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Post by shamwow on Jun 13, 2017 2:00:02 GMT -5
Another WTF??? In our upcoming mediation. My STBX refused to meet at my attorneys office and want's to meet at the mediators office instead. Both attorneys agreed. The offices are 3 minutes from each other. Our last mediation was at my attorneys office. What office ,building, desks, chairs, color of the floor, it all doesn't matter, or change anything! No one has an advantage or a disadvantage. The only advantage is to my attorney. She now has to travel. More of OUR money goes to her. A loose, loose for my STBX and myself. It makes no sense. At least it backs my stance of what a controller we are dealing with. Maybe that's a good thing. Let me flip the question around....What is the goal here? Put bluntly, it's to get the fuck out of this marriage. If she wants to meet at the mediator's office, that gives one less excuse. By being flexible on this, you demonstrate goodwill and are reasonable...blah blah blah.... The point is that if the goal is to get out, it doesn't matter where you meet. Like water off a duck's back, just give this one a good "quack" and let it pass. For sure, don't let it rattle you. If you take a step back, it actually makes more sense to have it at the mediator's office. It is literally neutral ground. Maybe the last session felt to her just like you said...advantage to your attorney. Fine. Meet where she will meet, and get out of this as quickly as you can. Quack
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Post by shamwow on Jun 13, 2017 13:31:21 GMT -5
T-Minus-3: Move out of house T-Minus-13: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-18: Move into new house So, one thing I'd like to observe today is that the whole Family / Work / Personal balance gets WAY out of kilter at times like this. Family has been tough (duh). The kids seem to be doing OK. That is the saving grace here. I haven't been spending as much time as I'd like with them because the work of cutting my life in half and stitching the fragments back together have taken most of the oxygen in the room. There is just so much damn stuff to do! But that is temporary, and I look forward to when all of the "to do lists" are complete and all the boxes are checked. At that point, I will take a breather and spend more time with the kids. At just the time where I should be trying to spend a bunch of time with the kids (as is my custom), I find myself spending very little time with them and it sucks. Work has had a series of mini-crises...these don't take a break just because you're getting divorced. It's nothing that I'm going to get fired over, but there are a lot of things that happen to be going wrong that I'm not responsible for that bleed into my area. In normal times, it's just typical work crap. Right now? It's hard to focus or really see things as important with so many other big life changing events going on. On the personal side, I worked really hard to lose weight and get in shape over the past year. I've been eating like crap for the past couple weeks. It hasn't showed up on the scale or mirror yet, but you truly are what you eat. I haven't been getting any real exercise (other than moving things), and have been in a increasing state of feeling run-down most of the time. I am confident this will pass when things shake out and stabilize. But I've still got from here to there. The emotional aspect is also pretty stressful. I'm not used to occasionally breaking down and crying. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it is seriously catching me by surprise. Maybe I'm turning into a chick  I normally do a pretty good job of keeping these three aspects of my life in balance. I'm hoping that this is a temporary thing and my off-kilter ship will right itself once the divorce is over and things settle into a new normal...But for the moment, I'm a bit burned out, harried, tired, confused, and it's not really a place I'm comfortable in (understatement).
