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Post by sorelievedifoundyou on May 19, 2017 10:50:14 GMT -5
Hoping for a change - No I could not go back to being with H and only H. Since I have seen the desire in another man's eyes for me, I've realised this was what was missing, even if I didn't know it at the time. A man who wants me passionately. Would it last? Well who knows. But I feel happy for the first time in years and that's got to count for something right? I've had quite a bit of interest previously. But nothing I was willing to risk everything for before him.
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Post by sorelievedifoundyou on May 19, 2017 10:53:31 GMT -5
McRoommate (BRILLIANT name btw - I absolutely know where you are coming from!!) you are spot on. That's why I'm so grateful kids are not involved. I cannot imagine the stress some of you must be under.
Yes I've considered divorce for years. I went to a solicitor and got some advice. Then my Grandma, then my Grandad died and I had awful grief. Now I'm recovered mostly from that and feeling a bit stronger again.
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Post by hopingforachange on May 19, 2017 11:01:37 GMT -5
Hoping for a change - No I could not go back to being with H and only H. Since I have seen the desire in another man's eyes for me, I've realised this was what was missing, even if I didn't know it at the time. A man who wants me passionately. Would it last? Well who knows. But I feel happy for the first time in years and that's got to count for something right? I've had quite a bit of interest previously. But nothing I was willing to risk everything for before him. Sounds like you have made one decision the previous status quo is not acceptable. So, now you have to decide to keep outsourcing, try for an open marriage or divorced.
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Post by shamwow on May 19, 2017 11:22:13 GMT -5
Thank you to all of your great comments. I agree totally about the getting caught and losing more comment. This plays on my mind a lot. Bball girl - how do you cheat with no guilt? I wish I could do this. I have terrible guilt attacks which led me to this forum and I love the way nobody judges. And you know why? Because we all know how it feels! Amazing. F**king hell, I can see myself spending hours on here!! Wowzers hopingforachange... your name says it all. How long will you hope for? Another thing I'd like to add. I'm going to keep a diary of our pathetic sex life and rejections etc. In 3 months from now I will make a decision. Just decided! I'm going to think of where I will live. This is what worries me the most. Losing my home. My beautiful home just went on the market today. A hair under 4,100 square feet on a little under a half acre. Beautiful garden, giant swimming pool (2/3 the size of a neighborhood lap pool), a hot tub that seats 15 with bar stools so you can eat and soak, a fire pit to spend the evenings next to. Inside, 4 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, game room, beautiful media room, gorgeous kitchen (I'm a pretty good cook). You get the picture. And I had to tell my kids mom and I are getting a divorce...and we have to sell it (it is a kid paradise). Some of my friends on here have received a copy of the listing on Kik and can probably back me up that the place is a paradise. Instead, my wife and I will be moving to houses half the size. I will be renting and starting over with a bed I don't want, a shitty couch, and my desk (which was broken during carpet replacement). Everything else, including kid's furniture, I'll have to buy from scratch. My marriage of 20 years will end in 38 days in an uncontested divorce. It's just a place. I can sell it and get a different place. Someday maybe I will have something similar to today. But it's just a place. This part of my life can be repaired and replaced. I cannot repair or replace the constant damage to ME. After 20 years, so much of ME has been lost, beaten down, and reduced to a shell of my former self. I could have cheated, but that isn't for me (I can't lie worth a shit and I know it would have blown up in my face). As I've worked on my exit plan, I have consciously begun to repair the damage to ME. I am able to have hard conversations that would have been impossible even a year ago. I will leave my marriage with dignity and honor. I will continue to have an amazing relationship with my kids and continue to be a great dad. And I'm getting better and stronger EVERY SINGLE DAY. I would not change a thing. I will miss my house more than my spouse I think. But it's just a house. Save yourself.
