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Post by eternaloptimism on Feb 5, 2017 5:19:38 GMT -5
ok, so DARVO crops up a lot here, and in McRoomMate 's recent post it was suggested to start at thread where we can share our DARVO experiences. Well, here we are. Share away. I can't think of any of my own at the moment, but thought I'd start the thread as I've got a great mascot for it... every time someone mentions DARVO this guy pops into my head 😂
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Post by tamara68 on Feb 5, 2017 5:59:19 GMT -5
Looking back, I think my marriage was an ongoing DARVO experience. My stbx always twisted around everything. But he would say exactly the same about me. I have been googling about DARVO and found this shrink4men.com/2011/01/19/presto-change-o-darvo-deny-attack-and-reverse-victim-and-offender/It is informative, but if my stbx would read this he would immediately interpret it as a confirmation of the evil side of women, me in particular. Darvo Example. stbx was checking all the time to see if I obeyed his hygiene rules. Constantly asking "have you washed your hands?" . If I said it annoyed me that he asked that all the time, he would say he HAS to ask and check all the time because I do everything wrong usually. I should be glad he is so helpful to remind me of what I need to do because I forget everything if he doesn't tell me what to do. I should be thankful instead of annoyed. He denied sex and I stopped trying 13 years ago. when he touched my shoulder about a year ago, I wasn't very happy with that. So according to him I am the one who is rejecting him.
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Post by eternaloptimism on Feb 5, 2017 6:22:18 GMT -5
Looking back, I think my marriage was an ongoing DARVO experience. My stbx always twisted around everything. But he would say exactly the same about me. I have been googling about DARVO and found this shrink4men.com/2011/01/19/presto-change-o-darvo-deny-attack-and-reverse-victim-and-offender/It is informative, but if my stbx would read this he would immediately interpret it as a confirmation of the evil side of women, me in particular. Darvo Example. stbx was checking all the time to see if I obeyed his hygiene rules. Constantly asking "have you washed your hands?" . If I said it annoyed me that he asked that all the time, he would say he HAS to ask and check all the time because I do everything wrong usually. I should be glad he is so helpful to remind me of what I need to do because I forget everything if he doesn't tell me what to do. I should be thankful instead of annoyed. He denied sex and I stopped trying 13 years ago. when he touched my shoulder about a year ago, I wasn't very happy with that. So according to him I am the one who is rejecting him. You just can't win with some people can you. They make their own truth up. Im just not that skilled at pointing this out to him eloquently. Ive always said how clever my refuser is. But he never uses his intelligence to improve his/our family life. Only to manipulate me. And I've let him all these years. I now realise this.
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Post by tamara68 on Feb 5, 2017 6:28:27 GMT -5
You just can't win with some people can you. They make their own truth up. Im just not that skilled at pointing this out to him eloquently. Ive always said how clever my refuser is. But he never uses his intelligence to improve his/our family life. Only to manipulate me. And I've let him all these years. I now realise this. Exactly the same for me. My stbx lives his own truth and I don't want to be a part of his truth anymore. It is not easy to get out of this manipulation, but now you realise this, you have lifted the fog and eventually you will leave it all behind you.
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Post by eternaloptimism on Feb 5, 2017 6:50:53 GMT -5
You just can't win with some people can you. They make their own truth up. Im just not that skilled at pointing this out to him eloquently. Ive always said how clever my refuser is. But he never uses his intelligence to improve his/our family life. Only to manipulate me. And I've let him all these years. I now realise this. Exactly the same for me. My stbx lives his own truth and I don't want to be a part of his truth anymore. It is not easy to get out of this manipulation, but now you realise this, you have lifted the fog and eventually you will leave it all behind you. Thanks T... its not just me then I'm so aware of this ticking clock in my ear. This must be how women feel when they finally decide they need a baby but their eggs are running out!
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Post by tamara68 on Feb 5, 2017 7:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by McRoomMate on Feb 5, 2017 7:22:03 GMT -5
Looking back, I think my marriage was an ongoing DARVO experience. My stbx always twisted around everything. But he would say exactly the same about me. I have been googling about DARVO and found this shrink4men.com/2011/01/19/presto-change-o-darvo-deny-attack-and-reverse-victim-and-offender/It is informative, but if my stbx would read this he would immediately interpret it as a confirmation of the evil side of women, me in particular. Darvo Example. stbx was checking all the time to see if I obeyed his hygiene rules. Constantly asking "have you washed your hands?" . If I said it annoyed me that he asked that all the time, he would say he HAS to ask and check all the time because I do everything wrong usually. I should be glad he is so helpful to remind me of what I need to do because I forget everything if he doesn't tell me what to do. I should be thankful instead of annoyed. He denied sex and I stopped trying 13 years ago. when he touched my shoulder about a year ago, I wasn't very happy with that. So according to him I am the one who is rejecting him. It is just heart wrenching to read this. 13 years - oh me my. I cannot even imagine. Has your couple brought any happiness at all? STBX - does this divorce is in process? I pray courage to you and strength - really.
