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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 1:42:59 GMT -5
I just ventured over to the read only version of ILIASM on EP. This number is the final "me too" count on that topic. I'm simply floored. As I recall, when I first visited EP/ILIASM in 2008, the count was only around 1,200 people. That is just an astounding jump. Today, as I have on many other occasions, I'm thanking my lucky stars for that community and all it had to offer. I wouldn't be the me I am today if it weren't for ILIASM. When I joined I was the 64th member to sign up for EP's ILIASM. The SM group I was a member of before that only had a couple of hundred people and I thought EP's group would be about the same. It was much better at the beginning and then slowly went downhill.
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Post by Pinkberry on Jun 5, 2016 6:55:44 GMT -5
I walk the streets of our neighborhood at night and wonder the same thing. Of the 250 houses I know several, already divorced,separated, retired, duel incomes, he is always gone on business, how many houses have been sold due to divorce, etc.... Then I see a lovely evening for romance, and I have the whole place to myself! The other houses, well... You can see the cars are in the driveway, the TV is shining through the curtains, the computers are on in the den, the pools are empty,and quiet, the lawn chairs are empty, the back decks are empty, the grills are never fired, the balconies are empty, the front porches are empty. Good luck meeting these people too! They pay to have everything done, they drive home and down goes the garage doors, they tell you as little as possible when you first meet them. Maybe you will meet there kids? Oh wait... Kids don't ride bikes,scooters, skateboards, anymore, they too are inside on there phones! I've been discussing this a lot lately in many different contexts. In the U.S., we are really missing our "tribal" connections. People rarely know their neighbors, don't have people they call on for everyday help, don't wave to each other, or much else. It is sad. I think it is a big reason why so many marriages fail. It really does take a village, not just for children, but for people. We all need others to truly thrive and we have collectively and systemically been cutting ourselves off from our villages for decades now. There is just no community and little in the way of investment. How many folks do you know that you would describe as passionate about being married? About being parents? In a real genuine way, not about things like we attend all the PTO meetings because we are "involved." I just ordered a book called "The Art of Neighboring" and I have been slowly cutting back on my Internet usage for some time. I lived without any TV for several years and didn't really mind. I think I could do it again as well as eliminate the computers for the most part and be much more fulfilled.
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Post by snowman12345 on Jun 5, 2016 8:32:34 GMT -5
Chatter Fox - I do the same thing when my kids are on a new baseball team. With 12 families there I always knew I was one SM and wondered which other couple was the SM as well, and there was was 20%. I do the same thing. When I am out and about I look at other couples and try to guess who is in a SM and who is not. I don't have any idea how often I am right, but I bet it is more often than I think.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jun 5, 2016 9:58:58 GMT -5
I am surprised I haven't had any other woman I've dated say it. Speaking for myself, I went my whole married life23yrs without ever hearing the term Sexless Marriage. about all you hear is, " you need to start taking your spouse out on date nights again". End of discussion! So, yea, imagine how many are living in the fog!
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Post by JMX on Jun 5, 2016 10:18:04 GMT -5
Pinkberry - community is so important. One thing I have realized over time is that my STBX has such deep emotional issues that he has no friends (a lot of acquaintances that he would say were friends). Even his family relationships are very surface. I know more about his family history than even he does because I bother to ask questions - about 5 deep. I have told him things his mother has told me that he never knew or thought to ask about their childhood or, his father. I find it crazy.
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Post by wewbwb on Jun 5, 2016 11:54:05 GMT -5
Pinkberry - community is so important. One thing I have realized over time is that my STBX has such deep emotional issues that he has no friends (a lot of acquaintances that he would say were friends). Even his family relationships are very surface. I know more about his family history than even he does because I bother to ask questions - about 5 deep. I have told him things his mother has told me that he never knew or thought to ask about their childhood or, his father. I find it crazy. I have to say, I'm very surface with my family also. But there are reasons. And it allows me to tolerate them. I wouldn't be friends with any of them by choice. But not having "dead body"friends is troubling. Those you can choose.
