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Post by Venus Erotes on Jun 26, 2017 21:54:45 GMT -5
I'm just saying that if you have a thing about zippers, here's the door. I like zippers. I like buttons. I like hook & eyes. I like ties  |
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Post by baza on Jun 26, 2017 21:56:41 GMT -5
Side bar -
I think that you will find, that even if you are a person of faith, and even if your faith does believe in divorce under certain criteria, and even if you meet that certain criteria, you are still going to find it just as challenging and difficult a choice as anyone else.
With the same logistical problems as everyone else.
With the same emotional problems as everyone else.
With the same legal problems as everyone else.
There's no free passes.
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Post by wewbwb on Jun 26, 2017 22:07:48 GMT -5
Side bar - I think that you will find, that even if you are a person of faith, and even if your faith does believe in divorce under certain criteria, and even if you meet that certain criteria, you are still going to find it just as challenging and difficult a choice as anyone else. There's no free passes. Tanstaafl. R.A.H.  cdn image server |
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Post by snowman12345 on Jun 27, 2017 5:38:03 GMT -5
I'm just saying that if you have a thing about zippers, here's the door. We need to have a rule about bathing regularly too... If you have ever been in a room full of Amish you will know of what I speak.
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Post by McRoomMate on Jun 27, 2017 9:00:45 GMT -5
CATHOLIC DOGMA: Sex for Procreation . . . and nothing more.
Being raised a Catholic and if you bother reading the dogma "Lust" is a Deadly Sin meaning even a "dirty thought" and no confession and you are bound to Hell for all Eternity.
No condoms, no deviant sex (even with lawful spouse) and no dirty thoughts about any other woman that is not your wife.
That being said . . . There is the Theory and the Practice and that could be written in volumes.
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Post by csl on Jun 27, 2017 9:49:37 GMT -5
Side bar - I think that you will find, that even if you are a person of faith, and even if your faith does believe in divorce under certain criteria, and even if you meet that certain criteria, you are still going to find it just as challenging and difficult a choice as anyone else. With the same logistical problems as everyone else. With the same emotional problems as everyone else. With the same legal problems as everyone else. There's no free passes. POSITUTELY!! Being a person of faith doesn't mean that you give up being a person. It's in the title: person of faith. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 12:31:49 GMT -5
If you care what my opinion is, re-read what baza said. northstarmom, what churches are OK with sex outside of marriage? I don't know of any. Unitarian, maybe? |
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Post by northstarmom on Jun 27, 2017 16:53:25 GMT -5
When I was in college, I was surprised that my friends who were protestant did not feel that having sex outside of marriage with a sin. They said that cheating on your partner was the sand. I suppose that interpretation is what matters. I was brought up Catholic and that church did believe that any sex outside of marriage, even with yourself, was a sin. I do not think all churches are like that.
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Post by baza on Jun 27, 2017 18:26:51 GMT -5
The Rastafarians appear to have a *chill out and smoke ganga* policy, so they'd be on my shortlist of potential religions to join.
I don't mind a bit of reggae music either, on the downside, these days I'd find it challenging to grow out the hair and produce dreadlocks.
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Post by lwoetin on Jun 27, 2017 22:04:04 GMT -5
CATHOLIC DOGMA: Sex for Procreation . . . and nothing more. Being raised a Catholic and if you bother reading the dogma "Lust" is a Deadly Sin meaning even a "dirty thought" and no confession and you are bound to Hell for all Eternity. No condoms, no deviant sex (even with lawful spouse) and no dirty thoughts about any other woman that is not your wife. That being said . . . There is the Theory and the Practice and that could be written in volumes. I have not seen how many of the 101 positions are actually deviant. Also not so sure about going to hell for lusting. There's the purgatory route that may be available. But with certainty I know the church is filled with and welcomes sinners. I haven't seen any stonings yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 2:35:59 GMT -5
Here's my problem my grandmother went to her pastor for advice about her husband beating the shit out of her and he laid the law on her about being a wife so she stayed and he beat the shit out of her and kids and grandkids and here we are 70 years later and what he did still makes an impact and the church still protects those decisions years ago.
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Post by baza on Jun 28, 2017 3:37:52 GMT -5
In my jurisdiction, it has only been over fairly recent years where domestic violence has been taken seriously by the law makers, the police, and the courts.
And there is still a long long long way to go to eliminate this heinous (and far too common) crime.
In my jurisdiction (population app 25 million), on average 1 spouse (usually the female) is murdered by their partner every week. The level of people who "only" get shit belted out of them is horrific, and God only knows the level of people who are subjected to intimidation that might just fall short of copping a knuckle sandwich.
