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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 20, 2016 12:09:12 GMT -5
I can see me spending much time talking to myself in the mirror to get a grip of this! Being used does get bloody exhausting doesn't it! Can I borrow your script ha ha xx Here's my script (and yes I practiced a lot): We said we were going to work on this, a year has gone by and neither of us have done a thing and I'm going to divorce you and I'm moving out. We aren't compatible anymore and really never were. Insert his rant - my response: (said very calmly) I agree which proves we are not compatible. Rehearsals shall commence ce soir xx
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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 20, 2016 12:11:51 GMT -5
Here's my script (and yes I practiced a lot): We said we were going to work on this, a year has gone by and neither of us have done a thing and I'm going to divorce you and I'm moving out. We aren't compatible anymore and really never were. Insert his rant - my response: (said very calmly) I agree which proves we are not compatible. Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh wait I sound like I'm having an orgasm, well I almost am because you're TELLING not ASKING. EO, I guarantee if you say you want to end the relationship he will grab you by the balls and pull you back in. It cannot be a request. It must be an announcement. And since in your case there is the possibility of violence, you would do well to also plan for your safety when the announcement is made, or if there will even be one, which is a whole other matter. But the point here is that if you communicate this as a request, in a month you'll wake up in the same situation and ask what the hell went wrong. This probably sounds very stupid. But so do a lot of my thoughts.... I'd actually relish the opportunity to punch him square in the nose if he tried to lay a finger on me. My hooks,jabs and uppercuts are pretty fuckin awesome at the moment.... and it's in the blood... my dad used to box. I'll be TELLING him alright xx
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 12:15:52 GMT -5
endthegame, that article should be required reading for every man on the planet.
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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 20, 2016 12:16:36 GMT -5
I had an individual therapy session yesterday where we discussed something similar after my therapist pointed out all of the seething resentment I am currently carrying around - I am usually not so vocally resentful. She told me about her preacher and how when he got up to speak one day, he admitted that what they see and what they like about him isn't possible without his wife. She makes it possible for him to be great at what he does by taking care of everything in the background. She said that sometimes, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I pointed out that while that is a lovely sentiment, the day of public recognition for my hard work in keeping the ship afloat will likely never come. And even at that, I am not allowed -in my current situation - to simply support him in his endeavors because I am too busy dredging myself out of bed, working a job I only marginally enjoy to help get us out of the financial mess we're in - not to mention, taking care of the house and the kids almost by myself. I am tired. I am stressed. My fingers are bloody nubs where I have chewed at my cuticles from the anxiety and stress of it all. I AM enabling him to be irresponsible with money because he refuses to open mail or talk about bills with me. The only way out of that is to drop him and make him swim on his own. I cannot right now because I need his extra money to shovel us out. I told the therapist that after this is over, I am pretty sure I have no choice to leave because I know that when life throws curve balls at us, he will just retreat. Even if/when we get through the financial mess, there will be something else that sucks and is hard on the horizon. I don't believe I have it in me to carry him anymore, even if it means public or private acknowledgment of my hard work. I am willing to be a help-mate. I am willing to be kind and careful and walk softly over sensitive subjects. I can enable someone through hard times. I just cannot do it anymore for someone that never gives or helps in return. I fucking hate money. Grr. Those little numbers that mean nothing to the elite few and everything to the rest. Keeping you stuck. You keep on keeping on. You have this so sussed. And "enabling" for the right person is good. You are right. We just chose badly last time round;) when 2 good souls get together they just enable each other to be better. Nice thought for the future! Xxx
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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 20, 2016 12:19:50 GMT -5
Fuck...I wish I could fast forward to where you are Granty! Reading and learning is a slow process. I've started though...so I'll finish xxx You'll get there! I go to Adult Children of Alcoholics & Dysfunctional Families - this was a big boost to me, to my growth (and - the dysfunction does not have to be from have an alcoholic parent - it seems that dysfunctional parents of most varieties end up making the same impacts on us kids). I also see a therapist. I also mindfully select whose stuff I view on FB (if it ain't positive & helpful, then I ain't very likely to engage with it - have dropped a lot of people on that site so as to not expose myself to their toxicity). Surprises for me included that the two grown women I thought were best friends turned out to be rather toxic - but I had not seen it when I was inside my marriage. I ended up wishing, a bit, that I had not confided a few things to them - things that belonged with my therapist only. But you WILL get through the learning curve! I know you will. You sound great GG. I'm aspiring to get where you are right now. I've begun dropping friends like that. They are exhausting. It's like once your eyes are opened to this you can really start to set your life on the right track. I'm glad I see it. This place is so ace!!! Xxx
