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Post by isthisit on Jul 29, 2020 23:06:47 GMT -5
Regarding Medline there is actually a fair bit of crap on there amongst the genuine stuff. I am a medical academic journal reviewer for several international publications and drivel we kick to the kerb regularly finds itself published and available on the Medline database. Woeful some of it.
It is a highly specialised skill to appraise the rigour, validity, reliability and credibility of clinical research. Despite this, I love that the public uses this resource, it is just good to remember not to take everything there at face value just like with every other source.
And anyway, one of the silver linings of this whole corona-drama is that society has finally recognised some of its real heroes and heroines. Not those folks who can catch/kick/throw a ball, or run very fast, but dedicated, altruistic and bloody hardworking scientists and medics who, if they are listened to, will get us out of this mess. If only the politicians would get out of their way.
I mean, how can anyone doubt the expertise and altruism of Tony Fauci? The man has the patience of a saint with that orange baffoon.
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Post by DryCreek on Jul 30, 2020 0:21:06 GMT -5
isthisit, I agree - the pandemic has given the general public a whole new appreciation for service workers, healthcare workers, and people who keep our infrastructure alive. And an awareness of medicine. There are plenty of conspiracy theories circling about Fauci, though. It’s fueled a bit by the likes of Facebook and Twitter silencing credentialed medical professionals when they give voice to studies that offer alternatives to the WHO narrative. Many of these studies involve many hundreds of patients and offer early-onset treatments with great results - some as old as 4 months ago - but awareness is being actively suppressed. Meanwhile, the institutional focus here seems to be on trying to make a diving catch once symptoms are severe, rather than early treatment - hospitals are turning away patients with mild symptoms, telling them to come back when symptoms are severe.
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Post by JMX on Jul 30, 2020 1:29:26 GMT -5
I got N95 masks. Clear glasses, two bottles of high-grade Vitamin D, and 50 (by accident) medical gowns- I thought I got 10  . They kept coming. I got this shit in January. I had been watching Twitter and the devastation in China and correctly assumed it would come here. Ahead of medical professionals. In March, I donated most of my PPE to the local hospital. Because I was made to feel like a hoarder. My hospitals never needed my donations. My husband and I are considered “essential”. Basically, we have been working this entire time. I stayed home for 3 weeks (maybe) and loved it!! My closings still happened - if something needed my attention, I handled it. I did a couple “virtual” appointments for new builds. Hubs works from home now at Least 2 days a week. I never get to work from home, but thankful for my job! I am now putting my kids in virtual school because I keep seeing Pink Floyd The Wall-whenever I imagined traditional. Into the sausage maker! Not because of anything else but I do not want them subjected to the madness of most teachers not wanting to be there (which I wholly understand as I greet people from hot zones every single day). I will not subject my children to rules made up on the fly. And, by me being able to be virtual, I opened it up for those not able to. I did my part. Other senior moms - my oldest will be a senior this year, that purport to be scared of the virus (I am no longer) will tell ME I am crazy for keeping my kids home? WTF? Upside down works, people! The people, listening to the “experts” were still going out when I refused. We were locked down. Now, they are the Karens locking everyone up and insisting I wear a mask outside, as they send their kids back to school when they don’t even have to. Fucking madness. Every day I get closer to enrolling the youngest in a private school. Fucking sheep. This thread is a superb history. I hope I added something to the historical record. 🥴 |
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Post by northstarmom on Jul 30, 2020 2:59:33 GMT -5
JMX, you are one smart cookie!
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Post by lessingham on Jul 30, 2020 3:15:54 GMT -5
I try to weave my way through the information by applying common sense and what seems to work. Plus how easy it is! Some guy says 2m distancing. Seems a good idea and costs nothing. Wearing masks, hmmm. Costs hardly anything and only mildly inconvenient. Add it in as part of a package. Vitamins and weight loss. A no brainer people. Avoid morons, no problemo.
So I live my life to save my life. If they want me in masks to shop, so be it. Staying isolated in no biggie. Before visiting a place I do my research.
Do I desperately want to visit Venice? Hell yes, but only when I can safely.
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Post by isthisit on Jul 30, 2020 14:11:34 GMT -5
isthisit , I agree - the pandemic has given the general public a whole new appreciation for service workers, healthcare workers, and people who keep our infrastructure alive. And an awareness of medicine. There are plenty of conspiracy theories circling about Fauci, though. It’s fueled a bit by the likes of Facebook and Twitter silencing credentialed medical professionals when they give voice to studies that offer alternatives to the WHO narrative. Many of these studies involve many hundreds of patients and offer early-onset treatments with great results - some as old as 4 months ago - but awareness is being actively suppressed. Meanwhile, the institutional focus here seems to be on trying to make a diving catch once symptoms are severe, rather than early treatment - hospitals are turning away patients with mild symptoms, telling them to come back when symptoms are severe. Wow conspiracy theories about such an eminent scientist? I have experienced nothing like this here in Europe. Such paranoid nonsense makes you wonder if society is any better off at all from the evolution from previous societies which was unquestioning of authority, to a supposedly more developed one that perceives criticality as conspiracy everywhere. My best friend is working unbelievably hard to develop the Oxford vaccine through RCT’s at breakneck speed for the good of us all. She would be heartbroken to know that ignorant know-it-alls are questioning the altruism of such Herculean efforts. Just the thought of it makes me angry. Some people in the developed world just don’t know when they are well off. |
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Post by worksforme2 on Aug 6, 2020 14:30:32 GMT -5
My son and his W have decided to forgo attending school for their 2 sons. I am somewhat relieved. NC has no real Covid19 prevention plan in place that I can see. So sanitizing of buses. Minimal sanitizing in the classrooms. Literally nothing in the way of information is being passed along to parents other than what days their kids would be attending. My grandsons would only be in school 2 days a week. So what's the point. The school will be furnishing iPads for remote learning when the children aren't physically in school. So I will now be a 3rd grade teacher. I do pretty much most of their education as it is. Never thought I would be starting a career in elementary education at age 71.