It is a fucking disgrace.
Now I am sympathetic to the Churches inability to address this problem (as per Brother @thecelt above) where the church effectively advised her to "cop it". I mean, what could the church do in any event ? Send some Monsignor home with her to ride shotgun ?
The lawmakers in my jurisdiction couldn't stop it, the police couldn't stop it and the courts couldn't stop it, so hanging it on the church seems a bit rich to me. For all that, the churches DO have a history of sweeping shit under the carpet, particularly abuse issues, and indeed of abuses committed by their own officers on minors.
I don't think the answer to this issue was ever - or is ever - going to be resolved by just the church. That would seem a very fanciful notion.
It needs a blanket approach.
Starting with the citizens making some noise about the issue.
By the education system, by assorted community organisations making some noise about it.
By the elected officials / lawmakers being put under pressure, by supplying the police (who are taking a major lead on this issue at last) with the appropriate tools to bring offenders before the judiciary. And by the judiciary to apply censures to the offenders.
Even then, it is going to be a generational change, those kids (and missus) of Brother @thecelt grandfather might be a lost cause now and perhaps have carried on the violent tradition that was modelled for them.
I think the resolution of this awful and often hidden part of our society starts NOW and with US, but without any expectation of seeing any marked improvement in the situation for at least a decade, probably more.
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Post by McRoomMate on Jun 28, 2017 5:25:43 GMT -5
CATHOLIC DOGMA: Sex for Procreation . . . and nothing more. Being raised a Catholic and if you bother reading the dogma "Lust" is a Deadly Sin meaning even a "dirty thought" and no confession and you are bound to Hell for all Eternity. No condoms, no deviant sex (even with lawful spouse) and no dirty thoughts about any other woman that is not your wife. That being said . . . There is the Theory and the Practice and that could be written in volumes. I have not seen how many of the 101 positions are actually deviant. Also not so sure about going to hell for lusting. There's the purgatory route that may be available. But with certainty I know the church is filled with and welcomes sinners. I haven't seen any stonings yet. In case you are interested(curious and to be clear I am NOT agreeing necessarily with this personally but it is the position of Catholic Dogma is as follows (Yes I know Protestant and many many other faiths think differently, again, I thought you might be curious). And for the sake of clarity - I have probably all 7 of them in my consciousness as "repeat offender" and per Catholic dogma have truly earned a place "down there." www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Seven_Deadly_Sins Mortal sins are sins of grave (serious) matter, where the sinner is aware that the act (or omission) is both a sin and a grave matter, but still performs the act (or omission) with deliberate consent. The act of committing a mortal sin cuts off the sinner from God's grace; it is in itself a rejection of God. If left un-reconciled, mortal sins result in eternal punishment in Hell. Thus, mortal sin is sin causing spiritual death. (Rom. 5:12; 6:23).
(the left "un-reconciled) usually is cleared by going to Confession and then the Priest say to the confessor - 3 Hail Maries and 4 Our Fathers or something like that). And of course the Seven Mortal Sins or "Deadly Sins" are: English / Latin 1. Lust (Luxuria) 2. Gluttony (gula) 3. Greed (avaritia) 4. Sloth (acedia) 5. Wrath (ira) 6. Envy (Invidia) 7. Pride (superbia) |
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Post by northstarmom on Jun 28, 2017 12:03:48 GMT -5
"The idea that is still taught in some churches today is that the Christian sexual ethic came to earth fully formed, straight from heaven, about 2,000 years ago. Throughout all that time, there was exactly one way for Christians to express their sexuality — by staying abstinent until they got married to a person of the opposite gender. And then, you could have at it all you wanted. But what I wasn’t taught in Sunday School is that the Bible’s teachings on sex have been interpreted in many different ways. I didn’t know that the early Christians actually started practicing celibacy because they were convinced the end of the world was near. No one told me that marriage wasn’t always defined and controlled by the church. And that even within marriage, sex wasn’t always something that Christians were taught to enjoy and cherish. And the truth is that the standards on what it means to be a sexual person and live a Christian life have changed. " www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/christianity-and-sex_us_56cb6dc1e4b0ec6725e371d5 |
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Post by Venus Erotes on Jun 28, 2017 13:37:07 GMT -5
Here's my problem my grandmother went to her pastor for advice about her husband beating the shit out of her and he laid the law on her about being a wife so she stayed and he beat the shit out of her and kids and grandkids and here we are 70 years later and what he did still makes an impact and the church still protects those decisions years ago. HORRIBLE. Some of the priests are f'ing morons. Morons don't discriminate. I wish they would. They'd be easier to spot. (((HUGS))) |
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