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Post by lr79 on Sept 8, 2023 13:34:50 GMT -5
Hey
Desperately seeking support as feeling at a seriously low ebb right now with no real way out or solution in sight :-(
I am a 44 year old man, been married for 9 years and together with wife for nearly 14 years (wife is 39)
But it has been 2 years since we had sex and other intimacy like kissing/cuddling etc is pretty much nil
reasons for this include
Am i attracted to her - in reality no as she wears big pants and never wears sexy underwear (and before anyone says try asking her I've got more chance of winning miss world then getting her to do that)
Resentment - I have wanted a family since i was a kid myself and it is all i have ever wanted i don't care about having high paid job am happy with job level i have - i thought and was led to believe when we got married we would have out family pretty soon after - at this point in 2016 she decided she wanted to go to university and get a nursing career hence we are still no nearer and to be honest large parts of me have given up hope of it ever happening because babies don't come by immaculate conception do they!
shes not on birth control (was on implant until a year or 2 ago and is not entertaining the idea on the basis she keeps saying she wants family (but has been saying this for years and it never happens) and i cannot for the life of me get on with condoms (lack of experience/confidence costing me again) and yes there has been 1 or 2 uses of viagra which has worked
confidence - she has pretty much been the only woman i have ever been with in my younger years i was knocked back and made to feel like i was repulsively ugly and never good enough to find a girl so i am not the most experienced sexually and there have been times where its been a disaster between us because i don't always manage to keep it up, which then leads her to believe i dont fancy her anymore and she then never is interested
I quite often get the impression she doesn't remotely see our lack of sex as an issue she caught me searching about sexless marriage on facebook and we had an argument about it so its pointless talking to her about it and sometimes when i feel confident enough to try and initiate other initmacy like kissing and cuddling she says no either coz its too warm weather/temperature wise as i can be hot to touch, or she moans if i have a few days stubble when i havent shaved
I am also massively jealous of other guys who have much more attractive partners, and have much more sex - i was triggered by this today seeing a few of the girls in our office who i would like in that way - hence am resisting doing something daft like taking an overdose of painkillers as i type this because i just dont see things ever getting better because i am either stuck like this sexless and no children or i separate and divorce and have convinced myself i will never find anyone else who would want me for about a million reasons
I am also massively jealous or envious of people who have partners who dress in skimpier clothing and sexy underwear, as i mentioned she doesn't remotely do that i think the most radical thing she would do is wear black bra and pants instead of white and she is a bit of a plain jane who rarely dresses up nice (and yes i did know this for most of our relationship but have just settled because i will never get anyone else)
i feel so embarrassed and ashamed about the lack of experience and lack of sex i have or have ever had - if any conversations start about it i just want ground to swallow me up
just wondering whats wrong with me (have suffered despression most of my life so that probably doesn't help)
just wondered if anyone has any advice
thanks for reading
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Post by m76 on Sept 8, 2023 13:53:56 GMT -5
I'm surprised that you've mentioned that you don't find your wife attractive. Usually that's not an issue at all, but the bigger hurdle I see is that you want kids and she doesn't. I really don't know how that can be overcome. Maybe she doesn't want to be pregnant, womens body's go through big changes and she may not want that. If she's open to raising kids, maybe adoption is an option. That's definitely something you'll need to work out together.
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Post by lr79 on Sept 8, 2023 14:06:16 GMT -5
I'm surprised that you've mentioned that you don't find your wife attractive. Usually that's not an issue at all, but the bigger hurdle I see is that you want kids and she doesn't. I really don't know how that can be overcome. Maybe she doesn't want to be pregnant, womens body's go through big changes and she may not want that. If she's open to raising kids, maybe adoption is an option. That's definitely something you'll need to work out together. i'd rather not do the adoption route as feel like i would just be waiting for the child to find their real parents one day and the lack of a bond, and because have child of my own is everything, and i mean everything to me the lack of attraction i have for her is probably to do with what i mentioned before ie never does sexy underwear/revealing clothing - me trying to ask her that - i'd stand more chance of getting blood out of a stone its literally a case of how i wish i could have this part of my life ie love and sex all over again coz have endless regrets that i didn't put myself out there or try my chances with some potential women in my younger days - or wish i was a cheat - cheating goes against all my principles but when i am stuck like this whats that worth - nothing
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Post by toughtiger on Sept 8, 2023 14:55:20 GMT -5
Hello and welcome to the forum...
