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Post by Chatter Fox on May 9, 2017 15:01:26 GMT -5
Is marriage a human condition? Is it a universal goal? Do we all long to find that one person to settle down with? Is it in our very nature to couple up with a mate for life? ...or are these things that society tries to convince us of?
Are some of us better suited for marriage? Are others more suited for.... something else? If so, what IS that something else?
My therapist said something to me a while back that never sat well with me. She said that I have done pretty well in life and that i should be proud. She said that I have met the developmental milestones. ...as in, I got a career, I moved out of the house I grew up in, I met my wife, got married, and had kids. Developmental milestones. What is that supposed to mean? Like I have checked off the boxes that deem me "ok" in her book of psychobabble or something. Couldn't I have been "ok" as a human if I didn't go the route that she dictated? Just because I walked the straight and narrow, I can say I did it right? ....then why does it feel so wrong somedays. My career doesn't quite fit. I'm not sure I am cut out for sharing a life with another. I struggle to be a good father. Sometimes i just wonder if I made a terrible mistake by following the prescribed path. Maybe I should have listened to my own voice more and ignored the influence of my parents and of society as a whole? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Maybe it's just not for me ...or maybe I really am not "ok" if I have those thoughts.
Sorry for the depressed vibe. It's just been a rough week so far. I'm really questioning a lot of things in my life right now.
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Post by doneanddone on May 9, 2017 15:38:48 GMT -5
Is marriage a human condition? Is it a universal goal? Do we all long to find that one person to settle down with? Is it in our very nature to couple up with a mate for life? ...or are these things that society tries to convince us of? Are some of us better suited for marriage? Are others more suited for.... something else? If so, what IS that something else? My therapist said something to me a while back that never sat well with me. She said that I have done pretty well in life and that i should be proud. She said that I have met the developmental milestones. ...as in, I got a career, I moved out of the house I grew up in, I met my wife, got married, and had kids. Developmental milestones. What is that supposed to mean? Like I have checked off the boxes that deem me "ok" in her book of psychobabble or something. Couldn't I have been "ok" as a human if I didn't go the route that she dictated? Just because I walked the straight and narrow, I can say I did it right? ....then why does it feel so wrong somedays. My career doesn't quite fit. I'm not sure I am cut out for sharing a life with another. I struggle to be a good father. Sometimes i just wonder if I made a terrible mistake by following the prescribed path. Maybe I should have listened to my own voice more and ignored the influence of my parents and of society as a whole? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Maybe it's just not for me ...or maybe I really am not "ok" if I have those thoughts. Sorry for the depressed vibe. It's just been a rough week so far. I'm really questioning a lot of things in my life right now. No marriage is not for everyone. Especially if you are like me and with wife #2. Should've stopped after one but chose otherwise. Was it the right choice? Don't know. Do I have to look at myself everyday for making that choice, yes? Do i get upset and angry or depressed that I made that choice, some days, yes. Do i regret it.........no. Just because we fit in a category does not make us "normal" or "ok". You wouldn't be human if you didn't have thoughts like this. Expressing yourself here in the long run, you will find helps. At least it has for me.
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Post by shamwow on May 9, 2017 15:45:17 GMT -5
Marriage is an excellent institution for two people who love each other and want to commit their lives to living that love in all its forms. It is an excellent institution for the raising of children. A less committed relationship would blow up the first time bumps were hit in the road and leave the kids stranded. It is also a good institution for forming political alliances and building strong family bonds.
I, like you, followed the script our society wrote for me almost verbatim. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the script, but you damn well better be sure you picked the right co-star of the show. In my case, an extreme lack of sexual compatibility mixed with truly NOTHING in common to create a time bomb that went off at almost exactly the 20 year mark. Now as I'm hauling boxes to a storage unit at night I am dealing with the wreckage of my poor judgment.
If it reassures you, I think that many of us question the script a few decades into the mix, especially if we've been battered and bruised by it. I've gone straight and narrow too. Sometimes it is a source of pride for me, other times, I feel like a sucker. All we can do is the best we can and try not to make the same mistakes twice.
I cannot see a reason to ever get married again. My kids will both be out of the house in a few years and my STBX and I co-parent very well. No need to interview for the step-mom position. I know how to cook for myself and have never been of the school that I need someone to pick up after me. I do see the need to have some fun when I get out (three year drought makes you quite thirsty), but don't feel the need to seek or receive a blessing from a church or the state on my choices.
