrift is not one of them. In your case, it seems that it might be a great idea to get finances in order on general principles. That way, you have a bigger nest egg together. Whether this is egg is to be split in case of divorce or just to have as a rainy day fund, it is still a good idea. I find your answer on open marriage to be interesting, though. He doesn't have a need for it but you do, so his need for your fidelity trumps your need as a human being. And make no mistake, these are needs, not wants or you wouldn't be considering outsourcing. Most stories that come here start as yours does. Everything is great except the sex. But you have someone who professes to love you and want to spend the rest of his life with you, but actively denies you something that you need. If he cared about you, he'd acquiesce to a FWB. My guess is that there are other chinks in the armor of the marriage. "Everything is great except the sex" usually doesn't stand up under scrutiny. Hell most marriages aren't "great" even with the sex. Marriage is hard work. It requires heavy lifting from both parties to actually live the vows that were made. And "to have and to hold" is one of the key principles. One other thing. You said you haven't had sex in the 7 years you've been married? If that's true, then you could actually get the marriage annulled. Not sure if that's better or worse than a divorce, but it is an option. But if it is true, then it is a blinking red light saying that you don't have a "great" marriage. You have a great friendship and roommate situation, perhaps. But marriage? Nope.
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Post by pixie on Sept 6, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -5
I'm with shamwow in regards to your H being selfish about your human needs and his issues with a fwb. Here's the thing - if his back was itchy and needed scratched, how would he like it if you refused? And that's a mild scenario compared to living a sexless life. I remember a long time ago wanting a cleaning lady. My husband said "no", he didn't want a stranger in the house. So then our first child was born and I fell behind on my housework (I did everything). So he said to me - "the floor could use a mopping". I replied "so mop it". He countered with "maybe we should get a cleaning lady" and I had permission to outsource cleaning. Here's my point: I understand your husband has medical issues and he doesn't feel like having sex BUT if I were you I would say it to him like this. "I understand that you are asexual and your penis doesn't work however I can not remain celibate I need you to at least eat my pussy and service me even with a dildo at least once a week". My bet is it would be like a chore to him and he might be ok with the idea of a fwb so he doesn't have to do that for you. And not for nothing but if he can't stir the peanut butter jar he can still lick it! So maybe a little reverse psychology might get him to buy into a fwb situation. There are different kinds of love and sometimes we need to get them from different sources. It's my decision too not to engage in FWB or anything like that. I'd rather do it with a stranger, no strings attached, if ever. H and I had spoken about my needs not as graphic and belligerent as what you had written though. 😊
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Post by TheGreatContender -aka Daddeeo on Sept 6, 2017 14:16:14 GMT -5
bballgirl...ahhhh a girl after my own heart. Carry on. "I understand that you are asexual and your penis doesn't work however I can not remain celibate I need you to at least eat my pussy and service me even with a dildo at least once a week". My bet is it would be like a chore to him and he might be ok with the idea of a fwb so he doesn't have to do that for you. And not for nothing but if he can't stir the peanut butter jar he can still lick it!
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Post by bballgirl on Sept 6, 2017 14:24:15 GMT -5
bballgirl...ahhhh a girl after my own heart. Carry on. "I understand that you are asexual and your penis doesn't work however I can not remain celibate I need you to at least eat my pussy and service me even with a dildo at least once a week". My bet is it would be like a chore to him and he might be ok with the idea of a fwb so he doesn't have to do that for you. And not for nothing but if he can't stir the peanut butter jar he can still lick it! Yeah I just don't have time for not going after what I want for myself anymore, and that is sex. I refuse to be celibate ever again. I'm actually still thinking about going back with my ex husband and try again to get back to a point of affection with him allowing me to be in an open relationship with a fwb.
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Post by shamwow on Sept 6, 2017 14:29:14 GMT -5
bballgirl ...ahhhh a girl after my own heart. Carry on. Yeah I just don't have time for not going after what I want for myself anymore, and that is sex. I refuse to be celibate ever again. I'm actually still thinking about going back with my ex husband and try again to get back to a point of affection with him allowing me to be in an open relationship with a fwb. Can I write the screenplay for the movie? I promise I can be snarky enough.