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Post by bballgirl on Jun 13, 2017 13:53:24 GMT -5
T-Minus-3: Move out of house T-Minus-13: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-18: Move into new house So, one thing I'd like to observe today is that the whole Family / Work / Personal balance gets WAY out of kilter at times like this. Family has been tough (duh). The kids seem to be doing OK. That is the saving grace here. I haven't been spending as much time as I'd like with them because the work of cutting my life in half and stitching the fragments back together have taken most of the oxygen in the room. There is just so much damn stuff to do! But that is temporary, and I look forward to when all of the "to do lists" are complete and all the boxes are checked. At that point, I will take a breather and spend more time with the kids. At just the time where I should be trying to spend a bunch of time with the kids (as is my custom), I find myself spending very little time with them and it sucks. Work has had a series of mini-crises...these don't take a break just because you're getting divorced. It's nothing that I'm going to get fired over, but there are a lot of things that happen to be going wrong that I'm not responsible for that bleed into my area. In normal times, it's just typical work crap. Right now? It's hard to focus or really see things as important with so many other big life changing events going on. On the personal side, I worked really hard to lose weight and get in shape over the past year. I've been eating like crap for the past couple weeks. It hasn't showed up on the scale or mirror yet, but you truly are what you eat. I haven't been getting any real exercise (other than moving things), and have been in a increasing state of feeling run-down most of the time. I am confident this will pass when things shake out and stabilize. But I've still got from here to there. The emotional aspect is also pretty stressful. I'm not used to occasionally breaking down and crying. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it is seriously catching me by surprise. Maybe I'm turning into a chick  I normally do a pretty good job of keeping these three aspects of my life in balance. I'm hoping that this is a temporary thing and my off-kilter ship will right itself once the divorce is over and things settle into a new normal...But for the moment, I'm a bit burned out, harried, tired, confused, and it's not really a place I'm comfortable in (understatement). Hang in there! You are doing great! Everything will fall into place.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 14, 2017 12:57:32 GMT -5
T-Minus-2: Move out of house T-Minus-12: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-17: Move into new house
I've moved a number of times in my life, and am familiar with the usual changing of address. What is interesting this time is that I am also changing the payment method on just about everything I receive. Amazon, the EZ tag, hell, even my razor blade shipments (get them MUCH cheaper online). I'm racking my brain to make sure that I have everything because if I miss something it will get cut off. I think I've mostly got it all now.
Moving day is in 2 days. Neither of the kids want to be here when the movers take everything. That's probably because the majority of their things will be in storage until my wife's house is done. My house will be ready in a couple weeks, and they will have things of their own again, but the majority of THEIR things are going to be in a storage shed until the end of July. If the kids want to spend the night at a friend's before we move in with my folks for a couple weeks, I totally get it. Last night, my 16 year old daughter invited over a bunch of friends for one last pool party. Loud music, junk food, lots of laughing...it looked like she had fun.
Each of the next three nights involve yet more moving. I'm disassembling my wife's bed (used to be our bed) and am giving it to my sister. Neither my wife or I want it (for her it is too big, for me...well, I'm sure everyone here understands why I will never sleep in that bed again). But it is a nice bed, so I am giving it to my sister. This entire move has involved getting things from two people to 7 different locations (in four different towns) over a 2 week period. Craziest damn move I've ever done...
As the time gets closer, I am getting more excited and less nervous. As I pick up various tasks that the wife used to do (i.e. pick up dry cleaning, paying bills, etc...) I realize that I wish I'd done this sooner (this shit is pretty easy). Granted, it isn't over yet, but with only 12 more days left until the divorce goes through, we are running out of things that could totally blow things up.
My wife really isn't talking to me. Sometimes it's annoying, like trying to schedule the move and knowing what her plans are. Other times, I get it....when she didn't get a job she interviewed for. I know she had a second interview yesterday and they are making a decision today. I really hope she gets the job, even though I have absolutely no idea what it is. Any job is preferable to no job and it does mean she will be on her feet. Part of me wonders if she will tell me when she gets a job or whether I will find it out through the grapevine (i.e. the kids). Surely she knows it's better that we communicate rather than pass messages through the kids, but at this point, who the hell knows. I'll fill her in on things she needs to know (even if by email) and just play the rest by ear.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 15, 2017 6:13:28 GMT -5
T-Minus-1: Move out of house T-Minus-11: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-16: Move into new house
The bird has been moved to the launch pad. It is being fueled. I'm suited up. I've climbed into the capsule after doing the customary wave (just to get in on camera in case the thing explodes on the pad). I'm as prepared as I'm going to be and just wanting to get the show on the road.
Yesterday, my wife FINALLY found a job. It is a full time book keeping position. The hours are very reasonable. 9 to 4. Considered full time even though less than 40 hours, and the salary is being paid on 40 hours. It is about 30 minutes to/from the house which is very reasonable in Houston. I have no idea what the pay is. I'm kind of guessing crap since flexibility in hours and location are her primary consideration, but with an extra $22,500 coming in from me in child support, she should be OK.
My dad and I moved the last of the things that are going to his place there. I rode my motorcycle over to drop it off which was good since there has been so little time for that lately.
We loaded our marital bed into the trailer and he brought it home to deliver to my sister today sometime. Neither my wife of I wanted it, and my sister has plans to give it a good home.