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Post by eternaloptimism on Feb 5, 2017 7:22:39 GMT -5
Yeah...the process of selecting the right trainers is taking a while though
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Post by tamara68 on Feb 5, 2017 8:04:56 GMT -5
Looking back, I think my marriage was an ongoing DARVO experience. My stbx always twisted around everything. But he would say exactly the same about me. I have been googling about DARVO and found this shrink4men.com/2011/01/19/presto-change-o-darvo-deny-attack-and-reverse-victim-and-offender/It is informative, but if my stbx would read this he would immediately interpret it as a confirmation of the evil side of women, me in particular. Darvo Example. stbx was checking all the time to see if I obeyed his hygiene rules. Constantly asking "have you washed your hands?" . If I said it annoyed me that he asked that all the time, he would say he HAS to ask and check all the time because I do everything wrong usually. I should be glad he is so helpful to remind me of what I need to do because I forget everything if he doesn't tell me what to do. I should be thankful instead of annoyed. He denied sex and I stopped trying 13 years ago. when he touched my shoulder about a year ago, I wasn't very happy with that. So according to him I am the one who is rejecting him. It is just heart wrenching to read this. 13 years - oh me my. I cannot even imagine. Has your couple brought any happiness at all? STBX - does this divorce is in process? I pray courage to you and strength - really. Last time we had sex (better said an attempt to have sex) was in 2001. I initiated several times after that but I stopped trying a few years later. Than all touch disappeared. And the last few years I was even considered to be too dirty to touch. Constantly I have got his message that I was not good enough. I was not doing my tasks well enough, I was insufficient for just about everything. I have tried to rebel which resulted in lots of verbal fights that made me feel angry and hopeless but never led to anything good. I have tried to convince myself that things are as you see it. I should simply look better at the good parts and be content. That didn't work either. There have been good moments in this marriage but not a lot. I have stayed so long because I thought I had to. This whole horrible marriage felt like running a marathon (several of them actually) with a block of concrete tied to my ankles. I have left my stbx in August last year, divorce is in progress but stbx is trying to make things as difficult as possible. (of course he says that I am the one causing all his problems). I can't wait till all is settled.
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Post by tamara68 on Feb 5, 2017 8:06:28 GMT -5
Yeah...the process of selecting the right trainers is taking a while though lol well at least you know that you want trainers and you know what you are going to use them for
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 10:14:28 GMT -5
Darvo Example. stbx was checking all the time to see if I obeyed his hygiene rules. Constantly asking "have you washed your hands?" . If I said it annoyed me that he asked that all the time, he would say he HAS to ask and check all the time because I do everything wrong usually. I should be glad he is so helpful to remind me of what I need to do because I forget everything if he doesn't tell me what to do. I should be thankful instead of annoyed. This is so familiar. When I told my STBX that I did not want her to say a particular insulting thing, she did it twice more & I left. She later told me that I had violated her boundary by leaving.
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Post by solodriver on Feb 6, 2017 14:22:12 GMT -5
ok, so DARVO crops up a lot here, and in McRoomMate 's recent post it was suggested to start at thread where we can share our DARVO experiences. Well, here we are. Share away. I can't think of any of my own at the moment, but thought I'd start the thread as I've got a great mascot for it... every time someone mentions DARVO this guy pops into my head 😂 Looks like a chess piece. DARVO to Rook! (BTW, I don't play chess but I watch games once in awhile)
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Post by greatcoastal on Feb 6, 2017 17:12:09 GMT -5
"Leaving a wet towel on the bed" Another DARVO? How can that be? Well....Does DARVO carry over into all other parts of your relationship? Not just the intimacy and sex.
My STBX and I have two towels in the bathroom, two different colors. I have intentionally gotten rid of the supply of towels. My STBX leaves her wet towel on the bed and leaves the house. I have repeatedly asked her not to do this in the past. It makes the bed spread, the sheets, the towel, the room, all smelly, damp, and musty.
We have separate rooms now, it doesn't affect her , it's not her problem, it's my bed, with her wet towel! So....I find her wet towel and lay it in a ball in her room , on her bed, every time. What does she do? Does she start hanging up her towel back in the bathroom? NO! She starts using my towel! Even if I just used it and it's damp, she will just wet it down more and leave it on the bed.
Since I still do the laundry I no longer supply her with a clean towel, and every morning I have to "hide" my towel in the closet to dry.
So here's the DARVO. Deny: There's no problem, it doesn't affect me. Argue: (avoid) shrug her shoulders, go hang it up, no apologies, no saying she's wrong, and then lay it back on the bed the next day! Reverse: "you can put it away, I don't have time, I need to go to work" Victim: : "you have plenty of time, I do everything around here, why can't you just do it" Offender: You won't even do something that simple for your wife, you don't love me.
Then comes the hypocrisy, and the example it sets for the family. The same kids who were raised/told to hang up wet towels, don't leave them on the bed, or the floor, or you will be punished. You have plenty of time, get up earlier, or don't take as long in the shower, you can wash all the towels in the house then if I find it again.
So when your spouse acts worse than the kids do, do you discipline them? No, it's a whole different playing field, they are an adult, a very narcissistic, manipulative one, and will commit DARVO on you every time.
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Post by eternaloptimism on Feb 7, 2017 0:26:50 GMT -5
ok, so DARVO crops up a lot here, and in McRoomMate 's recent post it was suggested to start at thread where we can share our DARVO experiences. Well, here we are. Share away. I can't think of any of my own at the moment, but thought I'd start the thread as I've got a great mascot for it... every time someone mentions DARVO this guy pops into my head 😂 Looks like a chess piece. DARVO to Rook! (BTW, I don't play chess but I watch games once in awhile) Ha ha. I'll show you a move or 2 SD Its DAVROS from doctor who btw !
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Post by solodriver on Feb 7, 2017 2:25:50 GMT -5
Looks like a chess piece. DARVO to Rook! (BTW, I don't play chess but I watch games once in awhile) Ha ha. I'll show you a move or 2 SD Its DAVROS from doctor who btw ! Hee hee. I'd love to see those moves EO.
Thanks for the info on DAVROS. It's been at least 50 years since I watched Doctor Who, lol!
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