If the lady doesn't share the same perspective, no hard feelings, but we probably wouldn't work out. At least I've learned something from my experience.
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Post by h on May 9, 2017 16:32:35 GMT -5
I also followed the prescribed path. Went to college. Got a steady job. Got married. (The "right way" according to the church... a big regret.) Bought a house. Spent years in a SM and now find myself here.
I regret following all the rules of society every day now. Thanks to the people here, at least I have been able to work up the courage to force a change. I can't get back the lost years though.
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Post by shamwow on May 9, 2017 17:13:07 GMT -5
I also followed the prescribed path. Went to college. Got a steady job. Got married. (The "right way" according to the church... a big regret.) Bought a house. Spent years in a SM and now find myself here. I regret following all the rules of society every day now. Thanks to the people here, at least I have been able to work up the courage to force a change. I can't get back the lost years though. How many years (decades) you in so far?
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Post by bballgirl on May 9, 2017 17:22:25 GMT -5
I followed the path too. It's what I wanted and I was happy and then happy enough (sex once a month) and then ten years in we had kids and a SM went to celibacy. I was miserable but I was stuck.
Marriage isn't for everyone. I also think it's better to marry later. Our 20's are for having fun and I was married at 22, met my H at 18. My only boyfriend ever.
I am a marriage person if it's with the right person.
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Post by novembercomingfire on May 9, 2017 17:40:54 GMT -5
Marriage is definitely not for me and i never should have thought that i could mess around with it. After one failed marriage (not sexless) i should have known better, but nevertheless, here i am. It is a mistake that i do not intend to make again. Of course, i don't believe in love anymore either, so i guess i am now a hard case ...
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Post by baza on May 9, 2017 18:02:22 GMT -5
I think that doing something because "that'a what everyone else does" is not much of a way to conduct your life.
As far as my marriage goes (we lived together the first 5 years), there was an element of doing it because "everybody else was doing it" (on both our parts I think in hindsight).
The living together plus marriage lasted 30 years, and in some peoples thinking, that would constitute a successful marriage I guess. It produced two kids, financial security and conformed to most societal expectations if viewed from the outside. From the inside, the picture was a fair bit different.
Measured by financial standards and stability aspects, my union would have ticked the boxes. But as far as being a nurturing supportive environment in which both spouses could grow and develop, it was a failure.
"Is Marriage For Everyone ?"
That's your call about yours. It was my call about mine.
Tread your own path.
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Post by Venus Erotes on May 9, 2017 21:33:24 GMT -5
Is Marriage for everyone? HELL NO! baza has been telling us to "tread your own path" for years - and he's right. I checked all the boxes too. What I realized 18 years later - I hate living in a box. Ask your therapist about their comment. See what he/she says. Perhaps they were attempting to validate your decisions in your life, or maybe they just finished up with another client who is so fucked up they can't hold down a job and still live at home with their parents. At any rate, if you are not comfortable with this therapist, find another one you like. There isn't a therapist in the world that wants you to stay with them if they aren't helping you. If they try to hold on to you - RED FLAG and move on without guilt. Check out this link. She discusses how society has evolved and what Hollywood has taught us love is "supposed" to be.
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Post by TMD on May 9, 2017 21:46:12 GMT -5
My therapist said something to me a while back that never sat well with me. She said that I have done pretty well in life and that i should be proud. She said that I have met the developmental milestones. ...as in, I got a career, I moved out of the house I grew up in, I met my wife, got married, and had kids. Developmental milestones. What is that supposed to mean? Like I have checked off the boxes that deem me "ok" in her book of psychobabble or something. Couldn't I have been "ok" as a human if I didn't go the route that she dictated? Just because I walked the straight and narrow, I can say I did it right? ....then why does it feel so wrong somedays. My career doesn't quite fit. I'm not sure I am cut out for sharing a life with another. I struggle to be a good father. Sometimes i just wonder if I made a terrible mistake by following the prescribed path. Maybe I should have listened to my own voice more and ignored the influence of my parents and of society as a whole? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Maybe it's just not for me ...or maybe I really am not "ok" if I have those thoughts. Sorry for the depressed vibe. It's just been a rough week so far. I'm really questioning a lot of things in my life right now. Im with you, Chatter Fox. These so called milestones are baloney when you aren't being your authentic self. They mean nothing. I, too, learned a HUGE lesson with respect to listening to myself vs. of ticking off all the boxes. Had I listened, I wouldn't have married the roommate. But here we are. And now we get to make choices that reflect and honour who we are now. That part is very exciting to me.