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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 20, 2016 12:22:14 GMT -5
"Enabling" is the big buzz word these days and the problem I have with this is that it is an opportunity for others to absolve themselves of blame by pointing the finger at their spouse and saying "They are enabling me" (it's not my fault because they don't hold me accountable) I feel more of us are settling rather than enabling. We already blame ourselves for enough crap, we don't need to get blamed for not policing our marriages. Nothing can absolve these people. Whatever label we stick on it. They take take take. Using manipulation on kind souls should be punishable. It's definitely abuse. Definitely. Xx
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 13:06:40 GMT -5
"Enabling" is the big buzz word these days and the problem I have with this is that it is an opportunity for others to absolve themselves of blame by pointing the finger at their spouse and saying "They are enabling me" (it's not my fault because they don't hold me accountable) I feel more of us are settling rather than enabling. We already blame ourselves for enough crap, we don't need to get blamed for not policing our marriages. I think the difference between enabling and settling is manipulation. Addicts and parasites will find any way possible to avoid taking responsibility for their behavior. That's all enabling is, shielding someone from the consequences of their actions. But you are manipulated into enabling. Settling is a choice. Some here have settled. Others are the violins of some virtuosi manipulators.
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Post by ggold on Oct 20, 2016 14:45:58 GMT -5
eternaloptimism Since reading your post I am angry at myself. I continue to enable him. I know talking to him and sounding like a broken record will never change his feelings or attitude about this marriage. As far as he's concerned, he would live this way until the end. As long as I don't make an official move to divorce him, he wins. Each day it all stays status quo, he wins. Meanwhile, I get angrier and more bitter towards him. I lose. Fuck! I need strength girl!!!
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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 20, 2016 16:44:35 GMT -5
eternaloptimism Since reading your post I am angry at myself. I continue to enable him. I know talking to him and sounding like a broken record will never change his feelings or attitude about this marriage. As far as he's concerned, he would live this way until the end. As long as I don't make an official move to divorce him, he wins. Each day it all stays status quo, he wins. Meanwhile, I get angrier and more bitter towards him. I lose. Fuck! I need strength girl!!! Fucking shit balls girl. I'm exactly the same. Exactly. Irritates the hell out of me. Which is why we gotta keep our heads on straight and formulate plans. I'm mad too now xxxx
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Post by ggold on Oct 20, 2016 18:50:48 GMT -5
eternaloptimism Since reading your post I am angry at myself. I continue to enable him. I know talking to him and sounding like a broken record will never change his feelings or attitude about this marriage. As far as he's concerned, he would live this way until the end. As long as I don't make an official move to divorce him, he wins. Each day it all stays status quo, he wins. Meanwhile, I get angrier and more bitter towards him. I lose. Fuck! I need strength girl!!! Fucking shit balls girl. I'm exactly the same. Exactly. Irritates the hell out of me. Which is why we gotta keep our heads on straight and formulate plans. I'm mad too now xxxx We are soul sisters!!! I feel my head has been crooked for years!! lol! Yes, we can do it. Maybe we physically need to kick each other in the ass to get moving!! lol!!
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Post by baza on Oct 20, 2016 20:33:46 GMT -5
Do you want the "see a lawyer in your jurisdiction - - - - - -" spiel again Sister EO ?
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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 21, 2016 0:16:31 GMT -5
Do you want the "see a lawyer in your jurisdiction - - - - - -" spiel again Sister EO ? He he. No it's OK baza 😂 You told me already 😘Xx
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Post by eternaloptimism on Oct 21, 2016 0:19:56 GMT -5
Fucking shit balls girl. I'm exactly the same. Exactly. Irritates the hell out of me. Which is why we gotta keep our heads on straight and formulate plans. I'm mad too now xxxx We are soul sisters!!! I feel my head has been crooked for years!! lol! Yes, we can do it. Maybe we physically need to kick each other in the ass to get moving!! lol!! Gg where do you live again? I'll be over with my ass kicking shoes on X
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Post by endthegame on Oct 21, 2016 1:28:06 GMT -5
endthegame, that article should be required reading for every man on the planet. And men, EO's stoner hubby being a good example.
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