A woman needs to feel a reason or enjoy it herself to buy and wear matching sets and fancy underwear .... news flash most of that is not comfortable but meant to be taken off quickly.
Perhaps your lack of attraction to her is based more on the resentment and feeling you settled. Frankly you do not need to explain why to anyone else but yourself ... when i have been mad at spouse ( when we did have sex) during those upset or mad times i found him repulsive.
it is hard to stay aroused and willing to explore together when there is anger or resentment on any other issue .... that is not something we can set aside on the nightstand when we are being intimate.
At her age the time to have a child is near ending and it may be hard to conceive ( impossible without sex). you also have been hard on yourself....... if you gave yourself a break and build your confidence in yourself.... you become more attractive to others.
The men i have been attracted to would most likely not be someone else cup of tea but it was personality and charm that made me take the second look it is not so superficial as their outward appearance. Do not be jealous of others around you even if they pretend otherwise i bet a few are not happy in the bedroom either.
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Post by northstarmom on Sept 8, 2023 16:01:54 GMT -5
lr79, Welcome!
It's unclear why you are staying in this marriage. If you want kids who are biologically yours, you aren't going to have them with a woman who has refused to have sex for two years and now is 39 and aging out of the ability to get pregnant.
Unfortunately, there's no magic bullet to make your wife interested in sex with you. One of my friends, a reproductive endocrinologist, told me that she has had hetero married couples who wanted pregnancy to occur via artificial insemination of the husband's sperm. She didn't ask them why, but did the procedure. So, yes, you could choose to reproduce this way -- if your wife is willing to get pregnant.
Maybe you can even get her to have sex in order to get pregnant, but if you read the stories on this site, you'll see that for many in SM, the only time their spouse was amenable to sex was when the spouse wanted a pregnancy to happen. The interest in sex typically ended as soon as the pregnancy occurred.
I'm curious about why you've stayed with her so long and have been letting the clock run out on her fertility. From what you've posted she doesn't seem interested in becoming a parent or having sex with you. Are you concerned that if you divorce, you won't be able to find another partner?
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Post by blunder8 on Sept 8, 2023 16:49:24 GMT -5
First, work on your self confidence. It's crippling your ability to project to your wife -- or a future partner-- the confidence and desirability factor needed. I know that's easier said than done, but monitor your self talk and flush those negative thoughts about yourself away. Take steps to improve yourself every day. People will notice.
Next, if you don't find your wife desirable, and she has no interest in either sex or children, i'd say you are a very lucky man. You are not tethered by children and realize now that you're not compatible.
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Post by gdindy56 on Sept 8, 2023 19:06:47 GMT -5
After reading it’s scary how many guys have many of the same issues
One thing you mentioned caught my eyes the most - you’d said that during sex you’ve had your dick not stay up, and then she brings that up which makes it 10000% worse - of course she stupidly blames you for not having an interest in her, meaning she even more so doesn’t want you in her or near her.
Mine has said that before ( but of course never thinks maybe she could help keep it up or vary what we do so I’d get more stimulation to keep him up)
Women seem to always say well if a guys not rock hard all the time it’s his lack of interest
You’re not alone in this - I wish I could keep it up as I wish but it’s 67 yrs old
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Post by aquacat on Sept 9, 2023 7:23:45 GMT -5
Why are you still with her?
