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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 14:10:42 GMT -5
Much of the time I feel like my life falls into the "my marriage is pretty good but we don't have sex" category. Passionate, no, but certainly good enough that I should be grateful for it. Mostly, I am. But....we are going through a huge transition from a cold/snowy upper Midwest life to a moderate climate location 1700 miles to the SW of that. In order to make that happen, I accepted a position at another University that pays horribly! We made the decision together, everything seemed fine but now that our savings is going down and not up, we haven't sold our home yet, have to build one here......I'm being a bad husband. She is SOOO stressed and pissed off and angry. All to be understood except it's at least partially being aimed at me.
So, just like with our ended sex life, I'm trying to solve it. Solving the practical issues seems normal (sell the house, find land, move stuff, map out money, etc.) but I worry too much about her mood. I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood, and now that I'm in my 50's I see the problem clearly but seeing it doesn't make it go away. Why can't I relax when her mood is bad? Why do I wind myself around other people's feelings? It's exhausting and I can't make it stop. So, I tend to overcommit to try and improve her mood. So, messed up and I'm exhausted.
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Post by baza on Mar 18, 2019 21:01:11 GMT -5
If you have adopted a life value of defining yourself as "the fixer", then there is an obvious question to raise (Dr Phil style) "How is that working for you ?"
If the answer to that is 'very well' then it is a good life value to have. If the answer to that is 'not well' then it is a bad value to have.
Maybe you need to hit the rewind button all the way back to this life value of 'the fixer' you have adopted and put it right under the microscope. Is it enhancing your life or is it depleting your life ?
Some things (like other peoples issues) are best left to the other person to sort out themself. That's what functional people do, they sort out their own shit.
Most of us have quite an adequate amounts of our own shit to work out, let alone trying to take on someone elses' issues.
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Post by choosinghappy on Mar 19, 2019 15:34:33 GMT -5
Much of the time I feel like my life falls into the "my marriage is pretty good but we don't have sex" category. Passionate, no, but certainly good enough that I should be grateful for it. ... but I worry too much about her mood. I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood, and now that I'm in my 50's I see the problem clearly but seeing it doesn't make it go away. Why can't I relax when her mood is bad? Why do I wind myself around other people's feelings? It's exhausting and I can't make it stop. So, I tend to overcommit to try and improve her mood. So, messed up and I'm exhausted.
I understand. I was also raised to walk on eggshells around my mother’s moods. It’s hard to get over that. I assume therapy could help you. My method was avoidance. And it still is to this day. Small amounts of time together is fine but extended time leads me right back to the same behavior and anxiety I had growing up. Since you’re choosing to stay, avoiding your wife isn’t really an option. I’d try therapy if you haven’t already, so you can learn some methods to deal with this. I agree it’s exhausting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 11:47:30 GMT -5
I've never done therapy, not that I have any particular aversion to it. Being "the fixer" isn't working for me and sorting that out with some help seems reasonable. Thank you all for your thoughts and advice.
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Post by baza on Mar 31, 2019 19:49:52 GMT -5
The problem with being a fixer (and seeing a therapist could help you work your way through this) is multi faceted.
Some fix's - like changing the flat tyre on your missus car are no-brainers. Others, like trying to fix some attitude or behaviour your missus is exhibiting are a road to nowhere.
Some things you can fix. Some things you cannot fix. Some things are not your job to fix. Some things are best left for the person with the issue to fix. Some times your fixing produces great ingratitude from the fixee.
It can be a bit of a blurred line to try and walk (which a therapist/counsellor could help you with)
Basically though, if you avoid trying to fix other peoples beliefs / attitudes / behaviours you won't go too far wrong.
Of course sometimes you have situations where someone asks (even demands) that you fix their problem for them (a financial bale out for example) and you have to have strong enough boundaries to say "no" - and leave their problem where it belongs - with them.
I don't think being by nature a "fixer" is necessarily a bad thing. But you really need to judiciously choose what's your job to fix, and what ain't your job to fix.
