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Post by WindSister on Jul 13, 2017 8:16:15 GMT -5
... okay, I scoured the WWW and I have to admit, it was tough to find. Especially the argument for SECOND marriages. lol (so there's your humor)
But, seriously, I am in my second marriage. I don't need others to do what I do, and I know I don't have to defend myself or my choices, but I do want to share how I got here even after a sucky first marriage and divorce.
I know the statistics suck for second marriages but I don't think my husband and I are represented in those stats. We don't have kids living with us and we have very drama-free ex spouses (though his ex-girlfriend is a dandy, watch out for those rebounds, seriously). Since his ex is drama-free, his kids have always been accepting of me (kids seem to be a huge reason second marriages fail).
We aren't overly religious.
We both made a good living on our own, didn't "need" each other financially.
We both had our own health insurance.
We both had our own checkings, savings, and all that jazz (a little retirement stashed away).
We both had good credit, the ability to keep ourselves in good/running cars and maybe something fun on the side (like a bike or boat).
All on our own, individually.
We get no real incentives to "be married" yet we chose to marry each other.
We chose intentionally. We continue to choose.
I guess I have always "believed" in marriage even as I hated being in my first one and went through divorce. I don't believe in it from a religious standpoint, but I do from a spiritual one - granted, you don't need to make it "state legal" to enjoy a spiritual marriage. But I do enjoy sharing his last name - that means something to me. Also, "wife" and "husband" mean something to me so deeply beautiful now after the first time around when we were basically indifferent towards each other. I LOVE being his wife. I LOVE calling him my husband. It's a bond that is uniquely ours.
I guess I will leave it at that because it's hard to come up with the words for what I feel in my heart. I know I can't speak for my husband, but I speak WITH him all the time. Our anniversary is a time we look back on the year and discuss things - how it went, what needs to change, what can we do to keep things alive and thriving for the year ahead. We are on the same page and our actions align. It's not an institution for us, it's our living, breathing relationship - the space in which we share life with each other. It's what drives our actions and behaviors and makes us better people with and for each other.
No, not everyone needs it and that's cool. Of course, I do get a little sad when I see the word trashed so bad, though. But, that's nothing to do with my choice, I know. And on this site, it's a no-brainer the word is tiresome and heavy to most (it was to me at one time, too). I guess I am here to caution "never say never" AND - it's not "marriages" fault that marriages fail. (something like that)
I did find one little blurb in my scouring of the web that touched my heart and definitely explains how I feel about my second marriage. I will close with that:
Economists talk about the ‘IKEA effect,’ where people value things more when they have a sense of ownership from building it themselves. The way I see it, a second marriage is like that. Unlike my first marriage, this one was born of intention and effort on both of our parts. We have removed the rotten pieces of our pasts, sanded smooth the rough edges and built upon the reinforced foundation. And when we build it, we cherish it.” — Lisa Arends, blogger at Lessons From The End Of A Marriage
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Post by DryCreek on Jul 13, 2017 8:35:59 GMT -5
WindSister, having been through the gristmill of divorce, did you two opt for a prenuptial agreement to declare the financial boundaries in advance this time? There is so much angst over money during divorce, I'm inclined to think it should be mandatory, though lovestruck couples are reluctant to consider that things won't end well, especially if they don't have assets going into the marriage. ETA: I'm actually a fan of marriage and would most certainly do it again. I just wouldn't leave things undefined next time.
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Post by WindSister on Jul 13, 2017 8:44:38 GMT -5
WindSister , having been through the gristmill of divorce, did you two opt for a prenuptial agreement to declare the financial boundaries in advance this time? There is so much angst over money during divorce, I'm inclined to think it should be mandatory, though lovestruck couples are reluctant to consider that things won't end well, especially if they don't have assets going into the marriage. I appreciate your comment, especially with all we see go on in the boards. No, we did not do a prenuptial. I can see why others might. I wouldn't call us lovestruck - we have been the same couple from the start, honeymoons don't typically last 3 years and running. If I am proven wrong, I will let you all know. This is it for me. He is it. No need for a prenup here and it's not like we have "major" assets to protect. We are both PROVEN to be decent human beings as well, our ex spouses would even vouch for that. We made fair agreements with our exes with no need for lawyers. He and I gave up a lot of the "stuff" to our spouses, but "stuff" doesn't hold much meaning to either of us. Money was never an issue in our past divorces and wouldn't be for us. That's just us, though. Like I said, I get why others would.
