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Post by worksforme2 on Jan 23, 2021 15:26:34 GMT -5
Protests at the USA Capitol=protests by idiots. Perhaps Antifa people, even if they have Trump flags..
I think the term "antifa" has been distorted and polemicized in the US, just like 'liberal' and 'socialist'.
Antifa stands for anti-fascism. If there were any anti fascism people around Washington, they would oppose Trump. They would oppose white supremacist and racist groups. They would certainly not foment civil unrest, or storm government buildings bearing arms. They are no more a political movement than atheists are a religion.
Probably most Americans are not on a first name basis with either Antifa or Q Anon. So they would not be aware of these groups' goals or agendas. You are incorrect in your statement that Antifa would not ferment civil unrest or storm government buildings. There were riots again in Portland and Seattle on inauguration day. The local Democratic headquarters was vandalized in Portland. Interviews by a CNN reporter of participants in the riots gave an explanation for the continuing violence by this group. On and off rioting by Antifa has been occurring since August of 2019. It seems they hold the Democratic party in the same contempt as Republicans. Their view is that Democrats are just as guilty of white privilege and share the same history of racism and bigotry. At least that's what they said according to the CNN reporter. Only by expunging this "whiteness" and bigotry can a new political reality come forth. Violence seems to be the method of choice to bring this about from the perspective of those interviewed. You may not see them as a apolitical movement. They do. I would encourage you to broaden your reading on current events in the US if you choose to comment on said events or groups. Give the liberal press a break and spend some time on some respected conservative news sites. Often you will find events reported on these sites you will not see if you rely on the MSM here or perhaps in your country. As the MSM here is wed to liberal causes reporting on events that portray progressives or liberals in a bad light is discouraged.. Often they simply ignore news that isn't supportive of the Democrats' agenda. |
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Post by saarinista on Jan 23, 2021 17:28:35 GMT -5
Um worksforme2 you're correct. There have been violent, destructive riots by antifascists in Portland since the election. I just Googled it and there is, dutifully reported by the "liberal MSM" including the New York times, the local ABC affiliate and probably every normal media outlet out there. There is no media conspiracy I can see to cover up uncivil protests by people on the left. The reason they didn't get as much coverage as the Capitol riots is the Capitol riots were prefaced by numerous heated exhortations by Donald Trump and his official supporters to conservative group protestors gathered in DC to essentially go do whatever it took to keep him in office. Protestors then did as he asked and ransacked the Capitol, leading to the deaths of 5 people. To me that is the definition of an insurrection. It's much, much more serious than the violent protests in Portland and that's why the Capitol protests got more coverage. I'm a former working journalist who reported for several small market ABC and CBS affiliates. Doesn't get much more MSM than that. Having been there, I can tell you there are plenty of conservatives in the MSM. In fact, of the few people I've blocked on Facebook, they are almost all former colleagues from my time in television news who became flat out abusive right wing zealots after they left journalism. I got tired of being called demented and moronic. I realize that there are a-holes on the left too. I also get insulted by them at times. I block a-holes and the uncivil regardless of political leanings. We need to turn down the temperature of public policy conversation in this country. Let's save some passion for the bedroom. |
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Post by worksforme2 on Jan 23, 2021 22:43:48 GMT -5
To me that is the definition of an insurrection. It's much, much more serious than the violent protests in Portland and that's why the Capitol protests got more coverage. I can agree with much of what you say. However what took place in the capital was certainly no insurrection. Just as in Portland, Seattle and Denver it was a group of criminals invading and wrecking a government building and scaring the crap out of duly elected legislators doing their jobs. The loss of life is truly regrettable. Hopefully there will be severe consequences for those involved. I hear the term insurrection used pretty loosely toward the events that day. It seems clear that politics is playing out when factually speaking what took place was breaking and entering and vandalism on a large scale. Mob mentality for sure, but not an insurrection. And I think if you ask the people who had their businesses destroyed and their lives threatened by Antifa they probably feel it's just as bad if not worse. I don't have words to address the loss of life since my knowledge of what actually took place is severely limited. And I would love to see and hear the rhetoric and tribe mentality turned down. |
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Post by petrushka on Jan 23, 2021 23:30:15 GMT -5
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Post by baza on Jan 24, 2021 0:40:17 GMT -5
Here's a list (far from complete) of protests at the Australian House of Representatives over the years since Federation in 1901. (pretty tame stuff compared to the USA).
1927 - First nation protest
1970 - Vietnam war protest.
1972 - First Nation Tent Embassy, protest over First Nation Sovereignty
1975 - Governor General breaks parliamentary impasse by sacking the elected government and ordering a new election.
1989 - Bloke jumps from public gallery to the chamber below. Escorted out before he could say a word.
1989 - Catering staff of Parliament House form picket line barring commonwealth vehicles bringing members to the house.
1995 - Logging protesters blockade the house with vehicles.