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Post by pixie on Sept 6, 2017 14:49:03 GMT -5
I'm with shamwow in regards to your H being selfish about your human needs and his issues with a fwb. Here's the thing - if his back was itchy and needed scratched, how would he like it if you refused? And that's a mild scenario compared to living a sexless life. I remember a long time ago wanting a cleaning lady. My husband said "no", he didn't want a stranger in the house. So then our first child was born and I fell behind on my housework (I did everything). So he said to me - "the floor could use a mopping". I replied "so mop it". He countered with "maybe we should get a cleaning lady" and I had permission to outsource cleaning. Here's my point: I understand your husband has medical issues and he doesn't feel like having sex BUT if I were you I would say it to him like this. "I understand that you are asexual and your penis doesn't work however I can not remain celibate I need you to at least eat my pussy and service me even with a dildo at least once a week". My bet is it would be like a chore to him and he might be ok with the idea of a fwb so he doesn't have to do that for you. And not for nothing but if he can't stir the peanut butter jar he can still lick it! So maybe a little reverse psychology might get him to buy into a fwb situation. There are different kinds of love and sometimes we need to get them from different sources. I'd omit the part about the penis not working. If it really doesn't work because of medical issues, it is kind of implied, and don't think the explicit rubbing of his face in it would be productive. However...I 100% percent agree with the reverse psychology here. You will find out whether he truly wants you to be happy or not pretty darn quick. And the nice thing about a FWB is that it would be someone you would regularly go to, minimizing (although not eliminating) fears of diseases. The tough part there, from what I understand, is not becoming too emotionally attached with the FWB. My ex had a "medical condition" that caused inserting a q-tip to cause excruciating pain (it's a mystery how she got through her yearly OBGYN visit for 20 years). Apparently, the mystery condition also affected her mouth and hands as well. I decided to forgo the whole outsourcing thing and finally called it quits. I cannot tell you how much I wish I'd done it before I'd pissed away 20 years of my life on her. No FWB for me. I don't like the idea of doing it with a friend too much complications even if it's probably a safer option.
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Post by bballgirl on Sept 6, 2017 14:52:09 GMT -5
Yeah I just don't have time for not going after what I want for myself anymore, and that is sex. I refuse to be celibate ever again. I'm actually still thinking about going back with my ex husband and try again to get back to a point of affection with him allowing me to be in an open relationship with a fwb. Can I write the screenplay for the movie? I promise I can be snarky enough. Between my marriage, dating stories, fwb, my career, etc - trust me I have plenty of material lol
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Post by bballgirl on Sept 6, 2017 14:54:59 GMT -5
I'd omit the part about the penis not working. If it really doesn't work because of medical issues, it is kind of implied, and don't think the explicit rubbing of his face in it would be productive. However...I 100% percent agree with the reverse psychology here. You will find out whether he truly wants you to be happy or not pretty darn quick. And the nice thing about a FWB is that it would be someone you would regularly go to, minimizing (although not eliminating) fears of diseases. The tough part there, from what I understand, is not becoming too emotionally attached with the FWB. My ex had a "medical condition" that caused inserting a q-tip to cause excruciating pain (it's a mystery how she got through her yearly OBGYN visit for 20 years). Apparently, the mystery condition also affected her mouth and hands as well. I decided to forgo the whole outsourcing thing and finally called it quits. I cannot tell you how much I wish I'd done it before I'd pissed away 20 years of my life on her. No FWB for me. I don't like the idea of doing it with a friend too much complications even if it's probably a safer option. Mine started with a stranger. He is now a fwb. It's evolved and there is trust, honesty, and friendship.