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Post by novembercomingfire on Jul 13, 2017 8:47:04 GMT -5
I am absolutely not a fan of marriage and having chosen to be married twice I can say at this point in time, no way, never again, just point blank NO.
However, this is just for me. Others may have perfectly good reasons to want to marry, be married, etc. It sounds like this choice was a good one for you and, bless you, it sounds as if you have much to be grateful for.
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 13, 2017 9:06:23 GMT -5
WindSisterI love this post. I have a lot of the same philosophies as you do. I will never say never BUT I will have a prenup to protect my pension, I worked decades for that and while I'm happy to share it with someone I love the gig is up if it doesn't work out and they didn't work for a penny of it. In regards to second marriages - I think the people who divorce coming out of a SM are a different breed of divorcee. The dysfunction in the marriage is not the typical dysfunction- most people don't divorce about a lack of sex. Even shitty marriages where people have other problems they are still having sex with each other. Makeup sex, anger sex, while she's sleeping I just need to get off sex, etc. My point is our breed of divorcee has gone without such a primal part of intimacy for so long, I think we are also quite introspective about our role and ownership in the dysfunction of the relationship so we don't take intimacy for granted, we learned from our mistakes, and I stand by ultimately we are good husbands and wives we were just dealt a bad hand, our kindness was taken for weakness, and we enabled our abusers. We are a different breed. With a different person we could have very successful second marriages.
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Post by novembercomingfire on Jul 13, 2017 10:33:01 GMT -5
WindSisterI love this post. I have a lot of the same philosophies as you do. I will never say never BUT I will have a prenup to protect my pension, I worked decades for that and while I'm happy to share it with someone I love the gig is up if it doesn't work out and they didn't work for a penny of it. In regards to second marriages - I think the people who divorce coming out of a SM are a different breed of divorcee. The dysfunction in the marriage is not the typical dysfunction- most people don't divorce about a lack of sex. Even shitty marriages where people have other problems they are still having sex with each other. Makeup sex, anger sex, while she's sleeping I just need to get off sex, etc. My point is our breed of divorcee has gone without such a primal part of intimacy for so long, I think we are also quite introspective about our role and ownership in the dysfunction of the relationship so we don't take intimacy for granted, we learned from our mistakes, and I stand by ultimately we are good husbands and wives we were just dealt a bad hand, our kindness was taken for weakness, and we enabled our abusers. We are a different breed. With a different person we could have very successful second marriages. Excellent post. There is hope.
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Post by TheGreatContender -aka Daddeeo on Jul 13, 2017 10:46:48 GMT -5
My point is our breed of divorcee has gone without such a primal part of intimacy for so long, I think we are also quite introspective about our role and ownership in the dysfunction of the relationship so we don't take intimacy for granted, we learned from our mistakes, and I stand by ultimately we are good husbands and wives we were just dealt a bad hand, our kindness was taken for weakness, and we enabled our abusers. We are a different breed. With a different person we could have very successful second marriages. I so agree with this point. Im very aware of my role as an enabler in the dysfunction of my marriage and I will own it. As for second marriages, I am not divorced but if I was. I really dont see it in the cards. I think I would go back to my pre-marriage philosophy of fucking as much as I could within the construct of meaningful relationships but not built on financial or emotional dependence. I make no apologies there. Im high libido and have been for as long as I can remember. Sex IS important to me and should be a priority.