I sat in the hot tub last night watching my son play with friends. He seemed to be having a blast even though tomorrow we will be moving. Granted, we are moving to my parents house which sits on 2 acres of land on a medium size lake. As far as places to hole up while our new places get ready, it ain't bad. Plus we will all still be together out there.
Everything is coming together perfect. Just as I planned.
So why, in the name of Zeus's bunghole was I absolutely depressed last night? I was not second-guessing my decision. This marriage was literally killing me. It was going to die or I would, and I choose to live.
After an hour or two, the reason became clear. It was the bed. The same bed that we shared for 19 of our 20 year marriage. The bed my son was conceived in (my daughter was hecho en Mexico). The bed with some good memories, but also almost two decades of constant rejection. That bed was no longer with us. You would think my feelings are "thank God" and celebrate. But feelings don't really work that way. Instead, its absence now reminded me of how much time I had wasted in that bed. Chasing "why". Wondering what the hell was the matter with ME that she didn't want me. Was I completely unfuckable? Would anyone every want me? You guys know the drill. Many of us are still doing it.
I think that once I realized this last night I was able to let it go. Or at least REALLY start the process for the first time.
In 24 hours, the movers come to pick up my wife's shit. I've already got almost all of my own stuff in storage.
And then we get to see how well this rocket actually flies...
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Post by baza on Jun 15, 2017 6:22:23 GMT -5
Brother shamwowPlease, if you are ever tempted to delete this thread, please reconsider. In context with your other posts, it is probably the best reference point post ever compiled here.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 15, 2017 6:36:14 GMT -5
Brother shamwow Please, if you are ever tempted to delete this thread, please reconsider. In context with your other posts, it is probably the best reference point post ever compiled here. Thanks, baz There have been a few entries in this thread I was embarrassed to write (i.e. crying over a kitchen table going into storage). But I don't think I will ever be tempted to delete this thread. The only one that I have actually ever deleted was the letter to my wife asking for a divorce. Upon reflection, that was something best left between her and I, and not really appropriate for public consumption. But I do hope that maybe if people read what I'm writing here they might pick up a tidbit or two of "oh, I didn't think of that" or realize that as traumatic as this process is (and mine is pretty benign given the non contested nature), it is survivable, and hopefully, finds me in a better place in the end. Thanks for the kind words.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jun 15, 2017 7:38:08 GMT -5
Another WTF??? In our upcoming mediation. My STBX refused to meet at my attorneys office and want's to meet at the mediators office instead. Both attorneys agreed. The offices are 3 minutes from each other. Our last mediation was at my attorneys office. What office ,building, desks, chairs, color of the floor, it all doesn't matter, or change anything! No one has an advantage or a disadvantage. The only advantage is to my attorney. She now has to travel. More of OUR money goes to her. A loose, loose for my STBX and myself. It makes no sense. At least it backs my stance of what a controller we are dealing with. Maybe that's a good thing. Let me flip the question around....What is the goal here? Put bluntly, it's to get the fuck out of this marriage. If she wants to meet at the mediator's office, that gives one less excuse. By being flexible on this, you demonstrate goodwill and are reasonable...blah blah blah.... The point is that if the goal is to get out, it doesn't matter where you meet. Like water off a duck's back, just give this one a good "quack" and let it pass. For sure, don't let it rattle you. If you take a step back, it actually makes more sense to have it at the mediator's office. It is literally neutral ground. Maybe the last session felt to her just like you said...advantage to your attorney. Fine. Meet where she will meet, and get out of this as quickly as you can. Quack Thanks for your response (as always), I do have to be extremely careful to not take the "I just want out" attitude. A narc. loves that! That gives them complete control, and my STBX would love nothing more than to throw me in the trash can like a used tampon! This goes back to the "stand up for yourself, believe in yourself, time for some taking, boundaries with backing, attitude". Something I have to struggle with is the two sided advice I get when it comes to dealing with an attorney. I am told," call her, ask these questions, say,where not done yet, she works for you, etc..." Then I am told, "trust your attorney, believe in your attorney, do whatever your attorney tells you to, your attorney has seen this before." Add on top of that, watching my STBX have an attorney who screwed up everything with having no experience in divorce, and over-litigating everything, and not returning phone calls for months. The goal is for a fair settlement, for me to walk away with what is legally mine, a parallel parenting plan, and to legally expose all the finances that have been shifted and have it brought to justice. Then the healing can begin. Some things are worth fighting for, even if it means more time. You only get one shot at it.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 16, 2017 22:01:12 GMT -5
T-Minus-0: Move out of house T-Minus-10: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-15: Move into new house
Primary engine initiation. Houston, we have liftoff!