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Post by bballgirl on Jun 5, 2016 12:21:58 GMT -5
Pinkberry - community is so important. One thing I have realized over time is that my STBX has such deep emotional issues that he has no friends (a lot of acquaintances that he would say were friends). Even his family relationships are very surface. I know more about his family history than even he does because I bother to ask questions - about 5 deep. I have told him things his mother has told me that he never knew or thought to ask about their childhood or, his father. I find it crazy. My ex was very closed off as well and has very few friends. Meanwhile I'm a social butterfly and he would want to control me to not go out and participate in any socialization. It didn't stop me 80% of the time but I always got shit, attitude, silent treatment, guilt, from him when I got home meanwhile i was with my kids and he was invited but chose not to go. Even sitting in front of the house watching the kids play with one of the male neighbors was a problem for him but he wouldn't even say hello to the neighbors. It got to a point that I realized and I believe it was someone on EP that posed the question: Do you see yourself if you were to meet your spouse today being friends. My answer was an acquaintance at best.
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Post by compugeek on Jun 5, 2016 12:51:04 GMT -5
Wow I used to do that too, when I was walking the dog I go by each house and wonder if they had a sexless marriage. If it was that common, there was a good chance a few other couples in the neighborhood were in a SM. Which ones? I'd see couples at the dog park or the store and wonder are they a sexless marriage? This was for me at least just another manifestation of the fact that in a sexless marriage sex becomes the thing that takes up the most room in your head. It becomes an obsession, and you spend all your energy figuring out how to cope with its absence, how to get it, being mad over it, spending hours on social media seeking support for it, and yes wondering if you are seeing it everywhere you go. One of the best parts of getting into a more normal deal is how much less important sex becomes. One of my all time favorite stories on EP was when baz ran down the events of a particular day. A nice enjoyable active day... and not a root to be seen. And it didn't matter! In normal life, a day without sex is, well, a day without sex. In a sexless marriage, every day without sex (and even most days with sex) is a slap in the face. holy crap this resonates. Exactly how I feel. I'm at that point where I'm becomming no longer attracted to the most attractive woman I've known. So sad.
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Post by JMX on Jun 5, 2016 12:56:27 GMT -5
bballgirl - you know, really, my STBX was a great observer and never got in my way at social events and mostly was never a sourpuss about it. He would hang out in the background. Sometimes he would be happy to be there and he could be quite charming and fun. I do think he is subconsciously jealous of me and I remind him of his mother (and some mommy issues do exist) but for the most part, he was happy to stay behind at home or hang out in the background. In the beginning, I figured we were a pretty good ying/yang. Introvert - Extravert.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jun 5, 2016 20:38:12 GMT -5
bballgirl - you know, really, my STBX was a great observer and never got in my way at social events and mostly was never a sourpuss about it. He would hang out in the background. Sometimes he would be happy to be there and he could be quite charming and fun. I do think he is subconsciously jealous of me and I remind him of his mother (and some mommy issues do exist) but for the most part, he was happy to stay behind at home or hang out in the background. In the beginning, I figured we were a pretty good ying/yang. Introvert - Extravert. Marriage has a way of doing that to a couple, in a very short time. Once you are married you take your partner for granite. You become settled, complacent, safe. No more need to impress each other, or anyone else for that matter. It gives me strong reasons to avoid " marriage" in any future relationships. Time will tell! Opposites may be good for dating, but for the rest of your lives? Once it happens to you, your outlook towards marriage can be very different.
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Post by unmatched on Jun 5, 2016 23:10:06 GMT -5
Once you are married you take your partner for granite. I don't know if you did that on purpose or not, but it is funny!
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Post by DryCreek on Jun 5, 2016 23:20:08 GMT -5
Once you are married you take your partner for granite. I don't know if you did that on purpose or not, but it is funny! She rocks! Stone cold, that is.
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