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Post by pixie on Sept 6, 2017 14:59:16 GMT -5
pixie Thanks for posting your story. You have received some great feedback here that I believe is spot on. Im hopeful it has given you some things to think about. I agree with most of what shamwow says below except the great marriage part. No marriage is truly great given the compromises that have to be made but some come close. I would offer that there is a possibility (albeit remote perhaps) yours can come close if you choose to opt out of sex altogether and base your relationship on other forms of intimacy that you already have. It sounds like you are almost there. I have seen couples that mutually choose to forgo sex (as hard as it is for many of us to believe). But forgoing sex is a highly personal decision that should not be taken lightly. So that might be an option you could consider if you have not already. Nothing comes easy and I wouldn't be surprised if eventually, that will be the path I'd choose. As for now we enjoy the other forms of intimacy. I take it a day at a time.The other thing that stands out that I have not seen anyone mention is the asexuality. Is this a case where he knew he was asexual before he met you and did not disclose? It seems that way given that its rare to get that late into life without understanding their sexuality. There is nothing wrong with asexuality per se, to each his own. But not disclosing it to a potential partner is a big no no in my opinion (aka bait and switch) The medical issues were there before we met and was disclosed to me prior to marriage. He thought it was the medication. Asexuality during marriage.If he did discover the asexuality after you got married, then if in your shoes, I would re-assess what I thought I was getting into. If I entered marriage thinking that I was with someone who was not asexual, but it turns out he is, then it would void the basis I had for deciding to enter the marriage in the first place. Now it might turn out that you are ok with his being asexual and you can adapt. Problem solved. A further point to consider is whether you are high libido or low libido. It might not factor in, but I think if you are low libido, the chances of you adapting to a non-sexual, but nonetheless intimate marriage, are pretty good. If you are high libido, then I think its just a matter of time before you start figuring out what outsourcing looks like for you. I don't believe anybody starts out wanting to commit infidelity, but physical needs have a way of forcing compromises. Average libido. Nothing out of the ordinary.I dont intend for this feedback to come off the wrong way, so I hope its not offensive to you. But hopefully it gives you some more ideas to mull over as you seek clarity and peace for your SM. Not at all. Feedback appreciated.I get it on the financial side. Usually (but not always) the wife takes it to the chin in a divorce. In my case, my ex-wife did walk away with a boatload of cash, but I'm pretty sure she will piss it away within a few years. She does have a few virtues, but thrift is not one of them. In your case, it seems that it might be a great idea to get finances in order on general principles. That way, you have a bigger nest egg together. Whether this is egg is to be split in case of divorce or just to have as a rainy day fund, it is still a good idea. I find your answer on open marriage to be interesting, though. He doesn't have a need for it but you do, so his need for your fidelity trumps your need as a human being. And make no mistake, these are needs, not wants or you wouldn't be considering outsourcing. Most stories that come here start as yours does. Everything is great except the sex. But you have someone who professes to love you and want to spend the rest of his life with you, but actively denies you something that you need. If he cared about you, he'd acquiesce to a FWB. My guess is that there are other chinks in the armor of the marriage. "Everything is great except the sex" usually doesn't stand up under scrutiny. Hell most marriages aren't "great" even with the sex. Marriage is hard work. It requires heavy lifting from both parties to actually live the vows that were made. And "to have and to hold" is one of the key principles. One other thing. You said you haven't had sex in the 7 years you've been married? If that's true, then you could actually get the marriage annulled. Not sure if that's better or worse than a divorce, but it is an option. But if it is true, then it is a blinking red light saying that you don't have a "great" marriage. You have a great friendship and roommate situation, perhaps. But marriage? Nope.
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Post by shamwow on Sept 6, 2017 15:00:12 GMT -5
Can I write the screenplay for the movie? I promise I can be snarky enough. Between my marriage, dating stories, fwb, my career, etc - trust me I have plenty of material lol True...sounds more like a sitcom.
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Post by bballgirl on Sept 6, 2017 15:07:06 GMT -5
Between my marriage, dating stories, fwb, my career, etc - trust me I have plenty of material lol True...sounds more like a sitcom. Realistically it would be a great reality tv show! I even have a name: Baseball Moms lol - the kids activities being a small segment of the show of course lol I'd probably lose my job though so no go!
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Post by TheGreatContender -aka Daddeeo on Sept 6, 2017 15:10:22 GMT -5
As much as I would love to see this show, you two troublemakers need to knock it off on hijacking pixie's thread ;-P <adjusts debbie downer uniform> True...sounds more like a sitcom. Realistically it would be a great reality tv show! I even have a name: Baseball Moms lol - the kids activities being a small segment of the show of course lol I'd probably lose my job though so no go!
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Post by pixie on Sept 6, 2017 15:16:34 GMT -5
😂😂😂
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