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Post by lr79 on Sept 9, 2023 7:49:08 GMT -5
why am i still with her seems to be the main question among you guys so will answer it as best i can with the following reasons
1) am 100% convinced I would NEVER find anyone else who would want me 2) won't get me any nearer having baby which is my dream, not like i would find anyone else but even if i did would be at least a year or 2 away 3) asset involved as we bought house 2 years ago so feel like would have nothing to show for it money wise if we separate as money from house would be swallowed up with legal fees/splitting 50/50 etc 4) not that i feel i appeal to anyone anyway but even less so 44/45 year old divorcee
the jealousy thing is a real crippler in my dark days - just feel jealous of a lot of people who have families, good sex lives, guys who are better looking than me, guys who have women that wear nice underwear, nice clothing etc
put it this way if i could live my life again i would totally do things differently, try to make myself better looking, be the guy who can actually approach a girl in a bar/club and chat her up (coz thats something I am totally incapable of doing)
I simply don't belong in life - thats how i feel
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Post by anotherdavid on Sept 9, 2023 8:12:11 GMT -5
Sorry to read your post @ir79
If you can afford it, maybe get some therapy my friend, many on here have and personally I've been working through this stuff with counselling for a good while. I find it really helpful.
Many of the things you have said are IMO beliefs; i.e. something you believe to be true but with outside perspective you can often come to see that is just not true. EG 1) am 100% convinced I would NEVER find anyone else who would want me. How do you know that is true?
Overcoming unhelpful beliefs can often free up our thinking so we stop feeling like victims and start to see possibility.
If you can't afford that then books and youtube can be brilliant - Byron Katie is a great place to start.
Obviously other than personal experience I am not qualified to offer you any advice so feel free to ignore 😀
Good luck.
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Post by mirrororchid on Sept 26, 2023 5:30:16 GMT -5
Hm. This letter-number name format is having a good run. I'm nor sure he's been back since writing this, but I didn't see it until two days ago for some reason. Following up on toughtiger concerning sexy underwear, your wife's practical side, I think, is the norm. The outliers are the ones you are noticing. Do some people-watching at a park or shopping mall and ask yourself whether every single woman has sexy underwear on. The old women, the mom with three kids in tow. I'm wondering if you see women with your mind, instead of your eyes. This made me wonder if your skewed impression of the fairer sex comes from entertainment sources not known for portraying accurate human lives. These movie studios commonly exaggerate the frequency that women garb themselves in wearable art forms with underwire as its medium. You say you're depressed. Has that had any effect on your self-care? Your health. The need for Viagra at 44 may indicate medical issues underlying. It may also suggest a dependence on that entertainment mentioned. When in a sexless marriage, though, one can ask 'What's the point?'. Addressing depression can help initiate whatever changes may be necessary to pursue one of more strategies for getting a mother for your children, if that is your sole north star. Given your timeframe, I'd recommend both self-improvement and lower your standards in order to accelerate any strategy. Also, be convinced that having a child is worth tossing good things you do have with your wife which you may improve upon, for a longshot that may not happen. Regret would be a bitch, but you can also regret not trying. Shying away from what you say is your #1 life goal has led you where you are. Either toss the goal, or toss the life. The two are opposites. You cannot have both. Embrace either and be okay with the possibility of disaster. Family is everything to you? Everything? At 39 mothers have children at risk of disadvantages. Convincing her to launch a family into the difficult environment you find yourself in may be Herculean and take long enough that those odds become intractable to her mind, even if not to yours. You met her at 30/25. Married at 35/30. 