I've been going hard for 14 hours straight and this is the first opportunity I've had to write down my thoughts. And when I say opportunity, I mean that I'm bone tired and ready for bed.
The original plan for today was that my wife would have movers who would bring mainly furniture and some other items to a climate controlled storage unit. In theory, everything else had already been moved to her non-climate controlled storage unit. Of course when I say "had already been moved" I am referring to me as the mover.
There has been a lot of water flowing down this particular duck's back.
Before the movers got here, I had the good fortune of my MIL coming by to tell me what I need to do. It's worth noting that my MIL and have always gotten along very well, but now that I'm leaving her daughter, she barely says a word to me except to make snide remarks. I totally get that, but it is also seems to be expected that I'll be doing all the same work I did when we were happily married. But I'm going to cut some slack there. If it were my daughter I'm not sure how happy I'd be at the guy divorcing her. Of course, if I knew what my MIL knows I'd put at least some of the blame at said daughter's feet. Oh, well. Quack.
So the movers came and picked up all of my wife's stuff (I pretty much moved most of my own stuff). They were fast, efficient, and friendly. They didn't do unhooks on the major appliances (washer/dryer/refrigerator), so that was apparently up to me to do. No worries. It's a wrench and a few minutes of effort. But still the assumption that I'm taking care of all this. It's a bit strange that she wants to assert her independence...when convenient. Quack.
So the movers leave and I go upstairs. Box after box of stuff. When she gets home I ask where all that is supposed to go. She says to outside storage. Why the fuck she didn't get the 3 dudes with "3 guy movers" to either move it to that storage or to at least move it downstairs, I have no idea. But again, I'm the beast of burden. I brought the boxes down and got them to storage for her. These are not MY boxes. They are HERS. And she didn't ask the movers to move them. Quack.
With my Dad's help (thank God for him), I was able to get all of the items we NEEDED to move done today. He is in his 70's, so I did most of the heavy lifting. I may have mentioned it before, but if you're going to go through a divorce, make sure you're in at least passable shape. I'm in pretty damn good shape and this kicked my ass.
So after we get everything where it needed to be my wife is passing messages of what "the plan" is for the evening through my son. That's parenting no-no in my book. If we need to coordinate, she needs to text ME, not my 13 year old son who may or may not get it right. Even if he does, I do NOT want my kids acting as an intermediary. Once the divorce is final, I'm not going to tolerate that shit. But for right now, the best outcome is that we get through this divorce process amicably. This is not worth blowing it up NOW. But after we are out, I'm going to have to train her that passing messages to each other THROUGH the kids is unacceptable. Quack.
As we get back to the house from storage, she turns and says to me "I don't really want anything else. You can have anything else you want or just trash it." What a jackass thing to say. Basically, I've got everything I want...now you clean up the rest of the mess. This is compounded by the fact she is just telling me today what she wants and what she doesn't. So all day, it's "do you want this" or "do you want that". But that is pretty much behind me now, so fuck it. Annoying as hell at first but kind of expected. Quack.
So now it's almost 10PM here. My wife, my kids, and I are staying with my parents. They have tons of room and have been very generous offering it. I will be staying until July 1 when my place is ready. My wife will be staying until the end of July. So she will be staying here even after I move out. Nice parents, right? I'm a little curious if she truly expresses thanks when she is here without me here. It doesn't matter in the end, but for now....Quack.
Tomorrow, we go back to the house and do the finishing touches. I need to seriously decompress. But there is still a lot I need to do.
For the moment, the time has come for me to give up the ghost. I'll write more when I'm rested.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 17, 2017 6:47:05 GMT -5
Waking up sore as hell. I think it is from military pressing a love seat over two stacked couches yesterday.