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 13, 2017 11:01:46 GMT -5
My point is our breed of divorcee has gone without such a primal part of intimacy for so long, I think we are also quite introspective about our role and ownership in the dysfunction of the relationship so we don't take intimacy for granted, we learned from our mistakes, and I stand by ultimately we are good husbands and wives we were just dealt a bad hand, our kindness was taken for weakness, and we enabled our abusers. We are a different breed. With a different person we could have very successful second marriages. I so agree with this point. Im very aware of my role as an enabler in the dysfunction of my marriage and I will own it. As for second marriages, I am not divorced but if I was. I really dont see it in the cards. I think I would go back to my pre-marriage philosophy of fucking as much as I could within the construct of meaningful relationships but not built on financial or emotional dependence. I make no apologies there. Im high libido and have been for as long as I can remember. Sex IS important to me and should be a priority. I totally get the financial dependence part but I wonder about the emotional part. Is a relationship meaningful without emotions? Or maybe the question is - what type of relationship is ideal?
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Post by shamwow on Jul 13, 2017 11:13:14 GMT -5
Seeing as I've been single now for a day, I think I'll ride this out a bit longer
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Post by WindSister on Jul 13, 2017 11:18:56 GMT -5
Seeing as I've been single now for a day, I think I'll ride this out a bit longer Lol. You weren't even supposed to read this post!
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Post by shamwow on Jul 13, 2017 11:19:55 GMT -5
Seeing as I've been single now for a day, I think I'll ride this out a bit longer Lol. You weren't even supposed to read this post! The Shamma Lamma Ding Dong sees all.....
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Post by beachguy on Jul 13, 2017 12:40:42 GMT -5
WindSister, I'm happy for you. I mean it. But the risk of having what you have, even a mere 3 years into your 2nd marriage, is far too big of a risk for me. My one and only marriage was far too traumatic to take that risk again. And maybe I'm just not marriage material. Maybe I'm just as fucked up as she is...
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Post by WindSister on Jul 13, 2017 12:40:52 GMT -5
WindSister I love this post. I have a lot of the same philosophies as you do. I will never say never BUT I will have a prenup to protect my pension, I worked decades for that and while I'm happy to share it with someone I love the gig is up if it doesn't work out and they didn't work for a penny of it. In regards to second marriages - I think the people who divorce coming out of a SM are a different breed of divorcee. The dysfunction in the marriage is not the typical dysfunction- most people don't divorce about a lack of sex. Even shitty marriages where people have other problems they are still having sex with each other. Makeup sex, anger sex, while she's sleeping I just need to get off sex, etc. My point is our breed of divorcee has gone without such a primal part of intimacy for so long, I think we are also quite introspective about our role and ownership in the dysfunction of the relationship so we don't take intimacy for granted, we learned from our mistakes, and I stand by ultimately we are good husbands and wives we were just dealt a bad hand, our kindness was taken for weakness, and we enabled our abusers. We are a different breed. With a different person we could have very successful second marriages. Yes, I definitely agree with you there. I really do think it's APPRECIATION that fans the flames of love most - along with respect and all that other good stuff. But knowing someone is not taking you for granted because of their words AND actions? The best. In long term relationships (married or not) taking someone for granted, I think, is really the start of the downward slide ---- leads to indifference, lack of respect, lack of communication, lack of self-care, lack of expressing love, etc......
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Post by WindSister on Jul 13, 2017 12:42:52 GMT -5
WindSister , I'm happy for you. I mean it. But the risk of having what you have, even a mere 3 years into your 2nd marriage, is far too big of a risk for me. My one and only marriage was far too traumatic to take that risk again. And maybe I'm just not marriage material. Maybe I'm just as fucked up as she is... I get it. It's okay, not everyone has to get married. The fact is there really isn't a "need" for "marriage" anymore, is there? Aside from kids, I mean? Even then.... So, I get it. Just sharing how I ended up here again. I suppose I may be a fool, time will tell, but so far, enjoying this ride. Just be true to yourself.
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Post by DryCreek on Jul 13, 2017 14:02:54 GMT -5
We are a different breed. With a different person we could have very successful second marriages. I suspect that the very traits that hosed us in our current situation would be very valuable with the right partner.
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