9 years later, still beating the drum of baby, baby? There are three choices here, I feel. 1) Abandon the idea of children of your own. Or at least set a deadline beyond which it's no longer sane to keep tormenting yourself for life goals not met. 2) Divorce, move overseas to an impoverished land. Marry a woman of child bearing age, 20 years your junior who may find your economic advantages worth exchanging for a mate more conventionally matched to her. 3) Bankroll a lesbian couple to accept you as the donor and provide a third income to support your child. (half serious, here. Your options are tough to come by) If you're wealthy you may be able to pull this off domestically, but that wasn't the impression I got. Option #2 strikes me as the likeliest method by which to achieve natural fatherhood. In both cases, it sounds as though you might benefit from therapy and medicine to help with the depression. I also have to wonder about the odd disconnect between wanting an attractive lingerie model when you see yourself as ugly (even if it is internalized abuse of others.) Toughtiger says charm counts for a lot, and it does, but statistics do too. People generally do sort out at "their level", as sad as that may be to say for our supposedly sophisticated species. Charm and other goodies can boost you a few points, but many men see that as lifting their "best possible" candidates, where it could be wiser to see it as bringing a much larger volume of women into "good" territory. The less you try to land a "prize" the more likely your mate will be the one to think she is the lucky one. It may be your wife is well within your "league", under wear or not, but the possibility of better is ruining your chances to allow the two of you to be satisfied with each other. You're here at ILIASM so it could take a while before she achieves that level of relationship. You too, plausibly. Arguably, if you looked after yourself, divorced your wife, and located a woman in her last healthy fertile years who is well beneath you, looks wise. She may desperately want children of her own, find you quite acceptable in every other way, and see your advanced age as the compromise she must make because she is out of time. How bad do you want those kids? Some portion of your ideals must be left behind. (homeowner, minimum beauty, living in a modern Western country, etc.)
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Post by worksforme2 on Sept 26, 2023 10:11:19 GMT -5
You’re not alone in this - I wish I could keep it up as I wish but it’s 67 yrs old I suggest you read my theme...TriMix, It's a steep learning curve. Then have your doctor refer you to a urologist. Good luck.
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Post by Apocrypha on Sept 26, 2023 11:16:00 GMT -5
I am a 44 year old man, been married for 9 years and together with wife for nearly 14 years (wife is 39) 1. But it has been 2 years since we had sex and other intimacy like kissing/cuddling etc is pretty much nil 2. Am i attracted to her - in reality no 3. Resentment - I thought and was led to believe when we got married we would have out family pretty soon after 4. confidence - she has pretty much been the only woman i have ever been with in my younger years i was knocked back and made to feel like i was repulsively ugly and never good enough to find a girl [...] i don't always manage to keep it up, which then leads her to believe i dont fancy her anymore and she then never is interested 5. sometimes when i feel confident enough to try and initiate other initmacy like kissing and cuddling she says no 6. I am also massively jealous of other guys who have much more attractive partners, and have much more sex - 7. "i was triggered by this today seeing a few of the girls in our office who i would like in that way - hence am resisting doing something daft like taking an overdose of painkillers as i type this" because i just dont see things ever getting better because i am either stuck like this sexless and no children or i separate and divorce and have convinced myself 8. i will never find anyone else who would want me for about a million reasons 9. I am also massively jealous or envious of people who have partners who dress in skimpier clothing and sexy underwear, as i mentioned she doesn't remotely do that i think the most radical thing she would do is wear black bra and pants instead of white and she is a bit of a plain jane who rarely dresses up nice (and yes i did know this for most of our relationship but have just settled because i will never get anyone else) Thanks for your note of introduction. There's a lot to go over, but I've pulled out some items that are of particular interest to me. Some observations: First, you don't want to kill yourself. You just want an end to the feeling of being trapped in your present circumstance. I can assure you that your circumstance can change, and that pretty much any change is better or offers hope over killing yourself. It's not unusual to have suicidal ideation, or death ideation. I kept wanting a meteor to strike me out of the sky, but others want to take more active measures. You can go to a therapist and talk about your problems, but most men would rather kill themselves than talk about problems without actually DOING anything that gives them a feeling of control again over their lives. The way you phrased #7 and #8 has you posing yourself as someone who feels little control and who lives by the charity of others. It doesn't have to be this way. Second, you aren't attracted to your wife, and you've posed that you are with her now because you don't think anyone else (which might mean anyone better) would want you. It's possible she sees the "sexy underwear" as some kind of mask to put over herself. It's very unlikely that after 14 years, she's not aware of your lack of attraction. As such, she would likely interpret (correctly) that your sexual invitations to her were simply the result of you being