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Post by greatcoastal on May 19, 2017 11:38:11 GMT -5
Thanks G Coastal! Ok so the house: it's the only place in my adult life where I've ever felt truly at home. It's my safety and my hidey-hole - well you know how it is. We have a big mortgage on the house (£180K) but the house is probably worth £350K. If you're in the US, that might sound like we're rich and live in a big house but maybe you're aware of the UK housing situation, especially in the South-West/South-East. In short, you don't get much for your money here! Anyway, it's a small house in a lovely area down a private gravel road with lots of trees and flowers and space. Compared to a lot of others, we are very lucky! I've often thought that if he and I were just dating and living seperately, I'd have jumped ship a long time ago. This makes me sound materialistic. It's not about that. We've both put a lot of effort into making this house nice. I'm beginning to dig my heels in and think, why should I leave? I'm not the one who destroyed this marriage! Now of course in the last 6 months, I am no longer the innocent party. I am outsourcing (yes I'm learning the lingo!) and finally getting my sexual needs met. I've tried to stop it several times but I can't resist this wonderful, sexy, sensual man and he can't resist me. I feel like I'm on a path now and will have to deal with the consequences as they come along. Like you say... deep breath! If you have time, please feel free to share any wisdom/stories. Only if and when. I am patient, I can wait! Dang it woman! You've got my mind going like crazy! LOL! If only I could type anywhere close to all that I think! Why.... it would take about 40 paragraphs! So.....I live in Central Florida, on the East coast, on an Island between a river and the Atlantic Ocean, in a gated community. 4000 sq. ft. 5 bd. rm. 31/2bath, pool, etc.. (we needed that much house for the 9 of us) Due to my spouse, we live in the top 5%. An attorney informed me, after the divorce I would be in the top 30%. No complaints there! With all of my 401k, real estate investments, IRA's, alimony, etc... I will most likely end up as the " Millionaire next door" that no one knows about. Because... that's who I am. Like Sam Walton, who owned Walmart. he drove an old Ford ranger pick up, and whore overalls. That's more who I choose to be. I sit here in my fancy home, and I dwell on what where some of the most meaningful happiest times in my life? They go back to when I was driving an 18 wheeler, and helping, giving, supporting total strangers. Living in a truck 6 days a week. Pulling people out of flipped over vehicles, backing in trailers for an inexperienced driver, Climbing on top of rigs for people who couldn't climb, encouraging people by bringing them girl scout cookies when others were cursing them out due to their race, reaching out to the stranger in line at the restaurant, asking" may I join you for dinner?" Then having them insist on paying for my meal because no one has ever reached out to them. The list goes on...... Giving and expecting nothing in return.... yet here I am 25 yrs later remembering so, so, much of the joy it gave me. All these things I rarely get to do when I stay in the comfort of my "material safety zone". My loveless, sexless marriage with a manipulative controller. Way, way, to much about me. How does this relate to you? You have answered much of it already. You found fulfillment, grace, satisfaction, respect, joy, happiness,desire, all from giving of yourself and getting back in return. No money involved either. Was their risk involved? Sounds like it? Where would you be without that risk? Content with a material house, and nothing else. A false hope. Like worshiping a false idol. There are so, so many in our lives. A house is only one of them. Do not feel guilty about your AP. Your wedding vows of being, loved , cherished, desired, to have and to hold, where all trampled. Submission is a two way street. You have been giving to a taker. That's not a marriage. Keeping the house is something that used to happen often for woman here in The USA. Today more divorces are split 50/50. When there's debt, the house gets sold. Yes there are a boat load of emotions involved. One way of dumping half of those is finding out what the law will give you. Fighting for the house is doable. I'll close with this.... One of my tenants is 10 yrs. younger than me. Divorced, with 4 kids. We talked about giving up the house. He told me about all the furniture and things he left behind. No regrets. In fact it gave him the opportunity to buy newer ,better"used" furniture. All in a short period of time. Funny how these things fall into place. He's also advising me about meeting other woman at my church. All with time. Speaking of, I have 9 other woman (I am the only man there) in my "Divorce Recovery "class. They are hurting. Others have stories far worse than mine. It's Friday afternoon. Am I going to sit at home tonight in my comfy house? I hope not! I am going to take a risk, and invite them to a time to sit at the tables at the beach, and go out for dessert. Several of them. I plan on being a very good listener, with advice. Something I can give, and get much pleasure receiving the joy of giving to others. Things my wife, takes for granted and acts like she has no need for.
