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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 19, 2018 15:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by jamesbonding on Oct 20, 2018 0:40:04 GMT -5
That article is slightly interesting and relevant to the topic of relationships in general, but I don't see how it is relevant to ILIASM deals in particular. Is it particularly relevant to your situation, GC?
It's normal in most societies for people to have several girlfriends or boyfriends before they get married. Why should we be jealous or care about those previous relationships?
I've never tried to pry information out of my partners about their previous partners, but I've generally been curious and willing to listen when the information was volunteered, because it tells me something about my partners. On the other hand, my wife told me about her previous boyfriends in great detail, several times over the course of our marriage. After the first time, it became a bit annoying and uncomfortable to listen to. The reasons were: I don't like to hear things more than once (I've got a pretty good memory for what people say); the stories took hours to tell; my curiosity was long since satisfied; but worse yet, although she didn't compare me to them explicitly, I got the feeling that she was internally making that comparison and perhaps regretted marrying me. But I felt that I had to listen and maintain a polite facade while listening to those stories.
My wife didn't like that I kept old letters from previous girlfriends, and during one of our moves she threw them all out. She had thrown away her letters from previous boyfriends before she married me.
My wife never met my AP face-to-face (thank god!) but they did exchange a couple of emails. My wife's emails were nasty, my AP's were polite and restrained. My wife was furious with my AP, calling her a homewrecker and so on. That was despite me pointing out that I sought out my AP (not vice versa) and if I hadn't connected with my AP, I would have continued to search and would have found someone else. I told my wife to leave my AP alone. If she wanted to blame someone, blame me. Also, the elephant in the living room was that my wife had been refusing sex for seven years. So (I didn't say it, but) my wife and I should have gone to a mirror together to see who was responsible for what happened.
I still have fond memories of my AP and one of my old girlfriends. Apparently my wife has fond memories for at least one of her boyfriends. I don't really care, but I really don't want to hear any more about them. Thankfully, she hasn't mentioned old boyfriends after I asked her to stop, several years ago.
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Post by shamwow on Oct 20, 2018 16:08:03 GMT -5
I keep my photos on Google photos. One of the features it has is "remember the day". The nice part is you can say to ignore photos with a particular person tagged.
Early put of my divorce before I knew about this feature I hated these memory photos. But once I could shove my ex out the memory hole? It was great seeing memories of my kids growing up without being reminded of her.
Technology kicks ass.
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Post by greatcoastal on Oct 20, 2018 18:43:33 GMT -5
That article is slightly interesting and relevant to the topic of relationships in general, but I don't see how it is relevant to ILIASM deals in particular. Is it particularly relevant to your situation, GC? It's normal in most societies for people to have several girlfriends or boyfriends before they get married. Why should we be jealous or care about those previous relationships? There was a time in my marriage when my old girl friend came to my fathers funeral. my now ex wife was not happy about that and let it be known. I also had prom pictures of us together and they were shown to my children. I do find it very relevant with the small sampling of the 5 woman i have dated since my divorce. All of them bring up there past. All of them had a story about a SM. If it wasn't there own it was a man they dated who was going to end his SM. So talking about the past seems unavoidable. How you use it and proceed forward is what's important.
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Post by baza on Oct 20, 2018 20:01:48 GMT -5
I don't think there is a lot of value in trying to repress ones' past (I'm none too sure that it can actually be done to be honest). By the same token, I don't know that there's a lot of value in broadcasting your past to all and sundry either.
But bear in mind that my ILIASM past is now seen at distance - like 9 years distance now - and that distance does help in putting things into perspective....so take that as a disclaimer. For me, that section of my life is no longer raw and immediate.
But my ILIASM deal was a huge part of my life for several decades, and that environment helped shape me (along with other environmental forces at the time). It was a highly significant part of my life for a long while, and has doubtless played a part in the attitudes and views I hold today. And I sure as shit learned a lot out of that period.
And, I bet that Ms enna could give you a pretty accurate depiction of what my ILIASM deal was like - from assorted conversations over the years - and I'd be able to give you a pretty good idea of what her ILIASM deal was like from those same conversations. Our knowledge of our individual ILIASM deals was disclosed in little increments.
I think that had I unloaded the full detail of my ILIASM deal to Ms enna at the jump, then I would imagine she would have run for her fucking life...and I wouldn't have blamed her in the least for so doing.
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Post by tamara68 on Nov 3, 2018 5:41:34 GMT -5
I find it very hard to look at old photos. I see my daughter and grief because I don't see her anymore. And my ex-husband makes me feel sad because of the way he is, causing sadness to everyone around him including himself. All my memories, even of the (relatively) good moments, make me feel sad. Therefore I try not to think too much about the past. But I don't really suppress it either. Sometimes I allow these negative feelings and hope that eventually it will fade.
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Post by greatcoastal on Nov 3, 2018 11:16:43 GMT -5
I find it very hard to look at old photos. I see my daughter and grief because I don't see her anymore. And my ex-husband makes me feel sad because of the way he is, causing sadness to everyone around him including himself. All my memories, even of the (relatively) good moments, make me feel sad. Therefore I try not to think too much about the past. But I don't really suppress it either. Sometimes I allow these negative feelings and hope that eventually it will fade. I can easily relate and agree. Especially now as I learn of more and more manipulative words and actions used against me, directed towards my teens and adult children. I do foresee her being more and more alone, and having to reach the bottom and still blame others. While I hope to move onward and have fulfilling relationships with others and hopefully my kids. One of the best things I can do for myself, when I do see pictures from the past, is to reflect on the fact that I was there to make a difference, to add balance, and to offer an alternative. That alternative will be there in the future as well. It still makes me sad and is difficult to see the good. However, my ex wasn't always bad and all of us together did have happy times. it's good to know I can still give credit where credit is due.
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Post by WindSister on Nov 4, 2018 19:04:05 GMT -5
The last paragraph ... "Before we went to bed that night, Alan said, “Seeing these photos of my past does not take away any of my love for you. Seeing them makes me love you more.” I got it now."
Yup.
I have been all over the place with my husband's exes, but time is on my side with him. As we build our life together year after year, the past gets more and more distant. Pictures no longer bug me. Stories no longer bug me. The present is where it is at... now is all we have. I am here for him now and he's here for me now. The pictures are collecting dust in the closet.
If he was obsessed with the past I might have an issue with it, but he's not at all and that's why I love him. We live and appreciate "the now." I'm even ok with all the functions where his ex wife is present now.... and there are a lot of them.
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