Post by mirrororchid on Mar 6, 2024 5:39:22 GMT -5
Reposting a summary of the red pill thought process from 2020 because there has been a run of video postings that cast a cynical eye upon women and relationships.
I find the clear-eyed view of flawed humanity useful and healthy, but the point at which I start ot grow concerned is where animosity comes in. Their utility is in recognizing the less ideal instincts and habits of the opposite sexes and navigating through or past them without anger or hostility. "Oh, that's just that limbic system primitive brain making men/women do stupid shit again."
Roll your eyes, wave your hand away at the tiresome, frankly embarrassing reflexes people have, and moving towards a conscious, constructive course of action.
Anyway, the essay:
"I flitted around the DeadBedroom Reddit forums and ran across red pill types.
Red pills need not be misogynist. The red pill refers to a plot device of the movie The Matrix in which Keanu Reeves' character is offered a red pill and blue one. The red pill disrupts the virtual reality interface humans are connected to and you wake up in a futuristic, dystopic world far less pleasant than the one you're in now. The blue one erases your memory of the past few hours and you forget any other world exists.
The incel world sees the old fashioned notion of sugar and spice and everything nice as the delusional world you should want to escape from. The blue pill.
The red pill is the reality that women are any number of unpleasant things.
I see it as swapping one sexist stereotype for another. All princesses or all shrews.
The problem with so many oversimplifications is that there's a grain of truth behind them.
Conniving, materialistic women surely exist.
Real sweethearts do too.
As do everything in between and shrews that can be sweet as pie on their better days and princesses that lose their minds at times.
A good red pill is someone who recognizes some of the common, less welcome traits found in (mostly American) women.
These traits can be caused by puritanical tradition, backlash against objectifying past and current behavior of men and media, and outright mental illness.
They get mixed with better traits everyone loves.
It's not misogynist to have a realistic outlook that women are flawed creatures. Every single one of them, with varying degrees of dysfunction. Fully acknowledging the exact same realistic outlook applies to the fellas.
Red pill misogynists focus on the complaints of the misandrist women (commonly synonymous in their world with feminists) producing the us versus them dynamic being lamented here.
Misandrist women lament the flaws of men as if tolerating flaws is asking too much, when it's the only option there is and the sense of entitlement is unbecoming and thoroughly repulsive (literally, not emotionally.)
Much of the behavior of red pill misogynists (recalling that realism need not result in misogyny) is fairly rational if you carry their mistaken assumptions to logical extremes.
Also of note are incels who try desperately to pair up with women, fail and secretly hate their heterosexuality and the refusers that inspire romantic and erotic longings.
Refusers, gently or cruelly, cause frustration and pain all while they cannot be expected to "take one for the team" to avoid damaging men's egos.
That said, the scorn heaped upon romantically unsuccessful men from both the women they woo and more successful men rubs salt in the wounds and produces worrisome anger, which is often held in yet more contempt. The observation that no one is entitled to sex is taken as an axiom. For those men on the lowest end of looks, intellect, or charm, this can come across as taunting and is a mental torture they endure. Not only have they not found love, they never will and the universe is working exactly as expected. What can be done about these hapless fellows, I'm not sure, but I feel I have good horse sense and a sympathetic heart to concern myself with their plight."
I find the clear-eyed view of flawed humanity useful and healthy, but the point at which I start ot grow concerned is where animosity comes in. Their utility is in recognizing the less ideal instincts and habits of the opposite sexes and navigating through or past them without anger or hostility. "Oh, that's just that limbic system primitive brain making men/women do stupid shit again."
Roll your eyes, wave your hand away at the tiresome, frankly embarrassing reflexes people have, and moving towards a conscious, constructive course of action.
Anyway, the essay:
"I flitted around the DeadBedroom Reddit forums and ran across red pill types.
Red pills need not be misogynist. The red pill refers to a plot device of the movie The Matrix in which Keanu Reeves' character is offered a red pill and blue one. The red pill disrupts the virtual reality interface humans are connected to and you wake up in a futuristic, dystopic world far less pleasant than the one you're in now. The blue one erases your memory of the past few hours and you forget any other world exists.
The incel world sees the old fashioned notion of sugar and spice and everything nice as the delusional world you should want to escape from. The blue pill.
The red pill is the reality that women are any number of unpleasant things.
I see it as swapping one sexist stereotype for another. All princesses or all shrews.
The problem with so many oversimplifications is that there's a grain of truth behind them.
Conniving, materialistic women surely exist.
Real sweethearts do too.
As do everything in between and shrews that can be sweet as pie on their better days and princesses that lose their minds at times.
A good red pill is someone who recognizes some of the common, less welcome traits found in (mostly American) women.
These traits can be caused by puritanical tradition, backlash against objectifying past and current behavior of men and media, and outright mental illness.
They get mixed with better traits everyone loves.
It's not misogynist to have a realistic outlook that women are flawed creatures. Every single one of them, with varying degrees of dysfunction. Fully acknowledging the exact same realistic outlook applies to the fellas.
Red pill misogynists focus on the complaints of the misandrist women (commonly synonymous in their world with feminists) producing the us versus them dynamic being lamented here.
Misandrist women lament the flaws of men as if tolerating flaws is asking too much, when it's the only option there is and the sense of entitlement is unbecoming and thoroughly repulsive (literally, not emotionally.)
Much of the behavior of red pill misogynists (recalling that realism need not result in misogyny) is fairly rational if you carry their mistaken assumptions to logical extremes.
Also of note are incels who try desperately to pair up with women, fail and secretly hate their heterosexuality and the refusers that inspire romantic and erotic longings.
Refusers, gently or cruelly, cause frustration and pain all while they cannot be expected to "take one for the team" to avoid damaging men's egos.
That said, the scorn heaped upon romantically unsuccessful men from both the women they woo and more successful men rubs salt in the wounds and produces worrisome anger, which is often held in yet more contempt. The observation that no one is entitled to sex is taken as an axiom. For those men on the lowest end of looks, intellect, or charm, this can come across as taunting and is a mental torture they endure. Not only have they not found love, they never will and the universe is working exactly as expected. What can be done about these hapless fellows, I'm not sure, but I feel I have good horse sense and a sympathetic heart to concern myself with their plight."