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Post by Dan on May 19, 2017 12:13:10 GMT -5
hopingforachange - sounds like you are a very good communicator and patient with your wife. I can see why you are hopeful. I wish you both luck Dan - totally agree with your 2 cents. If I left, I'd say to G (the other man) I'm yours, if you want me. If you don't want me and want to stay with your wife then I must move on. I can be very resilient if I have to be. It's unlikely he will leave his wife as she has fibromyalgia and depends on him for everything. He feels a strong sense of duty for her. She shut him off sexually a long time ago. He and I have been friends for years so I know quite a bit about his situation. He told me he is astonished at what has happened between him and I. He thought he had E.D. for years but it turns out not! He says he has no guilt. I don't understand how he does not feel guilty. He is a good man and helps her with everything but he, like all of us, has needs. sorelievedifoundyou : My advice to G is similar: try to live authentically... or make a path to it. Options for him: a) he could divorce, date/marry, and STILL be a friend and caregiver to his ex-wife. b) he could inform his wife he is interested in an "open marriage", where he is allowed to date as he sees fit. If she leaves him for that reason, that is her choice. If she stays with him even aware that he has outside relationships, that is her choice. Arguably: if she REALLY loves him, and cannot or chooses not to engage in marital relations, then she should actually WANT this for her husband. Anyway, this is all pretty theoretical. He has to find his path. What YOU need to do is focus on YOU.
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Post by TMD on May 19, 2017 15:22:45 GMT -5
Like shamwow, the house is just a house. For me, as long as I have my kids (on my parenting days), I'm not too fussed about where I live. My roommate and I will be negotiating living arrangements this month. He wants the house. But he can't have that and pay me my share too. So something will have to give. Likely we will sell it. And, again, my "home" is my family and my mental well being. Not the actual physical space.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 16:13:33 GMT -5
He says sex is something that never occurs to him. He kept rejecting me and knew how much I was suffering because of it. I asked him if he fancied me and his reply was 'I don't know'. I was devastated. S He is cruel and abusive. You are not cheating, you are outsourcing the job he refuses to do. I say sell the house & get a divorce. You will be better off in a one bedroom apartment than with a man who doesn't love you.
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Post by greatcoastal on May 19, 2017 16:55:27 GMT -5
I understand being attached to a house. I really do. Others may think it's no big deal, but it was for me. For some reason I liked architecture since I was a kid. I started drawing houses when i was 12. In my early 20's I landed a job as an architectural Illustrator. The office, where I also lived was a magnificent Queen Ann Victorian house built in 1910. The president of Pepsi Cola first built that house. My years on the road gave me lots of time, and opportunities to see older farm houses, and small towns, loaded with historic bungalows and farms. it became a goal of mine. 21 yrs ago I purchased my dream house. A bungalow built in 1923. 3000 sq.ft, 6 bd. rms. 2 bath, 2 acres of land, an old tobacco farm with a full barn, 3 other buildings, a separate 2 car garage, antiques galore, 4 fireplaces, and 6 stoves, on main street, with a view of tree lined streets, and the railroad track through town! 9yrs. later the economy slowed down my wife found work in Florida, we had 3 children, we said good bye to all of that. I rarely think that way anymore. It has little importance to me. i live in a wealthier neighborhood now, and I see the wealth, the yachts sit unused year after year, I see the divorces, and the people who live at the beach but never use it. It's all just stuff, idol worship. I'll be buying a smaller house in the next year. Less to clean, less to maintain. Sure I want to take pride in it. Self worth? Not so much. Mostly function and safety. Even now when I meet people, I still cringe when I have to say, I live in the (name of our gated community). You can see the, "oh, you're one of those" attitudes, or "is that all" attitude. I really like no attitude at all! That's why I like meeting people on line, in the ocean, in a church, or how easy it was to meet a fellow trucker on the road. To myself be true. " A house is where you live; a home is what people make that house into."
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Post by baza on May 19, 2017 18:25:59 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind.
Blokes are 5 times less likely to end their marriage than chicks.
So if you are thinking of leaving your gorgeous house and all, that's one thing. A stand alone issue. It would be most unwise to assume that this other bloke will leave his marriage.
Your choices really need to be based on what is in YOUR longer term best interests. NOT your spouses, NOT this other blokes' either.
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Post by Venus Erotes on May 19, 2017 21:16:47 GMT -5
Loads of advice here and it's all wonderful and all correct.
Bottom line, you need to live your life according to your values.
