maxlonely
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Post by maxlonely on Sept 23, 2023 12:34:50 GMT -5
It’s been 3 years since my wife and I have had sex or even touched each other.
I’ve tried initiating but she’s just not interested and has actively said she doesn’t want me to touch her.
She doesn’t ever want to talk about the lack of sex and I feel she just has turned off me and sex altogether.
I would like to ask the group if I should just give up and move on. I’m starting to disconnect due to lack of affection.
Our family life is stressful and our kids are a handful. I can see the impact of my wife and I’s relationship is not good on them.
Is it better to move on for the sake of my wife and kids. I have lost all connection with her.
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Post by toughtiger on Sept 23, 2023 14:50:22 GMT -5
Hello, Only you know your situation ... with kids/ finances/ length of marriage and such factoring in divorce or making it work.
Have you had a discussion about how you ended up where you are? is counseling an option? think there are so many ways a marriage can end up like this there is no one answer. You are right though that a point it is not good for kids to only see a bad marriage. was your previous intimate life good...
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Post by ironhamster on Sept 23, 2023 21:33:33 GMT -5
maxlonely, welcome to the club nobody wants to be a member of. Keep in mind, you have to live with the outcome of your decisions, even if your choice is to not decide. As such, you need to weigh your options. From what I have seen, once a marriage has been sexless for two years, the odds of it healing are so close to zero that they might as well be zero. You are miserable without affection, and you are currently paired with a woman that doesn't want to give you affection. There may be reasons for this, but, my guess is she has not addressed why, so she is comfortable with the lack of sex. If you are at that stalemate, you have five options. 1. Stay, and be miserable. 2. Stay, and push her to do things she doesn't want to do. 3. Stay, and get your needs met outside the relationship with her permission. 4. Stay, but get your needs met outside the relationship without permission. 5. Leave, because the relationship is not meeting your needs and it's the honest thing to do.
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Post by h on Sept 24, 2023 6:19:58 GMT -5
If you can see your relationship dynamic is clearly affecting your kids, that should be your answer right there. You and your wife are setting a terrible example for them of what marriage looks like. Would you want your children to grow up and have marriages like yours? By staying together like this, you are telling your children that they should expect to live the same way when they get older. Maybe you should talk to your wife about it from this perspective.
As always, obey the word of baza and see a lawyer before any discussion about divorce with your spouse.
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Post by Apocrypha on Sept 26, 2023 11:44:16 GMT -5
It’s been 3 years since my wife and I have had sex or even touched each other. I’ve tried initiating but she’s just not interested and has actively said she doesn’t want me to touch her. She doesn’t ever want to talk about the lack of sex and I feel she just has turned off me and sex altogether. I would like to ask the group if I should just give up and move on. I’m starting to disconnect due to lack of affection. Our family life is stressful and our kids are a handful. I can see the impact of my wife and I’s relationship is not good on them. Is it better to move on for the sake of my wife and kids. I have lost all connection with her Instead of starting with the presence and frequency or quality of sexual activity, consider that to be one of likely several downstream results. What do each of you think a marriage is? What did you sign up for? What kinds of things differentiate a married relationship from other close relationships - romantic or otherwise. Consider: Parent/child, friends, roommates, amicable ex-spouse/co-parent, business partner, boyfriend/girlfriend. Yes you had a wedding - but what would you both agree differentiates a marriage from those other relationships? Do you have those things? Would you agree that whatever you have now is not really a marriage, based on what you agree a marriage to be? If that's the case, where did it go off? Is it that she knows something about you now or has seen something that she didn't before - something that has made her withdraw to the point that she no longer sees you as a viable sexual partner? Is it more that she finds herself in a situation (marriage) that she doesn't actually want to be in, so it's the circumstance itself that makes her feel trapped with you as the jailor? Where did things fall off? 3 years ago - did something happen then? Think back to maybe 4-5 years, or even to the beginning of the marriage.