horny, rather than about any unique sexual attraction between you. Some advice: I want you to look around your 44 year old peer group and consider the people who got divorced and did badly, and those who got divorced and did well. Look especially to the women. The prescription here is less about making demands on your partner, and more about becoming an interesting and attractive person YOURSELF. So, pretend you are going to be divorced in a year, and you need to make changes in your life to prepare. How would you go about that? 1. Confidence. This means doing something DIFFERENT than what you've done your whole life. Possibly doing the opposite of your inclinations. Wardrobe is an easy one to upgrade - lots to learn about men's timeless fashion rules, retire stuff that isn't working and get into stuff that fits you now. Hair: If you are balding to the point of being self conscious, it's time to get a shaver and take it down to 3mm. Don't hide it. If you have hair, get to a proper salon and ask them what you should do. Seek help in upgrading your look - share/explain to your stylist what your overall goal is, and they might get a sense of it. Physique: Getting into reasonable shape goes a long way. Find your exercise if you don't have one. Join something, and/or take up running and cycling. Invest in proper running shoes and download the Nike Running app. If you are actually a profoundly unhandsome man, you can improve your lot considerably by becoming VERY fit - but this will involve more commitment. Details: How are your teeth, nails. The level of care you attend to with these is a signifier as to the level of care you may attend to other things. Invest in your teeth if it's something you are self-conscious about. In short, be mindful of the things you are self-conscious about and then do things to change those things so that you no longer feel self-conscious about them. Update yourself so you can feel good enough on a first date with someone totally new. You might or might not do that eventually, but you owe to yourself the best version of yourself that you can be.. 2. Be an interesting person. An interesting person has interests. What are your hobbies? If you don't have any, find one! Hopefully one that gives you skills you don't have - music, cooking, camping for example. Hopefully things that also intersect socially with women. Both of these things will likely draw time and resources that you are likely putting aside right now for your marriage, and instead - you will put them toward yourself. Consider it an investment. You want your wife to invest in sexy underwear - turn that finger around so it points at you. Don't ask her what you should do. Do or discover something new that you can feel passionate about. If you don't, then toss it and try something else. Do a year of Yes. If someone suggests something you should try, that they have done - make a promise to yourself that you have to say YES. Then do it. 3. Stop thinking of your marriage as a consolation prize --as the "best you can do" with what you've got. No partner wants to feel that way about themselves. Look, if you are at home and feel unloved (and this goes for your wife as well), that's a toxic situation irrespective of whether you can "do any better" for a partner. The choices in front of you are stay or go and be single. Being single is or could be better than being tethered to someone you don't want as a partner and who doesn't want you as a partner, and who isn't acting as a romantic partner. Any prospective romantic partner doesn't want just to be a swap for the previous one - it doesn't work like that (at least not successfully). You need to get to a place where you feel reasonably sorted out as a single man who is an interesting person, who has friends and interests and a life that doesn't depend on someone else. That's much more appealing universally, and puts you in a position to feel more confidence. Instead of thinking of your marriage as a last place finisher, look at what you and your wife agree a marriage to be, and see if you meet that threshold. You had a wedding - yes. But how is your life together different from, say, amicable ex-spouses, roommates, or a family member living with you? Are you living an actual marriage? If you seem lost in a complex situation and wondering what to do, a good place to start is with yourself. Start anywhere there and change one thing. If you can't improve something yet, then think of one thing you do right now that takes a bad situation and makes it worse. Stop doing that. Make a promise now and stop. Small incremental changes in the same direction will take you a long, long way. Sort yourself out first - don't do it so she will love you. Do it for yourself and the results will attend to themselves one way or another - but I guarantee - you won't feel like you feel right now about yourself and your life. Will any of this result in your wife wanting sex with you? I don't know. Doubtful, based on the description you've posed about where you both seem to be in this situation. But you will feel more in command of your destiny, with more options, with hope and optimism, and even excitement. That's not a bad trade from today.
