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Post by tinymouse on Jun 30, 2016 10:30:54 GMT -5
So my ex was always big. When I got with him, he was wearing size 42 pants. When I left him, he was up to size 56. So he was morbidly obese. Throughout the years he supposedly would try diets which usually consisted of him eating lean cuisine for lunch and dinner and then gorging like a pig on weekends. Now I'm tiny, as in I was actually a bit underweight and somehow we didn't really cook or at least I wouldn't actually cook for myself (I think a lot had to do with him getting me in the mindset that I couldnt). So I remember when he was on lean cuisine thing for several weeks, so that's what we both had. And it was starting to get to me. I got bored of them and it was just not enough for me. I asked him if maybe we could just start cooking that way and just do portion control so that it would be healthier, cheaper and taste better and would fit us better where he got what he needed and I would have enough for me. He flipped and stopped dieting. And for years after blamed not being able to lose weight on me. That I sabotaged him. Yeah, because I made hom cram 3 fast food cheeseburgers down his throat in one sitting on consistent basis. So... long story short. 6 years ago when I divorced him, he was claiming that now that he's rid of me, he's gonna get in shape. Ha. A recent photo shows that he is still as morbidly obese as he was. Guess it wasn't all my fault like he claimed. Wonder who he's blaming now... Btw, I am still thin and petite, although at a healthier weight than I was with him. And that's despite having a traveling job for a year and a half where I ate junk food every day of the week
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Post by lwoetin on Jun 30, 2016 11:19:08 GMT -5
Perhaps he forgot to exercise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 11:47:51 GMT -5
I'm watching someone in the throws of gluttony. He claims I eat more than he does. Is that possible?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 15:23:59 GMT -5
He's really enamored of his denial, isn't he tinymouse? Ugh. As someone who has struggled with weight loss as an adult, it makes me want to scream when people blame their spouses for their poor habits. Unless, the person is a food pusher or is using food to manipulate the relationship, our choices are...OUR CHOICES. Ultimately, we are each responsible for ourselves. While I can be irritated at h's ease in losing weight because he has a male metabolism, irritation won't burn any calories. I learned this mantra when I was studying for my group excercise certification "We lose weight in the KITCHEN. We strengthen our bodies and give our heart a workout in the gym." 75-90% of weight loss is nutrition and healthy lifestyle choices. Period. And processed meals? Ugh. Might As well eat salt right from the box. LOL Exercise is fantastic, but not an excuse to gorge on junk food. Damn, now, I want a cookie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 16:18:24 GMT -5
I'm watching someone in the throws of gluttony. He claims I eat more than he does. Is that possible? I can't tell if you're serious or joking? If serious, yes it's completely possible. For years I could eat smaller portions than other people but still be the same size or bigger. In college I exercised ALOT and didn't have that much time OR money to eat (and being as thin as possible was important to me, I took many exercise and nutrition classes so I know what I'm doing) and was my lowest adult weight but also not as thin as someone else with the same habits would be (5'7", 130 lbs was me, 115-120 is what I wanted to be at most). Turns out I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis which means not enough thyroid hormone. After I was adequately treated for that I could eat more than I did before and still lose weight. Different hormones/chemicals in the body = big difference in how easy it is to maintain or lose weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 16:51:10 GMT -5
I'm watching someone in the throws of gluttony. He claims I eat more than he does. Is that possible? I can't tell if you're serious or joking? If serious, yes it's completely possible. For years I could eat smaller portions than other people but still be the same size or bigger. In college I exercised ALOT and didn't have that much time OR money to eat (and being as thin as possible was important to me, I took many exercise and nutrition classes so I know what I'm doing) and was my lowest adult weight but also not as thin as someone else with the same habits would be (5'7", 130 lbs was me, 115-120 is what I wanted to be at most). Turns out I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis which means not enough thyroid hormone. After I was adequately treated for that I could eat more than I did before and still lose weight. Different hormones/chemicals in the body = big difference in how easy it is to maintain or lose weight. Helen, I understand and believe you. I've done a lot of personal experimentation as well, and against what my intuition was telling me, I found what @zumbamami mentioned above to be true. All the exercise in the world can't overcome excessive caloric intake or simple Bad Diet. And the wrong/bad caloric intake will definitely prevent you from even being able to do "All the Exercise in the World". You'll be worn out, tired, and sore, but you're not building muscle or increasing metabolism. Your body has nothing to run on and nothing to build with. So, you're just tired. But I was being serious and I had a specific case in mind. I have a friend that was a high school and collegiate athlete, and it appears he's trying to commit suicide with food. I've watched him stuff several HoHos into his gob and laugh. We go on sales calls, and he has to eat a couple sausage biscuits before we get on the road. When we stop for gas, there's usually a danish or fritter that works it's way down his throat. Then we buy the client lunch. And on the way home that same gas station danish is again calling to him. He's always on the Adkins diet. He hates vegetables and generally refuses to eat them. His wife has told my wife that she's found three empty Haagen Dazs Ice Cream quarts hidden under other garbage so as not to be caught. He tells me stuff about eating many small meals/day. So, I ask him about metabolic flexibility, and the medical fact that obese folk don't have it. They cannot handle being hungry. I've watched him get light headed and NEED to eat something mid-afternoon after a huge lunch. If I had to guess, I'd say he's got to be diabetic, but he says he's not. He's a stay up all night, sleep all day kind of guy and always was. And he HAS Kids younger than mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 17:24:11 GMT -5
BTW: I'm still trying to get my wife into an exercise program! I still haven't given up!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 17:51:34 GMT -5
@creelunion Right, I also believe what Z said is correct. I'm just adding that maybe 90% of your weight is diet and exercise and for someone like me, 80% is diet and exercise and 10-15% is chemical imbalance if it's not treated (when it is treated, I'm obviously back to a normal diet/exercise equation).
