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Post by callisto on Jan 10, 2017 2:12:52 GMT -5
Can anyone reassure me that it is possible to remain great friends with their spouse from their SM marriage after divorce/ separation?
Maybe even carry on living with them as beloved people/family members if not still attached as spouses?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 4:20:09 GMT -5
Hi Callisto. I can't reassure you, but I'm certainly hoping this is true. It's my ultimate goal with my husband. Releasing each other with love and no malice.
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Post by baza on Jan 10, 2017 5:15:13 GMT -5
Nor can I offer you any reassurance. If your spouse has behaved so poorly that you have had cause to get away from them, they are most unlikely to have a personality change.
But, for what it's worth, here's my experience. I left in October 2009, and as you might imagine, the conversation that led up to this were quite lively, and the mood in the house was unpleasant to say the least. And, in the immediate aftermath, my missus wasn't beyond making abusive phone calls or sending inflammatory text messages. However, she would find herself with dial tone only if such phone calls became abusive, and no responses to the texts.
Over a month or two, she twigged that her tactics were going nowhere. Then a mutual friend died, and I rang her up and suggested that as I was going to the funeral, we might as well go together. We did. Had some reasonable exchanges during this outing, and things began to thaw. To the extent when I travelled to the city to see the kids, I'd stay at the old marital home
Gradually a new relationship developed, based on the facts. That we had been married for years, and had two kids, but that was 'then' not now. I had also demonstrated good faith in our financial split up and had conducted myself with a reasonable degree of decorum through the whole process.
Oftentimes when I visited, we'd go out for a few beers and a feed, talk about old shit and generally behave like adults.
In April 2015 she took ill and died suddenly. Thank fuck we had made the peace before this rather permanent end to our deal. In fact I think that our relationship, post marriage, was probably "healthier" and more truth based, than it had ever been.
I would suggest this. If you are thinking you can have a trouble free parting you are probably kidding yourself. But, if you conduct yourself with dignity, with fairness and goodwill, then if your former spouse has any class about them at all, you will be able to thrash out a workable relationship. But it is very likely to get pretty lively before then.
So yeah, it is possible to remain friends, once the heat has died down. But the facts are that you control only your end of such a situation. If your former spouse chooses to remain a jerk, there is fuck all you can do about that.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jan 10, 2017 7:20:18 GMT -5
I can not reassure you about that. But I can testify that many of my worries, were just that. Worries that end up becoming a smaller concern. Think of how long you have peacefully gotten along,even if you where not getting along happily.
A strong factor facing me is my relationship with my oldest bio. child. (he's 18 yrs. old ) He became distant from both his parents around 15 yrs old. Much of it is due to his own personality problems and how he handles them. Now with the divorce comes a very difficult decision of loosing him entirely. There's always the hope that in the future things will get better. It will take someone else, and a whole lot of life lessons that he needs to learn.
I will be forced to give him the tough love that he needs. I also have to think about myself (and the other 5 kids) for once. Can I really handle that extra burden right now? Will I really manage to help him, or will it make things worse?
It's like the prodigal son story. There's only so much you can do. This also applies to what my relation will be like with my STBX.
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Post by bballgirl on Jan 10, 2017 7:28:59 GMT -5
My ex and I are friends. Not great friends but friends. He called me yesterday to talk about if I saw the football games Sunday, then of course we spoke about the kids some too. Last week he called me and I had to hold back breaking into tears and crying on the phone. I do still love him. I can't say that I'm in love with him because of the years of rejection and I don't really feel sexually attracted to him. I think if the kids were not in the picture there probably wouldn't be any contact. It's a very sad story. I am an example of what you describe though.
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Post by shamwow on Jan 10, 2017 7:35:30 GMT -5
I hope so since that is also my preferred endgame. I plan on trying to be as fair as possible financially and with custody.... and to keep my cool.
However there are two parties to this relationship. I've already accepted our marriage is over. I've been through denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. She still needs to be informed. I am guessing that it will be a hell of a ride for a while, but I've known this woman for a quarter century and believe this too shall pass.
At that point I hope we can be friends again, but I'm able to live with it if we cannot.
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Post by bballgirl on Jan 10, 2017 7:43:15 GMT -5
I hope so since that is also my preferred endgame. I plan on trying to be as fair as possible financially and with custody.... and to keep my cool. However there are two parties to this relationship. I've already accepted our marriage is over. I've been through denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. She still needs to be informed. I am guessing that it will be a hell of a ride for a while, but I've known this woman for a quarter century and believe this too shall pass. At that point I hope we can be friends again, but I'm able to live with it if we cannot. That is exactly right. I had already grieved the marriage but he didn't. The night I moved out, middle of the night - he was screaming at me and he was so angry but I stayed calm, I didn't yell back, I just loaded my car lifting heavy boxes while he watched and yelled and I drove away. A week later he calmed down. I basically kept telling myself he's angry because he's sad I'm leaving and I know it's true. I still deal with bouts of sadness when I think about what should have been because we really could have been great.
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Post by novembercomingfire on Jan 10, 2017 8:19:22 GMT -5
I hope so. All of the work that i do on myself is really directed more at this than at saving the marriage that i have. It may be didficult, but i think my wife knows that we are transitioning into a different sort of relationship - possibly (and if we are lucky) the one we had and should have kept to about 30 years ago.