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Post by lr79 on Sept 27, 2023 1:28:57 GMT -5
I am a 44 year old man, been married for 9 years and together with wife for nearly 14 years (wife is 39) 1. But it has been 2 years since we had sex and other intimacy like kissing/cuddling etc is pretty much nil 2. Am i attracted to her - in reality no 3. Resentment - I thought and was led to believe when we got married we would have out family pretty soon after 4. confidence - she has pretty much been the only woman i have ever been with in my younger years i was knocked back and made to feel like i was repulsively ugly and never good enough to find a girl [...] i don't always manage to keep it up, which then leads her to believe i dont fancy her anymore and she then never is interested 5. sometimes when i feel confident enough to try and initiate other initmacy like kissing and cuddling she says no 6. I am also massively jealous of other guys who have much more attractive partners, and have much more sex - 7. "i was triggered by this today seeing a few of the girls in our office who i would like in that way - hence am resisting doing something daft like taking an overdose of painkillers as i type this" because i just dont see things ever getting better because i am either stuck like this sexless and no children or i separate and divorce and have convinced myself 8. i will never find anyone else who would want me for about a million reasons 9. I am also massively jealous or envious of people who have partners who dress in skimpier clothing and sexy underwear, as i mentioned she doesn't remotely do that i think the most radical thing she would do is wear black bra and pants instead of white and she is a bit of a plain jane who rarely dresses up nice (and yes i did know this for most of our relationship but have just settled because i will never get anyone else) Thanks for your note of introduction. There's a lot to go over, but I've pulled out some items that are of particular interest to me. Some observations: First, you don't want to kill yourself. You just want an end to the feeling of being trapped in your present circumstance. I can assure you that your circumstance can change, and that pretty much any change is better or offers hope over killing yourself. It's not unusual to have suicidal ideation, or death ideation. I kept wanting a meteor to strike me out of the sky, but others want to take more active measures. You can go to a therapist and talk about your problems, but most men would rather kill themselves than talk about problems without actually DOING anything that gives them a feeling of control again over their lives. The way you phrased #7 and #8 has you posing yourself as someone who feels little control and who lives by the charity of others. It doesn't have to be this way. Second, you aren't attracted to your wife, and you've posed that you are with her now because you don't think anyone else (which might mean anyone better) would want you. It's possible she sees the "sexy underwear" as some kind of mask to put over herself. It's very unlikely that after 14 years, she's not aware of your lack of attraction. As such, she would likely interpret (correctly) that your sexual invitations to her were simply the result of you being horny, rather than about any unique sexual attraction between you. Some advice: I want you to look around your 44 year old peer group and consider the people who got divorced and did badly, and those who got divorced and did well. Look especially to the women. The prescription here is less about making demands on your partner, and more about becoming an interesting and attractive person YOURSELF. So, pretend you are going to be divorced in a year, and you need to make changes in your life to prepare. How would you go about that? 1. Confidence. This means doing something DIFFERENT than what you've done your whole life. Possibly doing the opposite of your inclinations. Wardrobe is an easy one to upgrade - lots to learn about men's timeless fashion rules, retire stuff that isn't working and get into stuff that fits you now. Hair: If you are balding to the point of being self conscious, it's time to get a shaver and take it down to 3mm. Don't hide it. If you have hair, get to a proper salon and ask them what you should do. Seek help in upgrading your look - share/explain to your stylist what your overall goal is, and they might get a sense of it. Physique: Getting into reasonable shape goes a long way. Find your exercise if you don't have one. Join something, and/or take up running and cycling. Invest in proper running shoes and download the Nike Running app. If you are actually a profoundly unhandsome man, you can improve your lot considerably by becoming VERY fit - but this will involve more commitment. Details: How are your teeth, nails. The level of care you attend to with these is a signifier as to the level of care you may attend to other things. Invest in your teeth if it's something you are self-conscious about. In short, be mindful of the things you are self-conscious about and then do things to change those