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Post by blunder8 on Feb 2, 2023 14:28:27 GMT -5
One of my birthday gifts was a voucher for 2 for an overnight stay, bottle of wine and full breakfast included at a beautiful hotel in Niagara-on-the-lake. Nice gesture, but I wouldn't say the idea of spending time at a romantic spot with zero chance of any romance fills me with joy. We will also be traveling to Chicago, Madrid, and (probably) Greece (Location to be confirmed) this year to attend and participate in medical conferences (she heads up a patient advocacy group - it seems that's where a large portion of her energy goes). not particularly looking forward to any of that either, I'm so bloody sick and tired of this disease. This softball is coming in slow and over the plate, so I gotta swing. Since it is YOUR gift, why not invite someone else, a good friend perhaps, to accompany you on the hotel package? You'll have a better time, without the no-romance stigma hanging over you. It's a great opportunity to assert your right to enjoy yourself on occasion.
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Post by mirrororchid on Feb 2, 2023 17:58:24 GMT -5
One of my birthday gifts was a voucher for 2 for an overnight stay, bottle of wine and full breakfast included at a beautiful hotel in Niagara-on-the-lake. Nice gesture, but I wouldn't say the idea of spending time at a romantic spot with zero chance of any romance fills me with joy. We will also be traveling to Chicago, Madrid, and (probably) Greece (Location to be confirmed) this year to attend and participate in medical conferences (she heads up a patient advocacy group - it seems that's where a large portion of her energy goes). not particularly looking forward to any of that either, I'm so bloody sick and tired of this disease. Is someone else footing teh bill for this globetrotting? Would time in your house, all to yourself be better or worse?
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Post by catlover on Feb 23, 2023 13:06:03 GMT -5
One of my birthday gifts was a voucher for 2 for an overnight stay, bottle of wine and full breakfast included at a beautiful hotel in Niagara-on-the-lake. Nice gesture, but I wouldn't say the idea of spending time at a romantic spot with zero chance of any romance fills me with joy. We will also be traveling to Chicago, Madrid, and (probably) Greece (Location to be confirmed) this year to attend and participate in medical conferences (she heads up a patient advocacy group - it seems that's where a large portion of her energy goes). not particularly looking forward to any of that either, I'm so bloody sick and tired of this disease. Is someone else footing teh bill for this globetrotting? Would time in your house, all to yourself be better or worse? Hi, apologies for the late response, I didn't notice your reply till now. To answer your questions, yes, we are not paying for (most) of our "globetrotting". My wife, although she is b=very ill, still finds the strength to head up a patient advocacy group (and assist with other organizations involved with this rare hereditary disease and other rare diseases. In this capacity she gets invited to participate in Pharma (mostly) funded conferences and working groups. It is extremely difficult for her to travel by herself, so I get to ride along as her caregiver (a role which I wouldn't say I particularly enjoy when you are dealing with someone who desperately wants to retain their independence but which I carry out cheerfully for the most part). I would love some alone time, but as mentioned above, that is not a real possibility at this time
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Post by northstarmom on Feb 23, 2023 13:12:07 GMT -5
"I would love some alone time, but as mentioned above, that is not a real possibility at this time"
Can you afford a professional caregiver to be at home with her sometimes while you do some things, including travel, alone?
What would your wife do if she outlives you, something that could happen given how she has exceeded the longevity expected after being diagnosed with her disease?
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Post by baza on Feb 23, 2023 17:39:27 GMT -5
It is a key point Sister northstarmom makes - "who cares for the carer ?" The role of "carer" can wear you down to a point where the quality of care you provide can suffer. And what happens in a situation where the carer goes under a bus causing a sudden cessation of care ? Who cares for you Brother catlover ?
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Post by deadzone75 on Feb 24, 2023 11:22:26 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity Catlover, the original life expectancy of max 3 years...did you actually hear that from the doctor, or from your W?
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Post by catlover on Feb 24, 2023 12:47:55 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity Catlover, the original life expectancy of max 3 years...did you actually hear that from the doctor, or from your W? Yes, it was from the Doctor. This disease attacks various organs and bodily functions. In her case her heart is pretty buggered, an ejection fraction (at last count) of about 18%, terrible neuropathy with the associated pain and muscle weakness, GI tract is also affected (Explosive diarrhea with little to no warning at times, and often inability to eat much, she has lost about 60lbs in weight, from about 150 to about 90 at the moment). A lot of the autonomic functions are also affected. In general, not a whole lot of fun. It is a hereditary genetic mutation, her variant originated in Donegal, Ireland, where, co-incidentally, both of our families originated from. In my case, my father came from Rathmullan, Donegal, and her grandfather came from the same village. (and before anyone asks, yes we do share some genes according to 23andMe from a few genertions back LOL) It took the best part of 5 years for her to get a diagnosis, all the while slowly deteriorating. At that time (in 2015) there were no treatments available, apart from trying to manage symptoms. At present there are a couple of medications approved for use (horrendously expensive, to the tune of about $500k per year, fortunately the Ontario Health Insurance does cover most of it), not a cure though, they are designed to slow the progression of the disease (or in an ideal world, halt the progression) by stopping the production of the rogue proteins responsible for the mayhem. In her case, it would appear the medication she is on has slowed it down, hence, in my opinion, her exceeding the predictions of remaining time left.