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Post by DryCreek on Mar 31, 2019 20:07:07 GMT -5
@tooyoungtobeold2... “My name’s DC, and I’m a fixer.”
The trouble with being a fixer is that it makes one drawn to broken things. It causes someone to see the potential in things, rather than their current state. While optimistic, this seems to be extraordinarily bad when it comes to evaluating people.
Maybe it’s the challenge, maybe it’s a bit of “I can fix anything” hubris. The trouble starts when you can’t step back and say “Yep, this one’s busted beyond my skills”.
Therapy would help, for sure. One approach would be trying to find peace with the facts and not be anxious about things you can’t change. I.e., if you can’t change the facts, try to accept them. And maybe put distance between you and the situation, but even then you’ll still need to accept that some fixes aren’t within your power.
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Post by flashjohn on Apr 2, 2019 15:18:55 GMT -5
I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood, and now that I'm in my 50's I see the problem clearly but seeing it doesn't make it go away. Why can't I relax when her mood is bad? Why do I wind myself around other people's feelings? It's exhausting and I can't make it stop. So, I tend to overcommit to try and improve her mood. So, messed up and I'm exhausted.
I was raised the same way, but with my dad. Everyone had to tiptoe around to make sure he didn't get upset and then pacify him when he did. So I ended up being that way with my refuser. It was a horrible way to live. All I can tell you is to consciously be aware of this and refuse to give in to those tendencies.
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Post by firefollower on Apr 3, 2019 15:28:55 GMT -5
I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood, and now that I'm in my 50's I see the problem clearly but seeing it doesn't make it go away. Why can't I relax when her mood is bad? Why do I wind myself around other people's feelings? It's exhausting and I can't make it stop. So, I tend to overcommit to try and improve her mood. So, messed up and I'm exhausted.
I was raised the same way, but with my dad. Everyone had to tiptoe around to make sure he didn't get upset and then pacify him when he did. So I ended up being that way with my refuser. It was a horrible way to live. All I can tell you is to consciously be aware of this and refuse to give in to those tendencies. Yes, ditto on this. When I was first married, I would say that we were equals looking out for each other. We wanted to make sure that we had a solid marriage...as time went on, there was a shift. The W pulled away emotionally and physically and seem to have very little tolerance for anything that I wanted. I voiced my concerns and I was met with anger and accusation. I am drama averse and therefore chose to avoid the difficult conversations by simply accepting things the way she had established them. Today, I am her bitch...I hate to admit that but it is true. At some point I need to regain my testicles if I could just find out where she hid them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 17:05:23 GMT -5
I was raised the same way, but with my dad. Everyone had to tiptoe around to make sure he didn't get upset and then pacify him when he did. So I ended up being that way with my refuser. It was a horrible way to live. All I can tell you is to consciously be aware of this and refuse to give in to those tendencies. Yes, ditto on this. When I was first married, I would say that we were equals looking out for each other. We wanted to make sure that we had a solid marriage...as time went on, there was a shift. The W pulled away emotionally and physically and seem to have very little tolerance for anything that I wanted. I voiced my concerns and I was met with anger and accusation. I am drama averse and therefore chose to avoid the difficult conversations by simply accepting things the way she had established them. Today, I am her bitch...I hate to admit that but it is true. At some point I need to regain my testicles if I could just find out where she hid them. Coming back to this old post because it's the same again today only it's our 30th wedding anniversary. I woke up stressed out, voiced that and it set her off. Again, I recognize the pattern that she denies my feelings by getting angry because that usually makes me withdraw because I'm the peacemaker. Being this age kind of sucks, you can see the patterns in your life clearly but can't seem to avoid them. I just wanted to vent but it screwed up the beginning of our anniversary day. That's on me. Now she's going to stonewall, which I hate a lot. Maybe my testicles are in storage somewhere..........they would be useful today (not for sex of course).