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Post by dumbsweede on Sept 26, 2023 13:12:13 GMT -5
Ouch. No touch at all, that's hardcore. I guess - and I really do not take and pleasure in saying this - that if she is not willing to even talk about your relationship issues, all hope is gone. That said, this might not be the entire case. Maybe she's not completely closed off to all forms of conversation and problem solving. I do not know and of you, so I dont know anything about your dynamics. She could be refusing talking to you because she knows that there is no price tag connected to that type of behaviour. If she's used to getting away with just turning her back to the discussion, why not continue? If you manage to get her to understand that not adressing problems is not an option, that you actually will leave if she's not even willing to hear you out (which is the least one can ask of and relationship), maybe then she'll come around. Not that that would solve your sex problem, but at least you'd be able to talk about it AS the problem that it is. But then, on the other hand, if she continues to refuse talking to you, this strategy forces you to actually leave. If she calls your bluff, you better make sure it isn't.
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Post by mirrororchid on Sept 27, 2023 6:14:23 GMT -5
Afraid it's broken record time with nobody's favorite tune: "The ILIASM Two-Step" 1) Obey the Baza. 2) Have "The Talk"If you divorce, it's her choice. You will likely always have a connection with her; a co-parent. She seems to want you to co-parent with her while having sex with someone else. Is there a reason to wait to bring that about? She's setting you up for an affair. Perhaps opening teh marriage will force her hand. Much of the punch of an affair is removed when the spouse was aware it was about to happen and did nothing to stop it. It isn't teh story the refuser wants to tell. They want you to have all the blame. If they knew in advance, uncomfortable questions will result. Yes, you get blame for refusing to be celibate, but people will not see her as blameless. You may be a skunk, but she's "not all there" if she expected non-consensual celibacy to fly. "Ice queen" is not the rep she wants. Refusers want the "martyr" label, and expect the refused to oblige. If I may, I'd like to tweak ironhamsters chjoices: "3. Stay, and get your needs met outside the relationship with her permission awareness. 4. Stay, but get your needs met outside the relationship without permission. awareness." You could throw in option 3a: "3a. Stay, and get your needs met outside the relationship with her awareness and permission/consent/approval. If you don't get permission, you can do it anyway. She can make her own informed decision at that point. Fix things between you, divorce, or let it happen (tacit approval). Ball is in her court. You're fine with any of the three, the first being the Holy Grail.
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maxlonely
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Post by maxlonely on Sept 27, 2023 7:11:24 GMT -5
Hello, Only you know your situation ... with kids/ finances/ length of marriage and such factoring in divorce or making it work. Have you had a discussion about how you ended up where you are? is counseling an option? think there are so many ways a marriage can end up like this there is no one answer. You are right though that a point it is not good for kids to only see a bad marriage. was your previous intimate life good... I’ve got friends that are divorced and it seems worse on the other side. I think troubles with our kids and us not seeing eye to eye on parenting causes friction. We tried counselling with little success I just feel the pressure of the kids and her work leaves little room for discussions about intimacy. When it’s brought up I’m almost made to feel guilty that I can even think about that when life issues are so challenging. To tell you the truth they aren’t really.. teenage kids and work stresses surely are just standard things.
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maxlonely
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Post by maxlonely on Sept 27, 2023 7:35:13 GMT -5
If you can see your relationship dynamic is clearly affecting your kids, that should be your answer right there. You and your wife are setting a terrible example for them of what marriage looks like. Would you want your children to grow up and have marriages like yours? By staying together like this, you are telling your children that they should expect to live the same way when they get older. Maybe you should talk to your wife about it from this perspective. As always, obey the word of baza and see a lawyer before any discussion about divorce with your spouse. The problem I have is their mother is not a very competent mother and parent. She’s very loose with discipline and the kids direction. I feel I need to be more present for their sake. This is why I am holding on.
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Post by worksforme2 on Sept 27, 2023 7:43:08 GMT -5
I’ve got friends that are divorced and it seems worse on the other side. I think troubles with our kids and us not seeing eye to eye on parenting causes friction. We tried counselling with little success I just feel the pressure of the kids and her work leaves little room for discussions about intimacy. When it’s brought up I’m almost made to feel guilty that I can even think about that when life issues are so challenging. To tell you the truth they aren’t really.. teenage kids and work stresses surely are just standard things. perhaps it is your children that need the therapy. Teen girls can be a handful as can boys. But they should not be threating the marriage. And if her work is so stressful it destroyes any thoughts about intimacy, perhaps she should consider finding different employment.