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Post by Handy on Aug 6, 2020 15:17:05 GMT -5
worksforme2, although 2 days a week isn't many actual days in school, it is enough to get kids to do assignments on time and ask questions in-parson. I think the physical social connections are also important.
To me the down side of kids attending actual school classes is the kids bring home the Covid-19 infection to you.
The older the adult, the more I trust them to hand wash/sanitize and social distance. Kids, not more than I can actually view them. My teen age grand kids claim to do a good job at social distancing but I don't trust them. They can be air-heads and just do what they did pre-covid-19.
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Post by lessingham on Aug 7, 2020 5:27:17 GMT -5
My know nothing take on the matter is that it is the kids and teens spreading it. The teens believe they are invulnerable and so spread it without symptoms themselves. Same with kids, they play together, school together and bring it home.
Government pilicies are weighred more on who will obey than true isolation. Teens locked up??? But the gov knows elderly folj will, so they target them.
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Post by worksforme2 on Aug 7, 2020 19:04:53 GMT -5
.To me the down side of kids attending actual school classes is the kids bring home the Covid-19 infection to you. This is one of my my primary concerns really, although I don't want my grandchildren to be infected. NC is supposed to be in a mandatory masks in public order, but it's not enforced and so probably around 1/2 of people outside their homes are without masks. Thus far many schools in other states are seeing infections with in the 1st weeks of opening. Pretty sure the same will be happening here. |
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Post by Handy on Aug 7, 2020 21:29:42 GMT -5
The local infection rate is out of this world compared to what it was 4 or 5 months ago. All of the stores and public places have "mask required" but people go into those places without a mask, except where there is an "rent-a-cop" (guard) with some type of weapon. Even then, the guards have to allow people in that "claim" to have an exemption to wearing a mask. By accident I bought a N 95 mask 3 or so years ago. I wore it a couple of times and then the rubber bands that hold it to my face broke because that is how it goes with rubber bands.
I see that some politicians are for and some against opening schools. Why aren't this type of decisions left more to the medical types?
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Post by jim44444 on Aug 8, 2020 14:12:41 GMT -5
I feel like worksforme2 and I are on parallel paths. My grandkids have the option to attend school 2 days a week and every other Wednesday or be home schooled with remote access. They will be home schooled, if it ain't safe to be there 5 days a week then it ain't safe at all. Since their parents work anyone care to guess who gets to be the teacher? They are 12, 12, 7 and 6. Yeah for my life. As for the conspiracy theories about Dr. Fauci, many of them were fueled by a FB satire post that went viral. It was a brilliant piece that included Bill Gates, George Soros, the Clintons, the deep state, vaccines, RFID chips, 5G wireless and other hairbrained crap. Unfortunately we are infected with a class of morons that are totally incapable of independent research (or thought?) who seem to be functionally illiterate and can only absorb information via memes. Whenever I see a post of a study that "proves" the cure or the cause or the WTFever I go to the link (if provided). My inner nerd thrives on scientific jargon. The studies seem to fall into two broad categories. Those that have some scientific discipline and those written by dirty tricks department of some politically affiliated organization. I instantly dismiss the later and only give credence to the former. Very few if any of the true scientific studies reach definitive conclusions since most are observational studies with inherent bias. They are useful as a catalyst to rigid investigations using accepted and proven methodologies of research. |
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Post by worksforme2 on Aug 8, 2020 14:39:39 GMT -5
I feel like worksforme2 and I are on parallel paths. My grandkids have the option to attend school 2 days a week and every other Wednesday or be home schooled with remote access. They will be home schooled, if it ain't safe to be there 5 days a week then it ain't safe at all. Since their parents work anyone care to guess who gets to be the teacher? They are 12, 12, 7 and 6. Yeah for my life. These are pretty much my thoughts also. Either it is relatively safe to attend or it isn't. Considering my grandsons (9 and 8) would only attend 2 days a week I would just a soon do their instruction myself. Schools are in the 3rd generation of "dummy down" and I am constantly surprised by what the grandkids aren't being taught. I expect you and I are not the only ones here that are going to be doing homeschooling of the grandkids. |
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Post by Handy on Aug 8, 2020 17:40:36 GMT -5
I was comparing my stat with New Zealand. Population MT 1,068,778 on July 1, 2019; New Zealand (NZ) More than 5 million people in March 2020.
Deaths MT 75 NZ 22
In my county and an adjacent county we have a little over 800 active cases. What is wrong with us?
OH WELL! My hat is off to the folks in NZ.
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Post by lessingham on Aug 10, 2020 3:07:04 GMT -5
My 2 cents worth is that countries that slammed the doors shut did better, countries that allowed citizens home or anyone got slammed. Kiwis wanting to go home go ibto state run quarentine, not promise to be good and stay home
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. They kept coming. I got this shit in January. I had been watching Twitter and the devastation in China and correctly assumed it would come here. Ahead of medical professionals. 