Your friend as you describe him may have other problems but clearly needs to manage his food intake. It sounds like he, in fact eats more than you (or same volume but higher calories/lower quality) and is in denial. I am not defending him. Although there are thin people who eat like that, at least until their metabolism changes and finally they have to learn about healthy habits to maintain a weight that was once effortless. Come to think of it, I wonder if that's your friend's problem, he just can't eat like an active teenage boy anymore without gaining weight?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 18:06:56 GMT -5
@creelunion Right, I also believe what Z said is correct. I'm just adding that maybe 90% of your weight is diet and exercise and for someone like me, 80% is diet and exercise and 10-15% is chemical imbalance if it's not treated (when it is treated, I'm obviously back to a normal diet/exercise equation). Your friend as you describe him may have other problems but clearly needs to manage his food intake. It sounds like he, in fact eats more than you (or same volume but higher calories/lower quality) and is in denial. I am not defending him. Although there are thin people who eat like that, at least until their metabolism changes and finally they have to learn about healthy habits to maintain a weight that was once effortless. Come to think of it, I wonder if that's your friend's problem, he just can't eat like an active teenage boy anymore without gaining weight? Absolutely. We all have different metabolism and differing capacity for exercise. Just as cars have different engines that consume different amounts of fuel and produce different amounts of power at differing efficiencies. And none of these engines are allowed to violate the laws of thermodynamics. I'm pretty sure he's depressed. I want to try to help him, but I have no idea what to do. It's complicated because it's a business relationship as well as personal. The massive food consumption has been coupled with some other somewhat bizarre behavior.
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Post by beguiledcinderella on Jul 2, 2016 10:07:17 GMT -5
We have a family friend staying with us right now. He was always overweight. His entire life he spent struggling to eat less and being miserable.
Then he discovered cycling. He cycles 100km per weekend day before noon. At that point he's tired enough that if his wife is up for a bike ride they are at about the same level.
He also became a spin instructor. He teaches spin classes after work 3-4 times per week.
He sold his big house and bought a small condo that's much easier to care for.
He can now eat pretty much whatever he wants. I'm guessing he burns 3-4000 calories most days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 10:55:02 GMT -5
BTW: I'm still trying to get my wife into an exercise program! I still haven't given up! Ok. Putting on my tough love bitch hat. Why are you doing this? W is responsible for her own health. Unless she's unable to make phone calls, Google fitness facilities in the area, or take a free group fitness class, you should not be "helping." When/If she wants to exercise, she will...or will not. Not your call, Young Padawan Unless, she's house-bound, then disregard my statement. As much as I want to take credit for knowing the "magic formula" of healthy eating to exercise, @helentishappy and @creelunion, I know the science behind it. Ad nauseum. LOL m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5207271.htmlWeight loss = lower calorie intake from good nutriroom Exercise = Strength, cardio vascular health, stress relief, and burning of food calories for a boost in weight management.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 11:44:44 GMT -5
BTW: I'm still trying to get my wife into an exercise program! I still haven't given up! Ok. Putting on my tough love bitch hat. Why are you doing this? W is responsible for her own health. Unless she's unable to make phone calls, Google fitness facilities in the area, or take a free group fitness class, you should not be "helping." When/If she wants to exercise, she will...or will not. Not your call, Young Padawan Unless, she's house-bound, then disregard my statement. As much as I want to take credit for knowing the "magic formula" of healthy eating to exercise, @helentishappy and @creelunion, I know the science behind it. Ad nauseum. LOL m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5207271.htmlWeight loss = lower calorie intake from good nutriroom Exercise = Strength, cardio vascular health, stress relief, and burning of food calories for a boost in weight management. Simple. Because if she's happy and healthy, it benefits me. I call it leadership. Or, if you prefer, rational self-interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 12:23:32 GMT -5
Ok. Putting on my tough love bitch hat. Why are you doing this? W is responsible for her own health. Unless she's unable to make phone calls, Google fitness facilities in the area, or take a free group fitness class, you should not be "helping." When/If she wants to exercise, she will...or will not. Not your call, Young Padawan Unless, she's house-bound, then disregard my statement. As much as I want to take credit for knowing the "magic formula" of healthy eating to exercise, @helentishappy and @creelunion, I know the science behind it. Ad nauseum. LOL m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5207271.htmlWeight loss = lower calorie intake from good nutriroom Exercise = Strength, cardio vascular health, stress relief, and burning of food calories for a boost in weight management. Simple. Because if she's happy and healthy, it benefits me. I call it leadership. Or, if you prefer, rational self-interest. Clearly, it works for y'all. Wishing you all the best in getting her back on the path to health and fitness. Hugs!
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Post by baza on Jul 4, 2016 1:53:31 GMT -5
Funny thing metabolism. Among my peer group, one of the uncomplimentary names I have is "The Bin". Earned by my ability to guts large quantities of food. If someone can't finish their meal, invariably someone will suggest - "Give it to "The Bin" - and I will dutifully polish it off for them. - I am about 5'10" (178 cm) and presently 80kg (175 lb) and basically always have been, although back when I boxed I was at 72 kg, and during the last highly stressful days of my ILIASM deal I dropped off to about 65kg. I recall going north of 90kg after a severe back injury curtailed my ability to move about much for a long time, but generally I'm at 80kg give or take. And about the only exercise I do is around 4 rounds of 3 minutes 2 or 3 times a week on the heavy bag. - I'm lucky in this respect. But what I do notice is that significant stress kills my appetite stone dead, and weight drops off real quick under those circumstances.
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