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Post by deadzone75 on Feb 24, 2023 14:06:31 GMT -5
I'll echo what others have been saying: do whatever you have to do. You are staying, and she isn't going to give you sex or affection. That is non-negotiable at this point. Use your voucher and hire a sex worker and Pretty-Woman it for two days. Go to town in the daylight and stay for a couple days to participate in the events. What would your W care? She clearly just wants you there to take care of her needs anyway. If she can get up the energy for travel around the world, she can manage two days without you. What would she do, even if she didn't like it? Kick you out? She thinks she has all the power over you when she has none in reality. The only true shackles are in your mind, age and depression. Both suck, to be certain. But it's only too late when you're dead and buried. Who knows what the root cause of your "equipment" issues are? Age, depression, stress, too much masturbation...even if you were 25, all this SM bullshit could cause performance issues. If you are staying, then you can't win, but there are alternatives to dying with no further intimacy or affection, something your W is clearly okay with. Don't let her make her fate yours.
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Post by northstarmom on Feb 24, 2023 14:32:29 GMT -5
FWIW my partner and I have discussed what we would do if the other became chronically ill and incapacitated.We both agree that if that happened, we would put the other in a good care home and we would visit and make sure they were well taken care of. We also would live our lives -- including having sex -- but would not tell the other the details of our sex lifes (Both of us agreed we wouldn't want to know).
We have a dear friend who did that with her husband. He was very well cared for. She still had an independent life including romance. She, however, and her husband hadn't made such an agreement, which is a reason why my partner and I have talked about that with each other.
We have another friend whose husband, after he retired, literally ate so much that he couldn't leave the house. He eventually was confined to his bed. His wife kept working (she enjoyed it) and went on trips with her women friends while he sat home hugging his support dog. She made sure he was well cared for but she didn't stop her outside activities because of him. I don't think she took a lover, but she did have fun times including 2 trips to Paris with women friends during the last 5 years. She didn't apologize for taking time for herself. Caregiving is difficult! Caregivers need self care.
Having an infirm spouse doesn't mean that you should have no life of your own even if you care for her at home. I remember trying to tell my mother that when she was taking care of my father after he had strokes and became incontinent and partially paralized. I even offered to help pay for care, but she refused. Incidentally, they were in a sexless marriage (father had had affairs and then my mom cut off the sex, affection, and love). She'd stayed married due to fear of the "embarrassment" a divorce would cause. Even as an adolescent I warned her that she was setting herself up to be his caregiver later (He also was 8 years older than her), but looking good to others was more important to her than was her future. I suspect that's also why she didn't travel after he had his strokes -- in her view, "How would that look to others?"
FWIW, by the time my dad died, my mom was so bitter, aged, and weary that she never did any of the fun things that she had planned to do in her senior years. She told me that every night, she prayed to die in her sleep.
You don't have to choose my mom's path.
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Post by northstarmom on Feb 25, 2023 8:40:41 GMT -5
catlover: "To answer your questions, yes, we are not paying for (most) of our "globetrotting". My wife, although she is b=very ill, still finds the strength to head up a patient advocacy group (and assist with other organizations involved with this rare hereditary disease and other rare diseases. In this capacity she gets invited to participate in Pharma (mostly) funded conferences and working groups. It is extremely difficult for her to travel by herself, so I get to ride along as her caregiver (a role which I wouldn't say I particularly enjoy when you are dealing with someone who desperately wants to retain their independence but which I carry out cheerfully for the most part)."
If you tried, I bet you could find someone -- for instance a friend of your wife or a professional caregiver -- who'd be glad to go in your place for the opportunity to travel. You don't have to be chained to your wife. If you choose to go, you also could take some time for yourself to do some solo exploring in those lovely locations. Possibly you could even trade off caregiving with another ill person's spouse or companion. You can be creative in expanding your opportunities to have a happier life. Travel that’s a burden to you could be what someone else would view as an opportunity to see the world. And if those conferences are pharma-funded, it seems they could provide some relief opportunities for caregivers if people like you spoke up and requested it. Just because your wife is ill doesn't mean you need to cater to all of her wants and your needs and desires don't deserve consideration.
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Post by catlover on Feb 25, 2023 11:06:42 GMT -5
Thanks for all the good thoughts. If anyone is interested, the link below is to a story about someone living with Amyloidosis, the same strain that my wife has. (Nicknamed Donegal Amy) mm713.org/hereditary-ttr-t60a-variant/
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Post by northstarmom on Feb 25, 2023 11:56:18 GMT -5
I read the article. I still want to know if you can get some caregiving help that gives you some time to do things on your own. While you've come to a sexless marriage site, it's obvious that lack of sex is only a small part of your concerns. You seem to have built your whole life around taking care of your wife's needs. What about your own needs -- in addition to your sexual ones? If you are 61-65, you may not yourself have good health for much longer or the time to do enjoyable things you've been putting off. Presumably a lot of people with amyloidosis don't have partners so have to somehow take care of themselves with professional caregivers or by using other means.
I'm wondering whether at least some of the restrictions in your life are self-imposed. What keeps you from hiring an occasional caregiver? What activities do you do that are just for you? It seems that your wife is managing to do a lot of things including major trips that support her interests. What do you have that's yours? If your wife were to die tomorrow, what would fill your life? Friends? Organizations? What?
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