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Post by timedelay on Aug 5, 2019 17:34:00 GMT -5
Coming back to this old post because it's the same again today only it's our 30th wedding anniversary. I woke up stressed out, voiced that and it set her off. Again, I recognize the pattern that she denies my feelings by getting angry because that usually makes me withdraw because I'm the peacemaker. Being this age kind of sucks, you can see the patterns in your life clearly but can't seem to avoid them. I just wanted to vent but it screwed up the beginning of our anniversary day. That's on me. Now she's going to stonewall, which I hate a lot. Maybe my testicles are in storage somewhere..........they would be useful today (not for sex of course).[/quote]
I'm sorry that your anniversary got off to a crappy start. I just looked back at how you started this thread. Did you give any more thought to talking to someone, like a therapist/counsellor? Not to 'fix' yourself or your wife; just to have someone irl you can vent to. You always come across as such a fair minded man, I think you've earned the right to have SOMEone really listen to you for a change. I hope today gets a little better for you anyway.
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Post by elkclan2 on Aug 10, 2019 4:07:06 GMT -5
<quote>I was raised the same way, but with my dad. Everyone had to tiptoe around to make sure he didn't get upset and then pacify him when he did. So I ended up being that way with my refuser.</quote>
Me, too - though it was my mother. Unless my dad was drunk.... yikes.
I'm a pacifier and if that doesn't work - avoider.
I find it really, really, really hard to speak up about my needs until it becomes a crisis.
Please go get some therapy - think of it as coaching to help you live the life you want to live. Helping you practice and learn.
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Post by elynne on Aug 18, 2019 22:19:57 GMT -5
Much of the time I feel like my life falls into the "my marriage is pretty good but we don't have sex" category. Passionate, no, but certainly good enough that I should be grateful for it. Mostly, I am. But....we are going through a huge transition from a cold/snowy upper Midwest life to a moderate climate location 1700 miles to the SW of that. In order to make that happen, I accepted a position at another University that pays horribly! We made the decision together, everything seemed fine but now that our savings is going down and not up, we haven't sold our home yet, have to build one here......I'm being a bad husband. She is SOOO stressed and pissed off and angry. All to be understood except it's at least partially being aimed at me.
So, just like with our ended sex life, I'm trying to solve it. Solving the practical issues seems normal (sell the house, find land, move stuff, map out money, etc.) but I worry too much about her mood. I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood, and now that I'm in my 50's I see the problem clearly but seeing it doesn't make it go away. Why can't I relax when her mood is bad? Why do I wind myself around other people's feelings? It's exhausting and I can't make it stop. So, I tend to overcommit to try and improve her mood. So, messed up and I'm exhausted.
You answered your own question in your thread. “I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood.” When you were a child growing up within a family with dysfunctional dynamics, being worried about your mother’s mood was a survival mechanism. You didn’t have the power to change the dynamics or put a stop to the behavior so you did the next best thing, protect yourself and adapt. At this point in your life, your adaptations to dysfunctional dynamics don’t serve you well at all. Just my two cents, there is a ‘new’ type of therapy. I should qualify ‘new’. It’s about a decade old, but was developed after I finished my degrees in psychology. It’s called EMDR (Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing). Unlike traditional psychotherapy, it’s effective within a few sessions, not a few years. As with all therapy it is important to find a good therapist. I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t experienced it myself. The best way I can describe it, after a session focusing on a particular traumatic memory, the memory is still vivid. I can recall every detail of the event. But the emotional valence that used to be attached to the memory is gone. The hurt, the shame is just.... gone. And because that painful memory has been “healed” if something happens now that reminds me of that event I’m no longer triggered to react like I did then. Instead I can react with adult reason and logic. If the parallels in my long-winded story weren’t clear... your wife is acting in ways that trigger painful memories from your childhood. You see it, you recognize it, but you are helpless to change the pattern until you heal the underlying trigger. In EMDR they call these triggers capsules. I don’t know how accurate the explanation of how the therapy works is, but I can vouch for the effectiveness of the approach. Life changing. But be forewarned. If you heal your past and change your half of the dynamic in your marriage, your dysfunctions won’t fit together anymore. She’ll also have to grow or things will implode. Here’s a link to some info about EMDR: www.mindfulpsychotherapyllc.com/emdr/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 17:00:51 GMT -5
Much of the time I feel like my life falls into the "my marriage is pretty good but we don't have sex" category. Passionate, no, but certainly good enough that I should be grateful for it. Mostly, I am. But....we are going through a huge transition from a cold/snowy upper Midwest life to a moderate climate location 1700 miles to the SW of that. In order to make that happen, I accepted a position at another University that pays horribly! We made the decision together, everything seemed fine but now that our savings is going down and not up, we haven't sold our home yet, have to build one here......I'm being a bad husband. She is SOOO stressed and pissed off and angry. All to be understood except it's at least partially being aimed at me.