So what are your values? Do you love yourself? Do you know WHO you are?
I was in an insanely similar position to you 3 years ago - but I have kids.
I'm going to be blunt, because someone said this same thing to me 3 years ago.
"You are here to obtain permission to sleep with a man who is not your husband." I know. I did the same thing.
Here's my guess:
You've been rejected by your husband for years, never felt beautiful, desired, or wanted. Life is great! You just figured the great sex you desired is over with because you are living this wonderful life.
Suddenly there is a burning flame of attraction with another man and you feel it - that magical desire that gives you butterflies and brings on a high that can only be felt with Lust/Love or narcotics. It's freeing, makes you feel wanted, desired, fulfilling this hole that has been in your relationship for years that you never realized existed.
Why did you stay in the relationship with husband after the sex started to wane early on? Was it the security? Did you grow up with nothing? Was your father part of your life growing up?
These are the same questions that brought me to where I am today. I've done a ton of soul searching and figuring out WHO I am, and worked hard, and continue to work hard on loving myself. Counseling (I know fellow ILIASMers, there I go again) has helped me face all of these and continues to help me. I have daddy issues. I am in a position now where I can recognize that. I now recognize how people have treated me in my past and when I see the same treatment now, I recognize it. I am able to change my direction instead of falling into old habits of "going with the flow". I was flowing through life and relied on my early-shaped instincts, which are all based on how I was raised. Yes - I have mommy issues too! LOL! Cutting the cord and separating my values from those of my mother's has been enlightening.
I want to make sure you are taking care of yourself and you learn WHO you are, figure out YOUR values instead of letting society (and those who raised you) tell you what is right and wrong, and that you LOVE who you are.
Okay I'm done.
Good luck!
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Post by Venus Erotes on May 19, 2017 21:20:38 GMT -5
I rarely think that way anymore. It has little importance to me. i live in a wealthier neighborhood now, and I see the wealth, the yachts sit unused year after year, I see the divorces, and the people who live at the beach but never use it. It's all just stuff, idol worship. LOVE <3
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Post by snowman12345 on May 20, 2017 5:29:02 GMT -5
Funny how out sourcing can change your perspective, ain't it? A word of advice, be VERY careful with thinking your affair partner (AP) will give up his deal for you. You know you have second thoughts about leaving - he has those same thoughts. If you leave - leave for you not your AP. Also make sure what ever protection you are using remains in place. what would a pregnancy or STD do for your situation? I don't think either would be helpful. Good luck to you, I hope you find peace.
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Post by sorelievedifoundyou on May 20, 2017 8:54:44 GMT -5
I'm overwhelmed by your responses. Thank you so much. I've been reading all your comments over and over. In a way, because I've started talking about it, it now feels real! I'm very much one to bury my head in the sand for as long as possible but since getting involved with this other man, G, it's woken me up.
I completely agree with comments about G by the way. I have no expectations or even hope about the situation. I think at the moment, we are both thinking that us seeing each other can help us survive our SMs. Nothing more than that. He's 19 years older than me anyway so I'm thinking that down the line, his sex drive will disappear and I'll be left in the same situation. Out of the frying pan into the fire. No thanks!! Lol. I find it incredible that some of you have been brave enough to give up so much in the name of finding happiness. It's given me so much to think about!
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Post by hopingforachange on May 20, 2017 9:07:02 GMT -5
I'm overwhelmed by your responses. Thank you so much. I've been reading all your comments over and over. In a way, because I've started talking about it, it now feels real! I'm very much one to bury my head in the sand for as long as possible but since getting involved with this other man, G, it's woken me up. I completely agree with comments about G by the way. I have no expectations or even hope about the situation. I think at the moment, we are both thinking that us seeing each other can help us survive our SMs. Nothing more than that. He's 19 years older than me anyway so I'm thinking that down the line, his sex drive will disappear and I'll be left in the same situation. Out of the frying pan into the fire. No thanks!! Lol. I find it incredible that some of you have been brave enough to give up so much in the name of finding happiness. It's given me so much to think about! Just getting old does not mean a sex drive will drop. All it means is medicine or lube to assist. The assistant living communities have one of the highest rates of new STD cases, so the old folks are still gettin' jiggy wit it.
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