things so that you no longer feel self-conscious about them. Update yourself so you can feel good enough on a first date with someone totally new. You might or might not do that eventually, but you owe to yourself the best version of yourself that you can be.. 2. Be an interesting person. An interesting person has interests. What are your hobbies? If you don't have any, find one! Hopefully one that gives you skills you don't have - music, cooking, camping for example. Hopefully things that also intersect socially with women. Both of these things will likely draw time and resources that you are likely putting aside right now for your marriage, and instead - you will put them toward yourself. Consider it an investment. You want your wife to invest in sexy underwear - turn that finger around so it points at you. Don't ask her what you should do. Do or discover something new that you can feel passionate about. If you don't, then toss it and try something else. Do a year of Yes. If someone suggests something you should try, that they have done - make a promise to yourself that you have to say YES. Then do it. 3. Stop thinking of your marriage as a consolation prize --as the "best you can do" with what you've got. No partner wants to feel that way about themselves. Look, if you are at home and feel unloved (and this goes for your wife as well), that's a toxic situation irrespective of whether you can "do any better" for a partner. The choices in front of you are stay or go and be single. Being single is or could be better than being tethered to someone you don't want as a partner and who doesn't want you as a partner, and who isn't acting as a romantic partner. Any prospective romantic partner doesn't want just to be a swap for the previous one - it doesn't work like that (at least not successfully). You need to get to a place where you feel reasonably sorted out as a single man who is an interesting person, who has friends and interests and a life that doesn't depend on someone else. That's much more appealing universally, and puts you in a position to feel more confidence. Instead of thinking of your marriage as a last place finisher, look at what you and your wife agree a marriage to be, and see if you meet that threshold. You had a wedding - yes. But how is your life together different from, say, amicable ex-spouses, roommates, or a family member living with you? Are you living an actual marriage? If you seem lost in a complex situation and wondering what to do, a good place to start is with yourself. Start anywhere there and change one thing. If you can't improve something yet, then think of one thing you do right now that takes a bad situation and makes it worse. Stop doing that. Make a promise now and stop. Small incremental changes in the same direction will take you a long, long way. Sort yourself out first - don't do it so she will love you. Do it for yourself and the results will attend to themselves one way or another - but I guarantee - you won't feel like you feel right now about yourself and your life. Will any of this result in your wife wanting sex with you? I don't know. Doubtful, based on the description you've posed about where you both seem to be in this situation. But you will feel more in command of your destiny, with more options, with hope and optimism, and even excitement. That's not a bad trade from today. Thats a reply that gives me plenty of food for thought for sure so thank you and appreciate it Its probably gonna take me 50 reads of it to work out what changes etc to make do have some ie stop or try to stop comparing to others, try not to be so jealous, shave face more often (as only do once a week) theres prob others too I have a mental health therapy assessment by phone today as self referred because of the issues i refer to and my general mental health which may also help
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Post by worksforme2 on Sept 27, 2023 6:33:36 GMT -5
Ir79.....When a new member finds this site often they arrive with meny of the same issues. Feelings of being unworthy, not being attractive, fear of never finding another partner if they leave or divorce. The advice is usually to sort out one's own issues before attempting to sort out the marriage. It's good advice. Having a mental health assessment is a good starting point. One thing struck me. The shaving once a week. It is not surprising that your W might no enjoy kissing you when you have not spent time making yourself as attractive as possible. I have to wonder if there are other things related to your hygene you may not be doing. Taking the time to evaluate your marriage is also a good idea. How you view the marriage may translate into how you interact with your spouse. Women are pretty intuitive. She has probably picked up on your jealousy and may feel unfairly pigeonholed as somehow responsible for it. Sex usually doesn't just stop for no reason. There is likely a reason(s) the affection has gone away. Do an honest appraisal of how you may be contributing to the disfubctional dynamic.
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