So, just like with our ended sex life, I'm trying to solve it. Solving the practical issues seems normal (sell the house, find land, move stuff, map out money, etc.) but I worry too much about her mood. I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood, and now that I'm in my 50's I see the problem clearly but seeing it doesn't make it go away. Why can't I relax when her mood is bad? Why do I wind myself around other people's feelings? It's exhausting and I can't make it stop. So, I tend to overcommit to try and improve her mood. So, messed up and I'm exhausted.
You answered your own question in your thread. “I was raised that way, to worry about Mom's mood.” When you were a child growing up within a family with dysfunctional dynamics, being worried about your mother’s mood was a survival mechanism. You didn’t have the power to change the dynamics or put a stop to the behavior so you did the next best thing, protect yourself and adapt. At this point in your life, your adaptations to dysfunctional dynamics don’t serve you well at all. Just my two cents, there is a ‘new’ type of therapy. I should qualify ‘new’. It’s about a decade old, but was developed after I finished my degrees in psychology. It’s called EMDR (Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing). Unlike traditional psychotherapy, it’s effective within a few sessions, not a few years. As with all therapy it is important to find a good therapist. I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t experienced it myself. The best way I can describe it, after a session focusing on a particular traumatic memory, the memory is still vivid. I can recall every detail of the event. But the emotional valence that used to be attached to the memory is gone. The hurt, the shame is just.... gone. And because that painful memory has been “healed” if something happens now that reminds me of that event I’m no longer triggered to react like I did then. Instead I can react with adult reason and logic. If the parallels in my long-winded story weren’t clear... your wife is acting in ways that trigger painful memories from your childhood. You see it, you recognize it, but you are helpless to change the pattern until you heal the underlying trigger. In EMDR they call these triggers capsules. I don’t know how accurate the explanation of how the therapy works is, but I can vouch for the effectiveness of the approach. Life changing. But be forewarned. If you heal your past and change your half of the dynamic in your marriage, your dysfunctions won’t fit together anymore. She’ll also have to grow or things will implode. Here’s a link to some info about EMDR: www.mindfulpsychotherapyllc.com/emdr/Thanks elynne. I'll check it out.
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Post by lessingham on Sept 1, 2019 7:54:14 GMT -5
The greatest line Shakespeare wrote was "Thus could I do it, pat." It is from Hamlet. Hamlet needs to kill the king. He has right and duty in his side, to avenge his father. The whole play builds around Hamket's inability to act. As he stands over the sleeping king, he utters the line....... and fails to act. The whole play is a lot like many of our lives. We know what to do, we know how to do it and every day is our "thus could I do it." And we walk away. We all know, but finding the courage to turn and say "screw you" deserts us
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Post by baza on Sept 2, 2019 0:58:51 GMT -5
Actually, Hamlet does fix up Claudius, in Act V. Unfortunately, Hamlet and Laertes have fixed each other up as well. Gertrude accidently fixes herself up.
Just about everyone ends up dead as maggots in the finish, and Fortinbras waltzes in and takes over.
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