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Post by ted on Jan 10, 2017 8:28:47 GMT -5
My wife and I have been separated for approximately three years, and are working on the divorce now. We're cordial, good co-parents, attend birthdays and other kids activities together, and generally conduct 'business' fine. She's business as usual and doesn't seem emotionally affected by the change in our relationship. That's consistent with her indifference during the SM, I guess.
I can't imagine wishing and hoping we'll be friends. I die inside every time we interact, sometimes cry, avoid eye contact, avoid looking at her body. It's all too painful a reminder of a torturous 15 years. I hoped and tried so hard for so long, and still it didn't work. I wish it could be completely out-of-sight out-of-mind now, but it will never be, because we have four wonderful kids.
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Post by shamwow on Jan 10, 2017 9:33:15 GMT -5
My wife and I have been separated for approximately three years, and are working on the divorce now. We're cordial, good co-parents, attend birthdays and other kids activities together, and generally conduct 'business' fine. She's business as usual and doesn't seem emotionally affected by the change in our relationship. That's consistent with her indifference during the SM, I guess. I can't imagine wishing and hoping we'll be friends. I die inside every time we interact, sometimes cry, avoid eye contact, avoid looking at her body. It's all too painful a reminder of a torturous 15 years. I hoped and tried so hard for so long, and still it didn't work. I wish it could be completely out-of-sight out-of-mind now, but it will never be, because we have four wonderful kids. I'm sorry to hear that, Ted. Hopefully, over time the pain will fade. In the meantime, count your blessings that your relations are at least cordial. It could be much worse.
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Post by worksforme2 on Jan 10, 2017 10:02:50 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself and reiterate what others have said about you only being able to control your half of the post marriage relationship. My X and I are remain good friends. Her well being and happiness is still important to me. We attend the same church and often see each other at get togethers with shared friends. When she has a maintenance problem with her house or auto she calls me. We date some and often spend an afternoon together in the summer riding my Harley to a wine tasting or some other activity. We kiss and are intimate,(I'm always hard at work getting her titties out into the light) and on rare occasions still have sex. So it is possible to come away from a very unhappy set of circumstances with a spouse and both of you find yourselves together in a better place. Like bbgirl I grieved for a marriage that should have been great for both us but wasn't. No one cannot assure you the post marriage will be smooth sailing, and personally I could not have continued to live with my X. It was simply too stressful for both of us. Me always wanting to pump my little swimmers in her and almost always being refused and for her having to deal with a spouse that she felt constantly wanted physical and emotional attention.
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Post by ted on Jan 10, 2017 10:04:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that, Ted. Hopefully, over time the pain will fade. In the meantime, count your blessings that your relations are at least cordial. It could be much worse. You're right, thank you for the reminder.
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Post by shamwow on Jan 10, 2017 10:18:35 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself and reiterate what others have said about you only being able to control your half of the post marriage relationship. My X and I are remain good friends. Her well being and happiness is still important to me. We attend the same church and often see each other at get togethers with shared friends. When she has a maintenance problem with her house or auto she calls me. We date some and often spend an afternoon together in the summer riding my Harley to a wine tasting or some other activity. We kiss and are intimate,(I'm always hard at work getting her titties out into the light) and on rare occasions still have sex. So it is possible to come away from a very unhappy set of circumstances with a spouse and both of you find yourselves together in a better place. Like bbgirl I grieved for a marriage that should have been great for both us but wasn't. No one cannot assure you the post marriage will be smooth sailing, and personally I could not have continued to live with my X. It was simply too stressful for both of us. Me always wanting to pump my little swimmers in her and almost always being refused and for her having to deal with a spouse that she felt constantly wanted physical and emotional attention. Well said. I think that most (if not all) of us grieve for something that should have been but wasn't. I'm still in it, but am no longer depressed about it. Just sad / disappointed at where it has led.
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Post by shamwow on Jan 10, 2017 10:19:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that, Ted. Hopefully, over time the pain will fade. In the meantime, count your blessings that your relations are at least cordial. It could be much worse. You're right, thank you for the reminder. That doesn't mean it doesn't hurt tremendously, though.
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Post by iceman on Jan 10, 2017 10:21:20 GMT -5
I hope so since that is also my preferred endgame. I plan on trying to be as fair as possible financially and with custody.... and to keep my cool. However there are two parties to this relationship. I've already accepted our marriage is over. I've been through denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. She still needs to be informed. I am guessing that it will be a hell of a ride for a while, but I've known this woman for a quarter century and believe this too shall pass. At that point I hope we can be friends again, but I'm able to live with it if we cannot. That is exactly right. I had already grieved the marriage but he didn't. The night I moved out, middle of the night - he was screaming at me and he was so angry but I stayed calm, I didn't yell back, I just loaded my car lifting heavy boxes while he watched and yelled and I drove away. A week later he calmed down. I basically kept telling myself he's angry because he's sad I'm leaving and I know it's true. I still deal with bouts of sadness when I think about what should have been because we really could have been great. That's what kills me - we should have been great. We have great kids, financial security, common interests and values. We live in an idyllic setting. We should be insanely happy but here we are. The whole thing sucks.
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