I've got a full morning finishing up the house but will probably be able to rela for the rest of the day. The first time in weeks.
I'm done being pissed off at the wife and MIL at the moment. I think I will do some meditation this morning to calm my thoughts. If possible I would LOVE to get on the motorcycle and go for a chill out ride.
Moving out is just about done, even though my wife is still sleeping on the next room as a fellow guest in my parents home. I know, weird situation, but it is temporary.
Physically and emotionally I am drained this morning. That is to be expected, I suppose. Days like today I really wish I had not quit drinking. But days like today are the absolute reason why I HAD to quit drinking.
OK, time to get started and face the day.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 17, 2017 21:15:29 GMT -5
More moving during the day.
Main thing of note is I took a minute to speak with my wife. I apologized for snapping at her yesterday. It was a stressful and exhausting day for both of us. She apologized for same. We are back on the same page again.
Looking back over 20 years of marriage I dint think she has ever apologized first for anything first. I really cannot think of a single example. It is always me. So I guess that's just part of our "dynamic".
It does keep the peace but the always apologizing whether right or wrong is something I will have to get a handle on.
But spending evening with my family and even taking with kids on how we want to decorate the new place.
Things are quiet for the moment.
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Post by meerin on Jun 18, 2017 2:10:11 GMT -5
Congrats on making it through the move. Moves are hell even when they are happy occasions. Keep quacking.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 18, 2017 6:51:21 GMT -5
T-Plus-2: Move out of house T-Minus-8: Divorce Finalized T-Minus-13: Move into new house
Tomorrow we close on our house. On the day we moved, we were kind of snappy at each other, but since then we have apologized to each other and things are back to the same "normal" that they have been since I announced I wanted a divorce. Hell, they are pretty much the same (roommates who get along) as it has been for at least the past 10 years.
I've got to say, it's a bit surreal. We are both staying at my parent's house, and my cousin, her husband and her four kids are all staying here (vacation). My sister and her two kids are coming over to stay tonight. It is going to be one FULL house and we are getting along pretty well. You would think there would be a giant elephant in the corner, but there isn't. Last night, my cousin and I were chatting maybe 15 feet from my wife discussing who was moving where and when. At this point, it's kind of gotten to be no big deal. Everything has been agreed to, and we both seem to be waiting out the 61 day clock as mandated by the state of Texas.
Today, the plan is to go back to the house. We will take separate cars, and get the remaining "stuff", give the pool a final cleaning, and give the house a final cleaning. Tomorrow morning at 8AM we close. The we both go to work (her second day on her new job) and after work return back to my parent's house. Wash, rinse, repeat for a week, then the divorce goes in effect.
Last night, the kids and I sat down near the lake and just shot the shit for a while. We talked about how we wanted to decorate the house, what our plans should be for the 4th of July (spoiler alert, we are going to blow a bunch of shit up), and how we should handle where the dog goes when it isn't "my weekend". So far....the kids are taking this pretty well. The subject is no longer taboo or even uncomfortable. That may change when the custody arrangement actually goes into effect, but if my wife and I can remain calm (and THAT is the main reason I apologized to her), the kids seem to be doing OK.
Just taking this one day at a time, but so far, things seem to be going OK.
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Post by merrygoround on Jun 18, 2017 8:37:11 GMT -5
shamwow Blowing shit up with your kids - such a cool dad! It's going to be really good for you and them, I've a feeling in my water! x
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Post by shamwow on Jun 18, 2017 20:37:22 GMT -5
nancybYour post from a few weeks ago has been haunting me ever since. The one about what to do right before the movers came. You and your husband held each other in bed and talked of good times. My dad and MIL were here when the movers got here so that wasn't exactly an option. However, today as we locked the house for the last time together I told her that I wanted to say something. I told her that I have received a number of compliments on how well I have handled this situation. I told her that the only reason we have handled it as well as we have is because both of us did what we can to make the best of a bad situation. So I thanked her for that as tears flowed down both our faces. She thanked me back. And we just held each other for a couple minutes. nancyb thank you for helping me end my marriage on that note. Yes I still have a week before the state of Texas says it's over, but in my mind that is the moment it truly ended. So thank you for sharing and adapting your ending to my situation. I hope all is well with you...
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