1996 - Union backed protest got out of control with protesters invading the house.40 people arrested and about 90 Police injured.
2001 - Shahraz Kayani, a Pakistani refugee engaged in a fruitless battle with the government for six years to bring his family to Australia, doused himself with petrol and set himself alight in front of Parliament House. He died some days later.
2002 - Greenpeace members scale the flagpole, unfurl banner re Govt's failure to ratify Kyoto agreement on global warming.
2003 - Anti Iraq War protest and strategically placed visitors begin a wailing song that goes on and on (and on)
2011 - Anti Carbon Tax protest promoted by Oil Companies.
2017 - Protesters about treatment of refugees occupy the Public Gallery and superglue their hands to the balcony.
That 1975 Constitutional crisis was probably the pick of these events over the last 120 years since Federation.
Quite a clusterfuck.
But no-one got killed, or even shot.
The above list is not exhaustive, just the "highlights".
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Post by petrushka on Jan 24, 2021 2:14:08 GMT -5
So, today we heard that the coronavirus got out of quarantine in NZ. The woman who developed the infection
had been tested twice, found negative, released after 2 weeks and got sick a week later.
She's been in my town since. Govt. is working on tracing her locations, and contacts. More anon.
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Post by Handy on Jan 24, 2021 15:40:32 GMT -5
Petrushka, I hope the medical authorities find all of the people this woman was around soon.
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Post by Handy on Jan 26, 2021 13:25:30 GMT -5
I have been trying to get an appointment for the 1b group of the state guidelines for a Covid vaccine shot. All of the appointment slots are filled for a while and the number of available vaccine injections has been drastically reduced compared to prior estimates. My W is blaming Biden for the shortage. I tried to explain a vaccine takes time to make but she won't hear my explanation. (serious eye roll )
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Post by isthisit on Jan 26, 2021 17:29:51 GMT -5
I have been trying to get an appointment for the 1b group of the state guidelines for a Covid vaccine shot. All of the appointment slots are filled for a while and the number of available vaccine injections has been drastically reduced compared to prior estimates. My W is blaming Biden for the shortage. I tried to explain a vaccine takes time to make but she won't hear my explanation. (serious eye roll ) Gosh, he hasn’t got it all sorted in six days? My mum had hers at the weekend. A big relief. |
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Post by baza on Jan 26, 2021 18:28:09 GMT -5
Baza, sounds like you are in Melbourne? We are having an easier time in Tasmania.....(but both my brothers are in Melbourne), including my younger brother, he had to experience his 50th birthday last month, totally alone. 🙄 Only just saw this. Sorry about tardy reply. Things have calmed down a whole lot since you posted in August, and in Victoria we are nominally over the covid pandemic. Over the course of it I was between addresses, spending time in Melbourne and time in rural Victoria. Now, I'm pretty much wholly based in rural Victoria up on the Murray River. |
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Post by worksforme2 on Jan 26, 2021 19:20:27 GMT -5
The kid down the street that my grandsons play with a lot is in quarantine. This is probably the 30th or 40th time a class of students and their teacher at this school has been subject to time off due to possible exposure. If my grandsons were attending I would likely not be able to care for them.
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Post by worksforme2 on Jan 30, 2021 8:23:29 GMT -5
How it works in my county in N.C.
It's hasn't been easy to figure out just exactly who is currently eligible for a vaccination and how one goes about getting it. After a morning going from one state/county information site to another I think I have what I need. I downloaded a patient information form that must be turned in when one receives the 1st dose. The notification of the next vax location is posted on one of the sites. Vaccine sites are moved each week to different locations with a 7 day notification each week of where to go next. It is 1st come 1st served until the supply is exhausted or the time available to receive it passes(roughly 6hrs.). Notification of when and where to receive the 2nd shot will be emailed to those who get the 1st shot.
It's not how I would have gone about doing this. I am going to try to be at the vax site next week with my information sheet.
BREAKING NEWS; Just learned my county is not vaccinating people my age yet. At least the terrorists at Gitmo aren't in front of me anymore.
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Post by isthisit on Jan 30, 2021 16:29:40 GMT -5
How it works in the U.K: Your GP texts you with your appointment, all triaged and fair and square. We are close to completing the top four categories now.
The NHS may have its disadvantages, but the one system approach is handy in these circumstances.
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Post by Handy on Jan 30, 2021 17:29:56 GMT -5
Isthisit
How it works in the U.K: Your GP texts you with your appointment, all triaged and fair and square. We are close to completing the top four categories now.
That system sounds very efficient. I like it!
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Post by isthisit on Jan 30, 2021 17:41:19 GMT -5
I would like to see the developing world helped out much more quickly. This evening the BBC was reporting that in the U.K. we have vaccinated close to 8 million people. The continent of Africa apparently has so far vaccinated a total of 60 people.
C’mon that’s not okay.
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