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Post by h on May 10, 2017 4:34:34 GMT -5
I also followed the prescribed path. Went to college. Got a steady job. Got married. (The "right way" according to the church... a big regret.) Bought a house. Spent years in a SM and now find myself here. I regret following all the rules of society every day now. Thanks to the people here, at least I have been able to work up the courage to force a change. I can't get back the lost years though. How many years (decades) you in so far? Married 9 years but been together 14 years
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Post by worksforme2 on May 10, 2017 7:55:56 GMT -5
Marriage definitely isn't for everyone. It's an honorable institution, but it's tasked with the impossible. One size clearly doesn't fit all.
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Post by WindSister on May 10, 2017 8:38:47 GMT -5
My first marriage I did "just because." "It's what you do." What followed was a life I didn't actively "want" because I put no real thought into it. That's my fault. In the midst of that I did try to create my life as I wanted it but being with someone who is not right for you does play with you - we were not good together. We didn't bring out the best of each other. It was dysfunctional and toxic.
My second marriage (now) I CHOSE. WE chose. It is very different. We didn't "have to" get married, we were both financially sound, taking care of ourselves. We don't want kids together at this late stage of the game. We both had our own insurance, retirement, etc. But we CHOSE it because we feel we are better together than alone and we want to go through the second half of our lives together - married on paper so the rest of the world knows it, but mostly married at a spiritual level.
I definitely wanted this relationship. I wanted all of this and hoped to find it. Some get out of marriage and just want to thrive on their own. So from that aspect maybe some of us are more prone to it than others. Everyone is different.
I am better in this relationship than alone. That is not to say I am not a strong, independent woman on my own because I was and know I can be. I am not "settling" for anything because I chose marriage. We are actually as happy as we portray to the world. (I don't need everyone to follow my path, I just kinda chuckle when my single friends make married people sound like wretched settlers missing out on life - that's not always the case).
So, yeah -- it's a personal decision.
The key to a happy life is to absolutely know thy self well and then live life as that person you want to be. No settling whether you marry or not.
I think where we go wrong in life is not teaching young kids how to know themselves, how to be themselves. We expect them to mold into little minions doing as the adults please -- be good, be quiet, do good in school. There are more important things to figure out at young ages that can lead to a more fulfilling life (and contribute more positively to society because the world needs more happy people, not more well-behaved people).
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Post by lyn on May 10, 2017 11:15:18 GMT -5
Im with you, Chatter Fox . These so called milestones are baloney when you aren't being your authentic self. They mean nothing. I, too, learned a HUGE lesson with respect to listening to myself vs. of ticking off all the boxes. Had I listened, I wouldn't have married the roommate. This! At TMD - This statement right here is simple yet, profound. Getting to the point where we truly understand and KNOW that where we are, at this particular moment in our lives is a CHOICE. "make choices that reflect and honor who we are now" - Yes. We need to be true to ourselves. Be honest with ourselves - what are the choices we can make that HONOR who we are? Stay? Leave? Cheat? Which of these three choices honor who we are? I choose "leave". For me, the most seemingly difficult of the three choices - but it's actually the only choice (for me) that will honor and reflect who I am now. In the long run, this choice that seems the most difficult to pull off, is actually the easiest to pull off (long-term). Just takes a shift in thinking. thanks TMD - xx
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Post by lyn on May 10, 2017 11:27:46 GMT -5
With regard to the OP -
I don't think marriage is for everyone. It doesn't seem to be "for" my current H. But, I could def be wrong. He may have not met his "match" yet.
It's hard to even answer this question - or ponder it even without bias given the current state of most of our current "marriages".
Personally, it is going to be an up-hill battle for me to even trust somebody enough for an exclusive relationship let alone marriage again.
Doubtful I'll be making any more trips to the alter, but, my goal for the future is to be part of a mutually satisfying - beneficial, monogamous relationship with someone willing to treat me as I treat them. That's all I ask. Pretty simple
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