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Post by toughtiger on Sept 27, 2023 8:49:05 GMT -5
I’ve got friends that are divorced and it seems worse on the other side. I think troubles with our kids and us not seeing eye to eye on parenting causes friction. We tried counselling with little success I just feel the pressure of the kids and her work leaves little room for discussions about intimacy. When it’s brought up I’m almost made to feel guilty that I can even think about that when life issues are so challenging. To tell you the truth they aren’t really.. teenage kids and work stresses surely are just standard things. I have seen people really worse off after a divorce and for all those here and elsewhere that are thrilled with life after that has not been my observation.... i do not hold a lot of faith in counseling because finding the right fit or a person that can make both parties see things in different angles is like winning a the lottery can happen but the odds are against it. As a person here wrote to me if sex and intimacy is what you expect out of a marriage and that is gone they broke the deal... do not let her make you feel bad for wanting intimacy... that IMO is a way to keep you quiet instead of dealing with the issue. Mine also wants me to feel bad/ guilty/ selfish for asking for my needs for intimacy to be met. I think it is deflection so they do not have to really think about and deal with the situation... teens are hard as if they see a difference in parenting and any riff they play it to their advantage .... the more you are focused on your problems the less likely you will see some item they are doing.
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Post by ironhamster on Sept 27, 2023 18:48:34 GMT -5
maxlonely, Divorce is usually a very unhappy process, but about 90% of those that found their way here, and divorced, are happier afterward. For most of my life I thought of divorce as failure. But, marriage is a relationship between two people, and it only takes one participant to kill that relationship. The divorce doesn't kill the relationship. It's only the paperwork confirming what has already ended it. The judge we got didn't like me. I suffered pretty harshly under his edicts, but I was still happier out than in, and even more so now that my court ordered obligations are over.
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Post by mirrororchid on Sept 27, 2023 19:11:25 GMT -5
ToughTiger and Maxlonely's observations seem to indicate divorces are pretty unhappy things. Since we've found 90% of escapees from sexless marriages are happier, it makes me think that couples that have sex find that life outside marriage isn't better than being single. Plausible. Both could be accurate. Sexless marriages are notably worse than average. Not a tough sell, I'd think. Maxlonely. Anything other than the discipline issue? When it comes to criticizing your spouse's parenting, it's usually the other way around. Just checking...you don't want to be paternal gatekeeping. www.drpsychmom.com/2014/07/18/reader-q-a-with-dr-psych-mom-when-will-my-husband-grow-up/Maybe she, herself, had bad experiences with parental discipline?
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maxlonely
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Post by maxlonely on Dec 19, 2023 17:05:43 GMT -5
Have you had a discussion about how you ended up where you are? is counseling an option? think there are so many ways a marriage can end up like this there is no one answer. You are right though that a point it is not good for kids to only see a bad marriage. was your previous intimate life good... - Shes not interested in chatting about sex or lack of it. She hates even speaking about it. - She is not interested in counseliing - I have not had any serious relationships but the one I am in. I have no experience at all basically.
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maxlonely
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Post by maxlonely on Dec 19, 2023 17:09:01 GMT -5
maxlonely , welcome to the club nobody wants to be a member of. Keep in mind, you have to live with the outcome of your decisions, even if your choice is to not decide. As such, you need to weigh your options. From what I have seen, once a marriage has been sexless for two years, the odds of it healing are so close to zero that they might as well be zero. You are miserable without affection, and you are currently paired with a woman that doesn't want to give you affection. There may be reasons for this, but, my guess is she has not addressed why, so she is comfortable with the lack of sex. If you are at that stalemate, you have five options. 1. Stay, and be miserable. 2. Stay, and push her to do things she doesn't want to do. 3. Stay, and get your needs met outside the relationship with her permission. 4. Stay, but get your needs met outside the relationship without permission. 5. Leave, because the relationship is not meeting your needs and it's the honest thing to do. We have some serious issues with our kids so I think Option 4 is my best bet. thanks for the advice here.. love it
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